parallels between nazi hatred of jews and progressives hatred of the %1? (WSJ letter)

[brycejones]

Still upset that you got tea bagged by the Tea Party?

So you admit the Tea Party is full of tea baggers? Is that the real Tea Party you keep yelling us at about?

 

[Thebobo]

He reminds me of a skipping record.

Purple haze all in my brain
Lately things just don't seem the same
Actin' funny, but I don't know why
Excuse me while I kiss the sky

Excuse me while I kiss the sky

Your not allowed to quote Jimi!

 

[hal2kilo]

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No fair! I know I loled first.

 

[thraashman]

You honestly can't be this stupid. Screw You. You're full of shit and a pathetic excuse of a human being. Still upset that you got tea bagged by the Tea Party?

I find it fascinating interacting with one such as you. It's like dealing with a new species of devolved human. Did your mother drink heavily in the first trimester? I'm honestly curious and not just insulting you. I can't figure out how one such as yourself exists. The level of anger and vitriol coupled with the extreme low intelligence and a complete inability to accept when you've been proven wrong (you know that thing that happens pretty much every time you post). And this repeater game you've been doing lately, what's up with that? Did you mentally regress to the 4th grade somehow?

 

[MrPickins]

There are more leftist scum who want to kill the rich you retard. And how do I and Anarchist420 represent all Conservatives? Are you really this stupid. You and your ilk always complain about judging an entire group on the actions of a few yet you're doing it.

Also show me the quote where I said to eliminate all regulations and 99% of the government, You can't because you're full of shit.


That would never happen since personally I prefer debates and those two are cowards who would run away.


ROFL! I have been attacked many times by leftist scum and they were never a problem, the same is true for you and bshole.

In case you weren't aware, calling your opponent "leftist scum" isn't really how you act in a debate... :whiste:

 

[BUnit1701]

No one is saying that we are already there, but the demonization is starting, how long until there is an Occupy rally in front of each of their houses? How long until that Occupy rally turns into a riot and we start having rich peoples heads on sticks?

 

[Newell Steamer]

Wait - so, when this is all over, will the 99% pretend they never persecuted the rich? Or, shrug their shoulders and say they were just following Obama's orders?

 

[Hugo Drax]

The Parallels would be more accurate if he compared the hatred today to the same one in occuring in Tsarist Russia against the nobles, during 1914-1918 and culminated in 1917 with the Russian revolution and the end to the monarchy.

Lots of Bloodshed and the army refusing to support the Nicholas II. The end being the entire Romanov family bayoneted and shot to death in a dank basement and then dumped into a pit like a bunch of old Atari 2600 ET Cartridges.

Too many people forget history.

 

[MagickMan]

All the anger with the 1%, you're doing it wrong. The billionaires and the feds are in cahoots and have been for a very long time. Your run-of-the-mill wealthy people and small business owners, they're no more responsible for the country's issues as any of you.

 

[TheVrolok]

... holy fuck people are stupid.

 

[brianmanahan]

All the anger with the 1%, you're doing it wrong. The billionaires and the feds are in cahoots and have been for a very long time. Your run-of-the-mill wealthy people and small business owners, they're no more responsible for the country's issues as any of you.

yes, that is concerning. anger seems to be directed at anyone making over 100$k (which is pretty much all of ATOT), instead of at the multi bazillionaires who may (or may not) call the shots

 

[mect]

No one is saying that we are already there, but the demonization is starting, how long until there is an Occupy rally in front of each of their houses? How long until that Occupy rally turns into a riot and we start having rich peoples heads on sticks?

This is still completely different. You are talking anger of the general public for being exploited by the wealthy. The issues with Nazi Germany came about as a result of government propaganda demonizing an underprivileged class of people. Until the wealthy become an underprivileged class, this comparison will never be valid.

If we started having riots, the rioters would be prosecuted and imprisoned. Why? Because the wealthy are the privileged class. Your example would be more akin to if the Jews started rioting and put Hitlers head on a stick.

 

[Zaap]

The issues with Nazi Germany came about as a result of government propaganda demonizing an underprivileged class of people.

Where did this bit of history revison come about? Jews were not an "underprivledged class" in Europe. They were demonized then (and still are) for being bankers, lawyers, doctors, jewel and diamond merchants, furiers, etc etc and for various conspiracy theories that believed (and I might add still do) in various Zionist takeovers at the highest levels of world power. People blamed their problems on Jews precisely because they were as a group.highly successful.

It amazes me, people think Jews were mainly living in filthy ghettos wearing rags and hiding in attics before the rise of anti-semitism put them in those conditions.

 

[Vic]

Where did this bit of history revison come about? Jews were not an "underprivledged class" in Europe. They were demonized then (and still are) for being bankers, lawyers, doctors, jewel and diamond merchants, furiers, etc etc and for various conspiracy theories that believed (and I might add still do) in various Zionist takeovers at the highest levels of world power. People blamed their problems on Jews precisely because they were as a group.highly successful.

It amazes me, people think Jews were mainly living in filthy ghettos wearing rags and hiding in attics before the rise of anti-semitism put them in those conditions.

Oh it's true, they weren't an underprivileged class per se in 1933.. but they definitely were by 1938.

 

[mect]

Where did this bit of history revison come about? Jews were not an "underprivledged class" in Europe. They were demonized then (and still are) for being bankers, lawyers, doctors, jewel and diamond merchants, furiers, etc etc and for various conspiracy theories that believed (and I might add still do) in various Zionist takeovers at the highest levels of world power. People blamed their problems on Jews precisely because they were as a group.highly successful.

It amazes me, people think Jews were mainly living in filthy ghettos wearing rags and hiding in attics before the rise of anti-semitism put them in those conditions.

Hint: Privilege is not merely a factor of money. Did the Jews also control the political system of Germany? Did they enjoy special rights? Could they buy legislation? Please elaborate how their wealth translated to them being a privileged (or even equal) class.

 

[MagickMan]

Where did this bit of history revison come about? Jews were not an "underprivledged class" in Europe. They were demonized then (and still are) for being bankers, lawyers, doctors, jewel and diamond merchants, furiers, etc etc and for various conspiracy theories that believed (and I might add still do) in various Zionist takeovers at the highest levels of world power. People blamed their problems on Jews precisely because they were as a group.highly successful.

It amazes me, people think Jews were mainly living in filthy ghettos wearing rags and hiding in attics before the rise of anti-semitism put them in those conditions.

The persecution stopped when all their possessions and wealth was stripped from them. Oh wait...

When you work to villainize an entire class, race, or ethnicity of people you end up creating more oppression and injustice than was there to begin with.

 

[Zaap]

Hint: Privilege is not merely a factor of money. Did the Jews also control the political system of Germany? Did they enjoy special rights? Could they buy legislation? Please elaborate how their wealth translated to them being a privileged (or even equal) class.

That's a pretty amazing self-answering question. How does wealth translate into not being "underprivileged"? Gee. Maybe because... wealth is its own privlidge?

In order to make your fallacy work, you're attempting to redifine "underprivileged" as not having special even illegal privlidge in government over everyone else. Pretty spectacular upgrade to the term.

But actually in doing so, you're inadvertently revealing why the comparison has some valid points. Is everyone labeled "rich" -and therefore responsible for all that ails" able to buy legislation? Do they all enjoy "special rights"? How does their wealth translate to them being a privilieged class?

Now, you might *believe* that every person you call rich can buy legislation and has special rights that you don't, but you'd be using just as simplistic thinking as anyone who thought/thinks Jews are involved in a global Zionist conspiracy to take over world finance and governments. (By the way, as I said, exactly what Jews were accused of before during and since Nazi Germany.)

 

[fskimospy]

By the way, in case this hasn't already been posted it appears that this guy:

1.) Killed a guy in France by running him over with his yacht.

2.) Is the author of a truly amazingly horrible romance novel where the main character is a zillionaire playboy with movie star looks who takes part in a game show where hordes of hot women compete for his love.

This keeps getting better and better.

 

[Victorian Gray]

No one is saying that we are already there, but the demonization is starting, how long until there is an Occupy rally in front of each of their houses? How long until that Occupy rally turns into a riot and we start having rich peoples heads on sticks?

That will be happening just about the time that they discover that the moon really is made of green cheese.

 

[rommelrommel]

Poe's law. Conservatives are so batshit crazy, i could create another forum name and start pretending to be a conservative and post insane rightwing bullshit and nobody would be able to tell if it was a troll or an actual conservative.

Stop giving conservatives credit.

Far left liberals are the same.

Where did this bit of history revison come about? Jews were not an "underprivledged class" in Europe. They were demonized then (and still are) for being bankers, lawyers, doctors, jewel and diamond merchants, furiers, etc etc and for various conspiracy theories that believed (and I might add still do) in various Zionist takeovers at the highest levels of world power. People blamed their problems on Jews precisely because they were as a group.highly successful.

It amazes me, people think Jews were mainly living in filthy ghettos wearing rags and hiding in attics before the rise of anti-semitism put them in those conditions.

All or most of the 10+ million Jews in Europe were wealthy successful professionals?

 

[mect]

That's a pretty amazing self-answering question. How does wealth translate into not being "underprivileged"? Gee. Maybe because... wealth is its own privlidge?

In order to make your fallacy work, you're attempting to redifine "underprivileged" as not having special even illegal privlidge in government over everyone else. Pretty spectacular upgrade to the term.

Well, if you want to believe that wealthy christian Iranians would constitute a privileged class, be my guest.

But actually in doing so, you're inadvertently revealing why the comparison has some valid points. Is everyone labeled "rich" -and therefore responsible for all that ails" able to buy legislation? Do they all enjoy "special rights"? How does their wealth translate to them being a privilieged class?

Now, you might *believe* that every person you call rich can buy legislation and has special rights that you don't, but you'd be using just as simplistic thinking as anyone who thought/thinks Jews are involved in a global Zionist conspiracy to take over world finance and governments. (By the way, as I said, exactly what Jews were accused of before during and since Nazi Germany.)

Nowhere did I state nor do I believe that every wealthy person can buy legislation. The reason we develop this concept we refer to as classes is to create generalizations about a specific group. Are these generalizations 100% accurate for every individual that ends up in that category? Of course not. However, it is a pretty accurate characterization that the extremely wealthy in this country enjoy significant privilege above and beyond just the enjoyment of their wealth. If you think that I carry the same political sway as the average person represented in this class, then you are delusional.

Lets just be honest here. There is a much greater danger in this country right now of the middle class being driven into poverty by the wealthy than there is of the wealthy suddenly having their rights removed and being collected into prison camps. This article is simply attempting to turn the aggressors into the victims.

 

[Zaap]

All or most of the 10+ million Jews in Europe were wealthy successful professionals?

This is what boomerang was talking about, about how people take everything so fucking literally that everything has to be explained to them with stick figures.

When is all of any group the exact same person, with the exact same life?

What I'm talking about is the belief system and reasons behind the prejudice in the first place. I even asked the question (hoping it would actually knock a few stray brain cells together in some people's empty skulls): is everyone who we've labeled rich able to buy the government and get special privileges?

People paint with these stupid broad-brush terms which them allows them to demonize whole groups, races without any thought to the fact that individuals are individuals. That's why (as said) it's something of the same mindset. It has nothing to do with everything else being exactly the same- again, that's just the idiot's way of never having to think about anything. "Well there aren't gas ovens and concentration camps so what is all this mentality stuff that anyone is talking about?!! Everything has to be EXACT or I don't have to think about it!"

I can't help it if people don't know the historic reasons that Jews were discriminated against, but yes, in many cases, the reasoning was that they were too successful, had too much power in the financial world, and were part of some Zionist conspiracy. I've also pointed out, these beliefs aren't just from the past, they're still alive and well:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/adl-lar...s-feel-jews-too-powerful-in-business-1.220535

A study conducted by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) among five European countries found rising anti-Semitism, including beliefs that Jews possess too much power in business and finance, the ADL announced Monday.

"A large number of Europeans continue to be infected with anti-Jewish attitudes, holding on to the classical anti-Semitic canards and conspiracy theories that have dogged Jews through the centuries," said the organization in a press release.

The study, which was distributed among 2,714 adults in France, Italy, Germany, Spain, and Poland, found that negative attitudes toward Jews increased, or in some instances did not change, when compared to a similar study conducted in 2005.

So you see, this is neither anything ancient history, nor is it anything new.

Now ask your question again in context of the actual subject: are ALL Jews too powerful in business and finance, or do people just believe that Jews are too powerful in business and finance when then allows their beliefs to apply to the group as a whole?

It's almost like you have to be talking to a bunch of first graders who never learned that being successful and wealthy was one of the things people have had a prejudice against Jews for since forever, basically. But then, every day I'm amazed at how willfully ignorant people are these days.

 

[Zaap]

Well, if you want to believe that wealthy christian Iranians would constitute a privileged class, be my guest.

I know several wealthy Iranians who are indeed very privileged. Beverly Hills is chock full of them, in fact. If you want to believe that they are 'underprivileged' they'd be among the first to laugh at you.

There is a much greater danger in this country right now of the middle class being driven into poverty by the wealthy than there is of the wealthy suddenly having their rights removed and being collected into prison camps.

Once again, a literal interpretation that completely missed the point. The point is: Your belief that 'the rich' are some great 'other' that's out to get you and therefore you're justified in vilifying and blaming for all your problems, is part and parcel of the same *mindset* that average Germans had that allowed them to sit by and do nothing when Jews were being scapegoated and vilified.

Once more, it doesn't make you a Nazi, or desire of or believing in an actual Nazi-like system or outcome. It's just a mindset that has similarities, because we're all human beings, we're all subject to human nature, and although in many people's simplified world every German that looked the other way for what was done in the name of scapegoating Jews was some horrible monster, most were just average, ordinary people (no different than most of us) that had nothing to do with it, other than letting their prejudices be exploited to the point of empowering a crazy out of control government.

A similar mindset was/is exploited by communist movements. In fact, I've pointed it out before- all the stupid 1% vs. 99% bullshit is nothing more than a rehash of the proletariat vs. the bourgeoisie centuries old Marxist bullshit.

 

[Vic]

Why is this still going? Perkins already apologized for his ridiculous gaffe.

 

[hans030390]

I've got nothing against the rich or being rich, nor do I like to generalize about them ("good" and "bad" people exist everywhere), but this sort of disparity in wealth/income inequality across the entire globe is pathetic no matter how you put it. For all we're capable of, we can and should do better than that. Why we do not start discussions from that angle is beyond me. There are no good reasons why so many in the world are left in poverty while somewhere around 0.0000012% of the world's population have half of everything, and trying to reason it away and defend this inequality just makes us seem that much more despicable. Complacency is no better.

Also, Abraxas won the thread. I see Zaap is still spinning his wheels in place.