Pardon Me, What a Mess!!!

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

There once was a time when Pardons only went to people who had made simple mistakes and later had proved themselves as genuinely changed.

Recently we've seen that process sullied by idiots at both the State and Federal level who have openly thumbed their noses at the Courts to release people not even close to worthy, people who had violated the public trust intentionally. In KY, some who had been convicted of murder and/or child abuse were freed.

What do we do about it? What changes need to be made and how can they be accomplished?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

There once was a time when Pardons only went to people who had made simple mistakes and later had proved themselves as genuinely changed.

Recently we've seen that process sullied by idiots at both the State and Federal level who have openly thumbed their noses at the Courts to release people not even close to worthy, people who had violated the public trust intentionally. In KY, some who had been convicted of murder and/or child abuse were freed.

What do we do about it? What changes need to be made and how can they be accomplished?

There also used to be a time where the pardon process also included a review. Recommendations. Hell requests from the parties being pardoned. Trump is ignoring all of that and just doling them out as he sees fit.

Enjoy your bananas.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I mean just out of curiosity, what pardons do most people agree was called for ?

 

[cytg111]

Assange maybe? For helping covering Russias tracks and steal an election?

 

[Artorias]

"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders."

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Since when have pardons only gone to those that made simple mistakes?

 

[JEDIYoda]

There also used to be a time where the pardon process also included a review. Recommendations. Hell requests from the parties being pardoned. Trump is ignoring all of that and just doling them out as he sees fit.

Enjoy your bananas.

Ummm only in a perfect world would you believe what you just posted.....

 

[jameny5]

Restrict or bar impeached individuals from abusing that power. It will put a halt to the nonsense quick, fast and a hurry!

 

[BoomerD]

Restrict or bar impeached individuals from abusing that power. It will put a halt to the nonsense quick, fast and a hurry!

Gonna re-write the US Constitution?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Restrict or bar impeached individuals from abusing that power. It will put a halt to the nonsense quick, fast and a hurry!

hahahhahaaaaaaa......

 

[JEDIYoda]

Gonna re-write the US Constitution?

duh.......what is a Constitution...lol

 

[Jhhnn]

Restrict or bar impeached individuals from abusing that power. It will put a halt to the nonsense quick, fast and a hurry!

Yeh, but he's been, like, totally exonerated, man! Totally!

 

[BoomerD]

duh.......what is a Constitution...lol

just a gawd-damned piece of paper, according to GWB. (allegedly)

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Restrict or bar impeached individuals from abusing that power. It will put a halt to the nonsense quick, fast and a hurry!

You mean bar people that are acquitted of all charges? Sounds fair....................if you're a Democrat.

 

[Meghan54]

You mean bar people that are acquitted of all charges? Sounds fair....................if you're a Democrat.

Ahhh, one of our rezident tapeworms makes an appearance.

As an aside, Trump will always be impeached, so there's that.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Ahhh, one of our rezident tapeworms makes an appearance.

As an aside, Trump will always be impeached, so there's that.

True, and he'll always be acquitted of all the charges. What the other poster was talking about is to punish someone that had been acquitted of the crimes they were accused of, found not guilty, but punish them anyways cuz, cuz, wah wah wah.

 

[woolfe9998]

What do we do about it? What changes need to be made and how can they be accomplished?

Vote against people like Matt Bevin and Donald Trump?

That, or you have to amend the US and various state constitutions. Those documents weren't written with people like Bevin and Trump in mind.

 

[WelshBloke]

Presidential pardons are just a weird concept anyway the way you guys do them.

 

[Ottonomous]

Why is the justice dept. executive and not judiciary? That is an open invitation for the chief executive. Democratic/Republican/Wall St./Gary Johnson shouldn't have that tyannical level of control over the judicial process

 

[Ottonomous]

Didn't the founding fathers originally intend for the constitution to be rewritten every 2-3 decades to account for societal change? Because at this point its nothing but a political YuGiOh trap card that's negated on the spot

 

[jameny5]

Yeh, but he's been, like, totally exonerated, man! Totally!

Really he was exonerated? Who exonerated him? You or The Oompa Loompa's of Willy Wonka land?

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Gonna re-write the US Constitution?

Well, that's an interesting question, touching upon the nature of impeachment as nexus between a judicial decision with a Senate-jury and a political decision. There is a moral order and a legal order, and the Law only covers aspects of morality commonly deemed and legislated as an imperative to preserve civilization and protect the rights and well-being of the many. So we can argue back and forth whether a woman's right to abortion is detrimental to civilization, given that the decision is a matter of managing her own body.

The President -- our so-called minority-elected Russian-advocated president -- is not just a mere citizen. I've said before that various government employees don't have all the rights you would attribute to any unspecific citizen. The president is an Instrument. He is a Thing as well as a person.

So I could argue as a matter of common sense and national security, the rights of someone like George Zimmerman or O.J. Simpson are either less applicable or more loosely applicable, and the arguments of Trump's defense counsel before congress are over the wall in their absurdity. Yet, this is how Trumpies see the Truth. If the Senate acquits -- he must therefore be "innocent" -- pure as the driven snow.

If it takes a constitutional amendment to provide a more precise limit on the citizen rights and powers of the presidency, so be it. But it didn't take an act of congress to restrict CIA careerists in their quest for publishing their novels and memoirs -- subject to a review by peers before the manuscripts were submitted to printing houses . . . .

It would seem that the right to exercise various presidential powers under the Constitution could be limited by statute -- as other examples of this quandary actually demonstrate.

 

[hal2kilo]

Well, that's an interesting question, touching upon the nature of impeachment as nexus between a judicial decision with a Senate-jury and a political decision. There is a moral order and a legal order, and the Law only covers aspects of morality commonly deemed and legislated as an imperative to preserve civilization and protect the rights and well-being of the many. So we can argue back and forth whether a woman's right to abortion is detrimental to civilization, given that the decision is a matter of managing her own body.

The President -- our so-called minority-elected Russian-advocated president -- is not just a mere citizen. I've said before that various government employees don't have all the rights you would attribute to any unspecific citizen. The president is an Instrument. He is a Thing as well as a person.

So I could argue as a matter of common sense and national security, the rights of someone like George Zimmerman or O.J. Simpson are either less applicable or more loosely applicable, and the arguments of Trump's defense counsel before congress are over the wall in their absurdity. Yet, this is how Trumpies see the Truth. If the Senate acquits -- he must therefore be "innocent" -- pure as the driven snow.

If it takes a constitutional amendment to provide a more precise limit on the citizen rights and powers of the presidency, so be it. But it didn't take an act of congress to restrict CIA careerists in their quest for publishing their novels and memoirs -- subject to a review by peers before the manuscripts were submitted to printing houses . . . .

It would seem that the right to exercise various presidential powers under the Constitution could be limited by statute -- as other examples of this quandary actually demonstrate.

One thing is obvious, if we ever get back to normal i.e. the majority of the people, congress, actually working for the greater good, there needs to be some serious legislation that keeps the DOJ from becoming a political punisher and acquitter. I never realized that there are precious few laws and nothing in the constitution that protects us from the likes of Trump in this regard. Just extremely worried, that the genie is out of the botte, and it's too late.

 

[SP33Demon]

There also used to be a time where the pardon process also included a review. Recommendations. Hell requests from the parties being pardoned. Trump is ignoring all of that and just doling them out as he sees fit.

Enjoy your bananas.

Except Trump has only pardoned 26 people in 3 years.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1230144921153105922

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Except Trump has only pardoned 26 people in 3 years.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1230144921153105922

Now show us how many each had done by this point in their term and how many of those were done without going through the normal process of review and recommendation.

For bonus points show us how many of them were personally connected directly to each President, associates and their campaigns.

I'll start you off.

Obama. 22