Pandemic Flu Thread:3-11-07 Bird Flu deaths increasing

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: smack Down
Would mind explaining that one. I think it is really easy to tell weather some one died from terrorism or not. Step 1. Look at the body is it blown up if yes see step 2. Add one to count.

Maybe because acts of terrorism might be classified under other categories (wrongly) like 'rebel attacks' or 'guerilla attacks'?

Do you think every single death from terrorism or terrorism-related causes is reported and accurately kept track of?

Your description above makes it readily apparent that you are either extremely naive; or just trolling. I suspect it is some of both.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
We DO have a vaccine for that too, y'know? Many of those folks that died from the flu actually had a vaccine given to them too.

And what is the percentage rate of vaccinated individuals acquiring the virus, either from the vaccination or otherwise? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess far less than 100%. Get the point yet?

I don't get your point.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: smack Down
I don't get your point.

Somehow I'm not surprised.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: smack Down
Would mind explaining that one. I think it is really easy to tell weather some one died from terrorism or not. Step 1. Look at the body is it blown up if yes see step 2. Add one to count.

Maybe because acts of terrorism might be classified under other categories (wrongly) like 'rebel attacks' or 'guerilla attacks'?

Do you think every single death from terrorism or terrorism-related causes is reported and accurately kept track of?

Your description above makes it readily apparent that you are either extremely naive; or just trolling. I suspect it is some of both.

And the person that dies in the grass hut in africa from the flu. Do you think that makes it into the stats.

As for reporting that was done accuretly until Bush stop the reporting because he got caught faking the numbers.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: smack Down
As for reporting that was done accuretly until Bush stop the reporting because he got caught faking the numbers.

Links? Evidence? Facts?

Didn't think so.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Pabster is that coward who will sell his freedom for security. He suffers from irrational fear from which there is only one cure which is the same as no cure for him. He'd have to experience the terror consciously to discover its origin in his past.

Interesting that an 'elite' member can come up with nothing other than personal attacks and insults. No facts, no evidence, no rebuttal.

Perhaps you would need to be the victim of a terrorist attack to appreciate the ever-increasing danger Americans (both here and abroad) face on a daily basis.

The day I start worrying about a terrorist attack is the day the terrorists win. In case you are really really really dense and not just the usual kind, terrorism is called terrorism because the intent is to scare you. They beat you but they haven't gotten to me. Bring um on!

 

[themroc27]

Deaths from terrorism are a drop in the ocean - a minute fraction of a fraction - when compared with the deaths occurring, daily, from simple starvation. Or when compared with the number of women dying, everyday, during childbirth in third world countries. 'Terrorism' as discussed by Bush is a bogey man, manufactured by Rove + Bush, for the purpose of justifying the strategic aquisition of Iraq (Iraq is of course now "owned" by American corporations and business interests, and will continue to be once American military forces leave).

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: smack Down
I don't get your point.

Somehow I'm not surprised.

Unless you were trying to prove that the flu vaccine doesn't cause the flu, you might want to explain why anyone cares if the percent infected after vaccination with the flu is less 100%.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: smack Down
As for reporting that was done accuretly until Bush stop the reporting because he got caught faking the numbers.

Links? Evidence? Facts?

Didn't think so.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1468541,00.html

Conclusion: Your head is up bush's ass.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: smack Down
As for reporting that was done accuretly until Bush stop the reporting because he got caught faking the numbers.

Links? Evidence? Facts?

Didn't think so.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1468541,00.html

Conclusion: Your head is up bush's ass.

Well at least they can converse.

 

[NJDevil]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: NJDevil
You are pretty naive if you think all terrorism in the past 10 years has come close to the flu deaths in the past winter. I believe flu kills 150k in the US a year, and millions worldwide. Terrorism doesn't even come close.

You do realize that deaths from terrorism aren't nearly as easy to categorize and collect statistics on as flu infections and deaths? Well, maybe you don't...

Edit: My numbers about flu deaths are wrong, but you get the idea (or do you?). Terrorism is a threat, yes, but only to those living in major cities, and the threat is often overblown. Look at the most successful terrorist attacks in the modern era, 9/11 = 3k, Madrid = 200, Lebanese Barracks bombing = 250 or so. None of these even come close to the potentional 2 million US dead (not even the 36k a year who die from the flu).

Terrorism is "overblown", is it? I'll keep that post in reference should you (or your fellow citizens) fall victim. I suspect you'd have a slightly different tone.

As usual, it doesn't matter and you don't care because it doesn't affect you.

I guess facts never get in the way of ignorance.

Ignorance often trumps fact; The circle here is a prime example of this.

First of all, "ignorance often trumps fact." Isn't that logically impossible?

link for terrorist attacks/deaths in 04'

These are defined by the Bush administration. You seem to trust them so I figured they'd be a good source for you. As you can see, total deaths from terrorism TRIPLED in 2004, and were still at around 1900 deaths.

This doesn't even come close to the 36k in the US who die from flu. Terrorism is overblown because people think that they are more likely to die from terrorism than other, more dangerous things.

Dying in a car crash is much more realistic. I believe the odds are that you are more likely to get struck by lightning than be killed by terrorism. If you don't live in NYC, DC, or LA, the chances of you getting killed by terrorism are zero. I noticed that you live in Iowa, and the fact that terrorism scares you shows a) they have won over you b)terrorism really is overblown when people who face no threat are scared of it.

I think the daily show did a hilarious bit where Jon Stewart thanked the red staters for teaching New Yorkers about terrorism and homosexuality (which the red staters obviously don't know too much about - hence the hilarity). I live in NYC during the summers, and am in Philadelphia during the year and terrorism just isn't a concern for me. The crazy cab driver that started driving before I could get my other foot in the car? That scared me a little bit more.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: smack Down
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1468541,00.html

Conclusion: Your head is up bush's ass.

ROFLMAO.

You are citing as your source the liberal Guardian -- the ones who tried to buy votes for Kerry in the last presidential election?

Conclusion: Your head is up your arse.

 

[NJDevil]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: smack Down
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1468541,00.html

Conclusion: Your head is up bush's ass.

ROFLMAO.

You are citing as your source the liberal Guardian -- the ones who tried to buy votes for Kerry in the last presidential election?

Conclusion: Your head is up your arse.

So you're disputing that this actually happened? The Guardian just made that up?

I don't think the "liberal media" makes up news ... they're accused of just slanting news.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: NJDevil

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: NJDevil
You are pretty naive if you think all terrorism in the past 10 years has come close to the flu deaths in the past winter. I believe flu kills 150k in the US a year, and millions worldwide. Terrorism doesn't even come close.

You do realize that deaths from terrorism aren't nearly as easy to categorize and collect statistics on as flu infections and deaths? Well, maybe you don't...

Edit: My numbers about flu deaths are wrong, but you get the idea (or do you?). Terrorism is a threat, yes, but only to those living in major cities, and the threat is often overblown. Look at the most successful terrorist attacks in the modern era, 9/11 = 3k, Madrid = 200, Lebanese Barracks bombing = 250 or so. None of these even come close to the potentional 2 million US dead (not even the 36k a year who die from the flu).

Terrorism is "overblown", is it? I'll keep that post in reference should you (or your fellow citizens) fall victim. I suspect you'd have a slightly different tone.

As usual, it doesn't matter and you don't care because it doesn't affect you.

I guess facts never get in the way of ignorance.

Ignorance often trumps fact; The circle here is a prime example of this.

First of all, "ignorance often trumps fact." Isn't that logically impossible?

link for terrorist attacks/deaths in 04'

These are defined by the Bush administration. You seem to trust them so I figured they'd be a good source for you. As you can see, total deaths from terrorism TRIPLED in 2004, and were still at around 1900 deaths.

This doesn't even come close to the 36k in the US who die from flu. Terrorism is overblown because people think that they are more likely to die from terrorism than other, more dangerous things.

Dying in a car crash is much more realistic. I believe the odds are that you are more likely to get struck by lightning than be killed by terrorism. If you don't live in NYC, DC, or LA, the chances of you getting killed by terrorism are zero. I noticed that you live in Iowa, and the fact that terrorism scares you shows a) they have won over you b)terrorism really is overblown when people who face no threat are scared of it.

I think the daily show did a hilarious bit where Jon Stewart thanked the red staters for teaching New Yorkers about terrorism and homosexuality (which the red staters obviously don't know too much about - hence the hilarity). I live in NYC during the summers, and am in Philadelphia during the year and terrorism just isn't a concern for me. The crazy cab driver that started driving before I could get my other foot in the car? That scared me a little bit more.

To be a little sarcastic amid this wash of politcal BS from both sides of the line, I'd like to point out that you are much more likely to kill yourself in the united states than to die from a terrorist act

http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/suifacts.htm


EDIT: Or how about the 438,785 people in the US who have died from AIDS from June of 1981 to June of 2000.....compare that to terrorism deaths...basically what I'm trying to say is that from a healthcare professionals standpoint, we tend to worry about ALOT more things than terrorism in this country.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: NJDevil
So you're disputing that this actually happened? The Guardian just made that up?

Yep, they made it up. The slant, that is.

I don't think the "liberal media" makes up news ... they're accused of just slanting news.

And rightfully so.

Now do you have concrete evidence showing Rice removed these statistics for anything other than what she's stated?

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
EDIT: Or how about the 438,785 people in the US who have died from AIDS from June of 1981 to June of 2000.....compare that to terrorism deaths...basically what I'm trying to say is that from a healthcare professionals standpoint, we tend to worry about ALOT more things than terrorism in this country.

The point I made isn't about numbers. I'm saying that terrorism is a real threat, which it is. And certain people refuse to acknowledge...

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
EDIT: Or how about the 438,785 people in the US who have died from AIDS from June of 1981 to June of 2000.....compare that to terrorism deaths...basically what I'm trying to say is that from a healthcare professionals standpoint, we tend to worry about ALOT more things than terrorism in this country.

The point I made isn't about numbers. I'm saying that terrorism is a real threat, which it is. And certain people refuse to acknowledge...

I have as much chance of dying from terrorism as dying from an infected ass pimple.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
EDIT: Or how about the 438,785 people in the US who have died from AIDS from June of 1981 to June of 2000.....compare that to terrorism deaths...basically what I'm trying to say is that from a healthcare professionals standpoint, we tend to worry about ALOT more things than terrorism in this country.

The point I made isn't about numbers. I'm saying that terrorism is a real threat, which it is. And certain people refuse to acknowledge...

Hey I acknowledge it's a threat, I live just outside of Detroit and I work in the #1 trauma hospital in downtown Detroit and i can tell you we have extensive workups for disasters (I.E. terrorism especially with the super bowl coming in Feb) however as a general rule it's a threat we don't perceive as very large(whether or not thats a naive thing or not). Generally we're more worried about domestic violence/trauma, shooting, stabbing, car accidents and the like more than we are about terrorism, we're definitely prepared for it if it happened but right now the hospital is getting ready for(surprise) flu season and the massive influx of people we'll have with the flu whether we just treat and release them from the ER or they get admitted depending on how bad their condition is. So I hear you about terrorism sure it's a threat and if and when it happens again people will be prepared for it.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Hey I acknowledge it's a threat, I live just outside of Detroit and I work in the #1 trauma hospital in downtown Detroit and i can tell you we have extensive workups for disasters (I.E. terrorism especially with the super bowl coming in Feb) however as a general rule it's a threat we don't perceive as very large(whether or not thats a naive thing or not). Generally we're more worried about domestic violence/trauma, shooting, stabbing, car accidents and the like more than we are about terrorism, we're definitely prepared for it if it happened but right now the hospital is getting ready for(surprise) flu season and the massive influx of people we'll have with the flu whether we just treat and release them from the ER or they get admitted depending on how bad their condition is. So I hear you about terrorism sure it's a threat and if and when it happens again people will be prepared for it.

Am I correct to surmise that your occupation has something to do with your scale? That would be understandable.

And thanks for providing an honest opinion instead of a flame-shoot full of insults and personal attacks like several others here.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Hey I acknowledge it's a threat, I live just outside of Detroit and I work in the #1 trauma hospital in downtown Detroit and i can tell you we have extensive workups for disasters (I.E. terrorism especially with the super bowl coming in Feb) however as a general rule it's a threat we don't perceive as very large(whether or not thats a naive thing or not). Generally we're more worried about domestic violence/trauma, shooting, stabbing, car accidents and the like more than we are about terrorism, we're definitely prepared for it if it happened but right now the hospital is getting ready for(surprise) flu season and the massive influx of people we'll have with the flu whether we just treat and release them from the ER or they get admitted depending on how bad their condition is. So I hear you about terrorism sure it's a threat and if and when it happens again people will be prepared for it.

Am I correct to surmise that your occupation has something to do with your scale? That would be understandable.

And thanks for providing an honest opinion instead of a flame-shoot full of insults and personal attacks like several others here.

First off your welcome and second off you are correct in assuming that my occupation has something to do with my scale, as a healthcare professional we deal with things as they happen, so if a terrorist attack were to happen at the super bowl God forbid our emergency action plan would immediately kick in(since we're approximately 1 mile from where the super bowl will be played) and hundreds of phone calls would be made and we'd be calling in workers from all over to assist...if you want to see where i work to understand what we deal with on a regular basis and why we'd be first in line to receive patients from a terrorist attack on Detroit goto http://www.drhuhc.org/

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
EDIT: Or how about the 438,785 people in the US who have died from AIDS from June of 1981 to June of 2000.....compare that to terrorism deaths...basically what I'm trying to say is that from a healthcare professionals standpoint, we tend to worry about ALOT more things than terrorism in this country.

The point I made isn't about numbers. I'm saying that terrorism is a real threat, which it is. And certain people refuse to acknowledge...

I have as much chance of dying from terrorism as dying from an infected ass pimple.

Please don't say stuff like that. You'll have Pabster screaming for a rearendologist.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Just another stupid SARS. Everyone in the US is going to start to panic and get all worked up about some stupid threat that has a 1% chance of doing any actual damage, if it does anything at all.

And worst of all, fearmongers like Dave here just spread this stuff like crazy.

:thumbsup:


Fear sells, people. Fear manipulates. Fear replaces logic and destroys memories. Fear erases the past.

Does no one else find it odd that the year the 1918 virus is finally re-sequenced is the same year it re-emerges, 87 years later? Isn't that awfully convenient? The truth is there is no threat. Just an opportunity to enslave the people in fear while selling huge amounts of vaccines at high profit margins, primarily with taxpayer money. Count on it. In a few months we will forget about this particular fear, as we will have moved on to another.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Just another stupid SARS. Everyone in the US is going to start to panic and get all worked up about some stupid threat that has a 1% chance of doing any actual damage, if it does anything at all.

And worst of all, fearmongers like Dave here just spread this stuff like crazy.

:thumbsup:


Fear sells, people. Fear manipulates. Fear replaces logic and destroys memories. Fear erases the past.

Does no one else find it odd that the year the 1918 virus is finally re-sequenced is the same year it re-emerges, 87 years later? Isn't that awfully convenient? The truth is there is no threat. Just an opportunity to enslave the people in fear while selling huge amounts of vaccines at high profit margins, primarily with taxpayer money. Count on it. In a few months we will forget about this particular fear, as we will have moved on to another.

Don't get the re-emerges business. The new virus is not the same as the old although both apparently are avian.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Don't get the re-emerges business. The new virus is not the same as the old although both apparently are avian.

I meant that metaphorically. My point was the establishment (in the public's mind) of the connection between this year's possible flu and 1918. Otherwise, this current outbreak and strain of avian flu has actually been ongoing since 1997.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
EDIT: Or how about the 438,785 people in the US who have died from AIDS from June of 1981 to June of 2000.....compare that to terrorism deaths...basically what I'm trying to say is that from a healthcare professionals standpoint, we tend to worry about ALOT more things than terrorism in this country.

The point I made isn't about numbers. I'm saying that terrorism is a real threat, which it is. And certain people refuse to acknowledge...

Well that's not what you started out with.

You got grief because of this:

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
Just another stupid SARS. Everyone in the US is going to start to panic and get all worked up about some stupid threat that has a 1% chance of doing any actual damage, if it does anything at all.

And worst of all, fearmongers like Dave here just spread this stuff like crazy.
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But wait...we missed the memo again...THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!


People die of terrorism but many many more die of flu. That is the "garden variety" type. When (not if) the next pandemic strikes it will kill more than you can possibly grasp.

The relative dangers of each threat is such that people are less likely to be killed by terrorism than flu, yet a hugely disproportionate amount of money is spent on terrorism than more tangible threats.

People who understand the relative risks based on demonstrated facts see those who fret about the terrorists, yet dismiss the mortality statistics of influenza as lacking in analytical skills.