Paper refuting global-warming halt is "scientific misconduct" claims Rep. Smith

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When the last arrow from your climate-denying quiver has been vaporized mid-flight by new research refuting the "halt" in global warming, what choice do the deniers have but to claim scientific misconduct when not a shred of credible evidence exists supporting that claim? So Republican Lamar Smith, head of the House Committee on Science, has decided to to "investigate" NOAA and has demanded that NOAA scientists' research-related emails be turned over. That has resulted in rather a large backlash from the scientific community.

My bold prediction: Within the week, we'll start hearing Trump, Carson, and Rubio rallying their know-nothing supporters to "defund NOAA."

A top House lawmaker’s confrontation with government researchers over a groundbreaking climate change study is provoking a national backlash from scientists, who say his campaign represents the most serious threat Congress has posed to scientific freedom.

Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Tex.), chairman of the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology, has subpoenaed scientists at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and demanded that they turn over internal e-mails related to their research. Their findings contradicted earlier work showing that global warming had paused, and Smith, a climate change skeptic, has accused them of altering global temperature data and rushing to publish their research in the June issue of the journal Science.

So far, NOAA officials have resisted Smith’s demands, and the showdown has escalated.

The lawmaker has threatened to subpoena Commerce Secretary Penny Pritzker, while scientists have rallied in solidarity with the researchers.

On Tuesday, seven scientific organizations representing hundreds of thousands of scientists sent an unsparing letter to Smith, warning that his efforts are “establishing a practice of inquests” that will have a chilling effect.

“The repercussions of the committee’s actions could go well beyond climate science, setting a precedent to question other topics such as genetically modified organisms and vaccines that have controversial regulatory and policy implications,” the letter said.

At the center of the feud is a report that appeared in the June 4 online edition of Science, a peer-reviewed journal. The NOAA scientists cited improved, more accurate measurements of global temperatures on land and sea to refute the notion of a warming hiatus, striking at the heart of an argument by climate change skeptics.

Smith has alleged that NOAA researchers used inaccurate data or even manipulated it to promote President Obama’s agenda on climate change. Smith shifted tactics last week, alleging that the research was rushed and citing what he says is information provided by agency whistleblowers showing that some employees at the agency were concerned that it was premature to publish the study.

The researchers may have violated the agency’s scientific integrity standard, Smith suggested.

“Their agenda comes first, and the facts come second if at all,” he said in a speech last week to the Texas Public Policy Foundation in Austin. He denounced the president’s climate agenda as “suspect.”

“The science is clear and overwhelming but not in the way the president says,” Smith said. “NOAA employees altered historical climate data to get politically correct results.”


But a spokeswoman for Science said in an interview that the NOAA scientists’ research was subject to a longer, more intensive review than is customary.

“This paper went through as rigorous a review as it could have received,” said Ginger Pinholster, chief of communications for AAAS, which publishes Science. “Any suggestion that the review was ‘rushed’ is baseless and without merit.”


She said the report, submitted to the journal in December,went through two rounds of peer review by other scientists in the field before it was accepted in May. The number of outside reviewers was larger than usual, and the time from submission to online publication was about 50 percent longer than the journal’s average of 109 days, Pinholster said.

During the review, the research was sent back to NOAA for revision and clarification, she said. And because it was based on such an “intensive” examination of global temperature data, the reviewed was handled by one of the journal’s senior editors, she said, “so it could be more carefully assessed.”

As NOAA scientists examined the data, they discovered that warming trends over the past few decades would be substantially larger than what the earlier data set indicated, recalled Peterson, who retired from NOAA as principal scientist in July.

“Was there a rush to get [the research] out? No,” he said. “Did we want to get this out to advance the science? Of course.”
 

fskimospy

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I wonder where conservatives will be to complain about this.

My guess? Nowhere.

Government attacking a freeloading rancher? Attack on freedom. Government attacking scientists with inconvenient information? Supporting freedom.
 

DrDoug

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It's the typical Republican tactic; if you don't like the message then attack the messenger to distract from it. Bonus points for muddling the situation to the point where most people will tune it out because they get tired of the incessant whining of the Republicans. Facts can't be left to stand up to peer review, nope. They see that as putting our future into the hands of people who aren't being paid to sell it off to the highest bidder.

Trust him, he's being paid to do this to us. I mean for us.
 
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Why would any conservatard be the head of the House Committee on Science? That's an oxymoron if i ever seen one
 

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Time to stop eating meat.

If you truly believe in climate change, you can't eat meat. Unless, of course, you're a hypocrite.

Uno
 

glenn1

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Investigation is dumb but Congress has every right to ask for and receive emails from government employees or funded studies that aren't covered by Executive privilege or some other consideration. While I empathize with the scientists' concerns, having nosy Congressmen in your business is one of the facts of life you know you're signing up for when you accept a government job or grant money.

That being said, dumb investigation is dumb because you could stipulate every single claim this paper makes and still easily make the case that the "solutions" being peddled by the Climate Change crowd are stupid and shouldn't be implemented using multiple metrics from cost/benefit, negative impacts, or just plain common sense.
 

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Time to stop eating meat.

If you truly believe in climate change, you can't eat meat. Unless, of course, you're a hypocrite.

Uno

Or you just take that information from the Vegan council for what it is--hilariously misleading. Honestly--do you trust vegans enough to take your own comment seriously?

No, you certainly don't.

That being said, industrialized meat production is a huge deal. Focusing on reducing overall meat production (Getting the west back to a normal level of meat consumption) and returning meat-based protein back to a luxury item is generally a good idea.

But it's a grand behavior issue, so very difficult to achieve. At least the argument that "cheap meat is necessary to feed the world" is basically bullshit, so not something we need to worry about. (This can be done with GMO's--but another headache to sort through...)

Just need to convince people that they eat way too much meat and combined with the overall shitty quality of far-too-cheap meat, are killing themselves in the process.
 

Greenman

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So they hand over the information the senator want's, and say neener neener. Whats the big deal?
Is there some reason the alarmists don't want the information looked at? If the data is there it should bear any scrutiny, if not it isn't science.
 

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So they hand over the information the senator want's, and say neener neener. Whats the big deal?
Is there some reason the alarmists don't want the information looked at? If the data is there it should bear any scrutiny, if not it isn't science.
I was thinking, pretty much this. Plus, make sure everyone is aware of it to make sure the Senator looks like the buffoon he is.
 

IronWing

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I was thinking, pretty much this. Plus, make sure everyone is aware of it to make sure the Senator looks like the buffoon he is.

It's political theater and a paper-wrenching exercise. It wastes NOAA's time and the taxpayers' dollars. Smith doesn't care if he hits dirt or not the message to NOAA is, "If you publish things I don't like, expect me to waste your time."
 

fskimospy

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It's political theater and a paper-wrenching exercise. It wastes NOAA's time and the taxpayers' dollars. Smith doesn't care if he hits dirt or not the message to NOAA is, "If you publish things I don't like, expect me to waste your time."

My guess is that he wants their emails to gin up some sort of controversy that he hopes will cast the paper's findings in a questionable light. If you look at enough emails from any workspace you'll eventually find something you can throw a fit about. It's a pretty transparent fishing expedition.
 

glenn1

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It's political theater and a paper-wrenching exercise. It wastes NOAA's time and the taxpayers' dollars. Smith doesn't care if he hits dirt or not the message to NOAA is, "If you publish things I don't like, expect me to waste your time."

Oh noes, the government wasting time. The NOAA might need to use the Audit infrastructure they're legally required to have in place to respond to the inquiries Congress is specifically entitled to make.

Again, I'm completely understanding that the scientists may be annoyed or frustrated with this pointless request, but it's part of their fucking job they get paid to do. There is literally nowhere else the scientists could go work where they would be immune from the person paying the bills conducting oversight or questioning their methods or even the value of their work outright.
 
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I imagine he's talking about the sea bucket study. It did a damn good job of eliminating the pause...voila, it's gone! But the only problem now is that the ground temperature record is starting to significantly deviate from the lower troposphere satellite data (RSS/UAH). Hmmm.

 
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when not a shred of credible evidence exists supporting that claim?

There is never any evidence. That is what your ilk always says. Over and over and over. It doesnt even matter how much evidence is presented because you cant see it because you're all too busy saying "there is no evidence" "there is no evidence" "there is no evidence" "there is no evidence" bla bla bla.

There is plenty of evidence. The data is heavily manipulated. This has been beat to death ad nauseum. That's what you're not seeing, because you dont want to see it. And there is no point in talking to you about it. That is how the consensus has been built over the years. Its just a bunch of hysterical screaming from a bunch of people who do not care one bit about what the actual raw data says. Some of it says one thing, some of it says another. But you cant just throw out or fudge out all the raw data that doesnt support a certain assumption. That's not science. It never will be science, no matter what the consensus thinks. And this issue will never go away because of it.
 

Greenman

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I was thinking, pretty much this. Plus, make sure everyone is aware of it to make sure the Senator looks like the buffoon he is.

Precisely. If the guy is just trying to make some political hay he should be exposed as a fool. But the reverse is true as well, if the data is questionable, or the data gathering methods are inconsistent, that needs to be exposed as well.

The fundamental issue with climate change is credibility. Al Gore made it into a dog and pony show for personal profit, that hurt the science, that gave the entire concept the stench of another public fleecing, and instilled distrust in a lot of people.
 

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I imagine he's talking about the sea bucket study. It did a damn good job of eliminating the pause...voila, it's gone! But the only problem now is that the ground temperature record is starting to significantly deviate from the lower troposphere satellite data (RSS/UAH). Hmmm.



I know!
There's problems from using different instruments and a calibrations over the years to measure temperatures.

There's errors from temperature readings around the poles due to how melting ice water and ice change the surrounding temperatures

There's heating changes due to the environment that have to be adjusted or things show up hotter or colder.

They've had to update their data like 6 times!

I understand the data isn't even real data. It's a calculated value to "try and remove" some of the inherent uncertainties!

It amazing anyone trusts that data.




OOPS! The above was for the satellite lower troposphere data and not the ground temperature stations. My bad. Sorry

https://www.skepticalscience.com/satellite-measurements-warming-troposphere-advanced.htm

Luckily both the satellite and ground stations records are published with the calibrations and uncertainties so those who understand the science can use them appropriately.
 
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Precisely. If the guy is just trying to make some political hay he should be exposed as a fool. But the reverse is true as well, if the data is questionable, or the data gathering methods are inconsistent, that needs to be exposed as well.

The fundamental issue with climate change is credibility. Al Gore made it into a dog and pony show for personal profit, that hurt the science, that gave the entire concept the stench of another public fleecing, and instilled distrust in a lot of people.

As eskimospy said this is a fisihing expedition.

With enough e-mails he'll find someone who says something like, "I tweaked the data because it was showing a lower temperature than predicted" followed by a large amount of technical jargon why that was the correct calibration to make.

Lamar with then go, "AH HA! There was TWEAKING!!!!1111 I found TWEAKING!!!!!!! I knew my gut was right all along."

Then the folks, like those in this thread, will lap it up.

BTW this is why I can't vote for most conservatives. Leaders should be making decisions with the best knowledge of reality as one of the inputs to making decisions. "Leaders" like Rep Smith want to bury any inconvenient knowledge. I can't respect, or vote for someone like that.
 
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