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Appearently the guy is a real snowflake. Happened during a role play where he was to respond to challenges without being stupid. Someone challenged him about KFC and he went off on how the founder used the N word without consequences why does he get so much heat for dumb things.

BTW Cornel Sanders was born in 1890, the 19th fucking century!
 

Cerb

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Can't wait for the usual suspects to clamor how capitalism works just because of things like this.
Artificially tying a fixed cost for health care coverage to hours worked, with the employer on the hook for an individual's insurance...I like having group insurance and all, but it's a severely twisted system, way too distorted for any actual capitalistic behavioral expectations to be met.

All the same, he was an idiot for saying that, even though we know many others were thinking it. What some chains are now doing, to accomplish it, is have their workers work at multiple locations of the same chain. Since franchised chains are separate businesses at each location, it's technically two 20-30 hour jobs at Taco Bell or Wendy's or whichever it is, they still get 40-60 hours of real work done per actual human on site at any given time, but they aren't on the hook for benefits, and have the same net amount of trained employees.
 

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alien42

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Most of my local sports teams have suspended their relationships with PJs, the Falcons, Braves, and United.
 

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Most of my local sports teams have suspended their relationships with PJs, the Falcons, Braves, and United.

Good. Voting with our wallets is the only way to force any sort of decency and accountability any more. Simply expecting decency is a thing of the past.
 

SNC

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I guess he felt real comfortable saying it among the people he was talking with thinking they're all fellow Republicans so it was all good. I mean, Trump's supporters must feel it's OK too seeing as if every time Trump expresses support for our nation's racists his supporters rally to him and cheer him on with cricket chirps.
He is an asshole but you do understand that not all racists are republicans right?
 

[DHT]Osiris

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He is an asshole but you do understand that not all racists are republicans right?
To be fair, all the racist Republicans I've known assumed everyone else is as racist as they are. Or that they aren't racist (those are the types that like to lead with 'I'm not racist, but...'). He probably thought he was in good company.
 

SNC

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To be fair, all the racist Republicans I've known assumed everyone else is as racist as they are. Or that they aren't racist (those are the types that like to lead with 'I'm not racist, but...'). He probably thought he was in good company.
To be fair, all the racist people I have known believe everyone is as racist as they are, R or D. It shocks me when I hear the words some people use as if they are common everyday words. I am however glad when I do hear them, it helps thin the herd.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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To be fair, all the racist people I have known believe everyone is as racist as they are, R or D. It shocks me when I hear the words some people use as if they are common everyday words. I am however glad when I do hear them, it helps thin the herd.
Yeah, I guess I could have clarified, that's not a 'specific to R' thing. I was just speaking in the context of the quoted post.
 
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trenchfoot

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He is an asshole but you do understand that not all racists are republicans right?

Of course I agree, but I had the chance to remind folks that this apparent shithead racist who was the face of Papa John's is another Proud Republican corporatist profit raker who took the opportunity to take a slimy pizza sauced swipe at the ACA so I took it just like I did again just now.
 

SNC

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Of course I agree, but I had the chance to remind folks that this apparent shithead racist who was the face of Papa John's is another Proud Republican corporatist profit raker who took the opportunity to take a slimy pizza sauced swipe at the ACA so I took it just like I did again just now.
Well then, carry on!
 
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Darwin333

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He's a good illustration of how many Americans (and let's face it, predominantly white conservatives) have an extremely narrow definition of racism that conveniently excludes their own behavior.

To many in this group, racism means only the obvious, deliberate trappings of it -- intentionally using racist slurs, declaring yourself a neo-Nazi, burning crosses. They're the sort who make token nods to MLK once a year (but think Black Lives Matter is evil), say "but some of my friends are black!" whenever you call them out on racist actions.

Real cultural acceptance means actual empathy and active consideration, not just lip service. It means adjusting your entire mindset to treat other cultures as equals in every sense of the word. And if you're white, it certainly means eliminating 'accidental' use of racist slurs and respecting the sincerity of NFL player protests.

In the context of how he used it, is it really racist? He said, “Colonel Sanders called blacks n-----s.". I just don't get certain things, like if he would have used "N-word" instead of the actual word he wouldn't be in trouble but they both mean the exact same thing. Regardless, I agree it isn't a good idea to ever say the word but in the context of what he said I just don't see any racist intent.

I'm also curious as to how this got out into the wild, he was on the phone with his PR company FFS.
 
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In the context of how he used it, is it really racist? He said, “Colonel Sanders called blacks n-----s.". I just don't get certain things, like if he would have used "N-word" instead of the actual word he wouldn't be in trouble but they both mean the exact same thing. Regardless, I agree it isn't a good idea to ever say the word but in the context of what he said I just don't see any racist intent.

I'm also curious as to how this got out into the wild, he was on the phone with his PR company FFS.

From what I understand it was him, several board members and some senior HR people. The firm ended the call and canceled the contract for him being beyond their ability to help.
I’m guessing it’s a little more intense than what’s been described
 

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In the context of how he used it, is it really racist? He said, “Colonel Sanders called blacks n-----s.". I just don't get certain things, like if he would have used "N-word" instead of the actual word he wouldn't be in trouble but they both mean the exact same thing. Regardless, I agree it isn't a good idea to ever say the word but in the context of what he said I just don't see any racist intent.

I'm also curious as to how this got out into the wild, he was on the phone with his PR company FFS.
Privilege can come at a high price.
 

Commodus

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In the context of how he used it, is it really racist? He said, “Colonel Sanders called blacks n-----s.". I just don't get certain things, like if he would have used "N-word" instead of the actual word he wouldn't be in trouble but they both mean the exact same thing. Regardless, I agree it isn't a good idea to ever say the word but in the context of what he said I just don't see any racist intent.

I'm also curious as to how this got out into the wild, he was on the phone with his PR company FFS.

It isn't overtly malicious, but at the same time... why did he need to say it at all? Combine that with his opposition to NFL player protests and it's pretty clear he doesn't offer much respect to black people. That supports my point, I'd say. Racism these days only occasionally manifests itself in overtly malicious forms -- now, it tends to bubble up through someone's mindset on various issues. Instead of thinking "maybe I should avoid saying what Colonel Sanders said," he just out-and-out says it; instead of empathizing with NFL players who are drawing attention to a very real problem, he blames them for a financial decline.

Besides, he's a Trump supporter... passive-aggressive racism practically comes with the territory.
 

esquared

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In the context of how he used it, is it really racist? He said, “Colonel Sanders called blacks n-----s.". I just don't get certain things, like if he would have used "N-word" instead of the actual word he wouldn't be in trouble but they both mean the exact same thing. Regardless, I agree it isn't a good idea to ever say the word but in the context of what he said I just don't see any racist intent.

I'm also curious as to how this got out into the wild, he was on the phone with his PR company FFS.
From what I have read it that this happened in May and as soon as he said that, the company dropped Papa John's as a client.
The company was called Laundry Service.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/noahki...-used-n-word-on-conference-call/#467359314cfc

"The call was arranged between Papa John’s executives and marketing agency Laundry Service. It was designed as a role-playing exercise for Schnatter in an effort to prevent future public-relations snafus."
"After learning about the incident, Laundry Service owner Casey Wasserman moved to terminate the company’s contract with Papa John’s. "
 
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From what I have read it that this happened in May and as soon as he said that, the company dropped Papa John's as a client.
The company was called Laundry Service.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/noahki...-used-n-word-on-conference-call/#467359314cfc

"The call was arranged between Papa John’s executives and marketing agency Laundry Service. It was designed as a role-playing exercise for Schnatter in an effort to prevent future public-relations snafus."
"After learning about the incident, Laundry Service owner Casey Wasserman moved to terminate the company’s contract with Papa John’s. "

Thank you. I can only imagine what would happen if I was on a call with @esquared and I challenge him on something by stating “I’m going to challenge you on a subject to help guide your reactions okay?”

esquared “Yup that’s great”

esquared the forums have gone to hell in recent years under your watch

Esquared N*****....!!!!

It’s comical & absurd to think the call would go like that but it appears to have happened like that with Snowflake Papa John.
 

Cerb

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In the context of how he used it, is it really racist? He said, “Colonel Sanders called blacks n-----s.". I just don't get certain things, like if he would have used "N-word" instead of the actual word he wouldn't be in trouble but they both mean the exact same thing. Regardless, I agree it isn't a good idea to ever say the word but in the context of what he said I just don't see any racist intent.
The way he was turned on so quickly, and given that he has a history of saying the wrong things, sometimes very much with the wrong intent, I suspect that the company had been waiting for a good excuse, sort of like Intel kicking out their latest CEO for an in-company affair. With a good enough excuse, they don't have to bring out whatever else has been going on behind the scenes, nor open up any of their internal communications.

The way it was reported did not seem racist, and them saying that it was a problem that he lacked racial awareness is 100% BS (racial awareness is a big problem in society today, and the less of it, the better). But, if it's really only about the dog and pony show that we've seen, he could probably sue the shit out of them for it, given how frivolous all of it was. OTOH, especially given his history, my guess is that both he and those that turned on him know things said or written, and have them recorded, that he probably doesn't want out there. Even if not racist, he has a history of making statements that speak to greed and callousness beyond what should be tolerated for a food company's head honcho, and those are probably much more tame that what goes on in closed meetings and calls.
 
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