Parents have to be blind to what some kids are doing.

[ITJunkie]

Originally posted by: dainthomas
My head assploded halfway through that post.

Seriously...WTF?!!?

Reading the OP is like an ADD nightmare.

 

[ForumMaster]

*head explodes* is that post supposed to make sense?

 

[djheater]

I have three daughters under 9. We don't have commercial television and all media is supervised and limited. (I'm not a nazi, or authoritarian in any way about it. It's just the choice our family has made). I send my children to a private school with the same apprehensive attitude toward popular media, and portable electronics. The school (A Waldorf school) has an enlightened, universalist world view, and stresses personal responsibility. Children are not allowed to use any presonal electronics, wear branded clothing (from Dora to Gap), dye their hair, wear makeup, or any clothing that reveals their stomachs.

I pay out the wazoo for it, and it's worth every penny and more. I expect that my children, my girls, will be sexually active as teenagers. I was. I can only hope they will be careful and responsible about it.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: djheater
I pay out the wazoo for it, and it's worth every penny and more. I expect that my children, my girls, will be sexually active as teenagers. I was. I can only hope they will be careful and responsible about it.

So why push such a strong stance of morals on them if you don't even have enough faith in them to adhere to it? Save yourself a buck and just be a good moral example for them and let them go to public school not Hogsworth or whatever it was called .

EDIT: Changed 'faux' school name .

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: djheater
I pay out the wazoo for it, and it's worth every penny and more. I expect that my children, my girls, will be sexually active as teenagers. I was. I can only hope they will be careful and responsible about it.

So why push such a strong stance of morals on them if you don't even have enough faith in them to adhere to it? Save yourself a buck and just be a good moral example for them and let them go to public school not Hogsworth or whatever it was called .

EDIT: Changed 'faux' school name .

Duh, because repressed, uptight, plaid-skirt-and-blouse wearing private school girls are way more fun to corrupt, as they turn into total freaks in the sack. Some lucky guy's going to have the time of his life.

- M4H

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: djheater
I pay out the wazoo for it, and it's worth every penny and more. I expect that my children, my girls, will be sexually active as teenagers. I was. I can only hope they will be careful and responsible about it.

So why push such a strong stance of morals on them if you don't even have enough faith in them to adhere to it? Save yourself a buck and just be a good moral example for them and let them go to public school not Hogsworth or whatever it was called .

EDIT: Changed 'faux' school name .

Ha, you're preconceptions are showing.
I don't find teenage sexual activity to be immoral.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: djheater
Ha, you're preconceptions are showing.
I don't find teenage sexual activity to be immoral.

*looks down* No they're not! :Q

Actually, if you look at what you wrote, you come off as a sheltering parent trying to keep them away from the evils and vices of the world at their young and fragile age. Yet you don't care if they indulge in them when they're a bit older? Why even spend the money worrying about them watching Spongebob or talking on a cell phone if you don't care about dawning the name "gran-pappy."

*Sigh* I think you should adjust your outlook on life if that's the way you look at things.

 

[Stuxnet]

Wow... you suck at quoting conversation.

 

[djheater]

Let me clarify.

I perceive the girls in the OP to be products of public school and it's unsupervised social groupings,middle class parental inattention, and media example.

My intention in raising my children is to raise good people. Self-confident, responsible, compassionate beings. It is not about ingraining a moral compass, it's about given them the tools to discover and adhere to the perception of right they discover in themselves.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: djheater
Ha, you're preconceptions are showing.
I don't find teenage sexual activity to be immoral.

*looks down* No they're not! :Q

Actually, if you look at what you wrote, you come off as a sheltering parent trying to keep them away from the evils and vices of the world at their young and fragile age. Yet you don't care if they indulge in them when they're a bit older? Why even spend the money worrying about them watching Spongebob or talking on a cell phone if you don't care about dawning the name "gran-pappy."

*Sigh* I think you should adjust your outlook on life if that's the way you look at things.

there is a major difference between the girls in the OP and a healthy exploration of sexuality during adolescence

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: djheater
Ha, you're preconceptions are showing.
I don't find teenage sexual activity to be immoral.

*looks down* No they're not! :Q

Actually, if you look at what you wrote, you come off as a sheltering parent trying to keep them away from the evils and vices of the world at their young and fragile age. Yet you don't care if they indulge in them when they're a bit older? Why even spend the money worrying about them watching Spongebob or talking on a cell phone if you don't care about dawning the name "gran-pappy."

*Sigh* I think you should adjust your outlook on life if that's the way you look at things.

You have to look at what I wrote, and endeavor to understand it objectively. I don't agree that what I wrote implies those things about me, because they're untrue.

Children are young and fragile. One of the primary purposes of society is to rear children, and society is built by the the children it rears. Do you want those girls in charge?
Again, you've taken a moral position on teen sexuality that I don't share and are viewing the entirety of my post in that context.

Teenagers have sex, and that's OK, as long as they do so responsibly.

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: djheater
Ha, you're preconceptions are showing.
I don't find teenage sexual activity to be immoral.

*looks down* No they're not! :Q

Actually, if you look at what you wrote, you come off as a sheltering parent trying to keep them away from the evils and vices of the world at their young and fragile age. Yet you don't care if they indulge in them when they're a bit older? Why even spend the money worrying about them watching Spongebob or talking on a cell phone if you don't care about dawning the name "gran-pappy."

*Sigh* I think you should adjust your outlook on life if that's the way you look at things.

there is a major difference between the girls in the OP and a healthy exploration of sexuality during adolescence

:thumbsup:

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: djheater
Let me clarify.

I perceive the girls in the OP to be products of public school and it's unsupervised social groupings,middle class parental inattention, and media example.

My intention in raising my children is to raise good people. Self-confident, responsible, compassionate beings. It is not about ingraining a moral compass, it's about given them the tools to discover and adhere to the perception of right they discover in themselves.

My son will be drilling your daughter when she's in high school.

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: djheater
Let me clarify.

I perceive the girls in the OP to be products of public school and it's unsupervised social groupings,middle class parental inattention, and media example.

My intention in raising my children is to raise good people. Self-confident, responsible, compassionate beings. It is not about ingraining a moral compass, it's about given them the tools to discover and adhere to the perception of right they discover in themselves.

My son will be drilling your daughter when she's in high school.

We had the talk about 6 months ago, (she asked because an aunt is pregant) and her reaction was one of amusement and intense disgust... I told her I'd remind her of that when she's about 16 and see how she feels.

As long as he's a cool guy who treats her ok, I'm fine with that.
The point is making sure that SHE knows he needs to be good to her, if he's not she shouldn't be wasting her time.

(and of course contraception!, contraception!, contraception!)

 

[mchammer]

Originally posted by: djheater
Let me clarify.

I perceive the girls in the OP to be products of public school and it's unsupervised social groupings,middle class parental inattention, and media example.

My intention in raising my children is to raise good people. Self-confident, responsible, compassionate beings. It is not about ingraining a moral compass, it's about given them the tools to discover and adhere to the perception of right they discover in themselves.

Sounds to me like you are doing a good job giving them a moral compass. :thumbsup:

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: ohtwell
The parents aren't blind, they just don't have the time to care. Plus, the schools should be teaching their children everything they need to know.

Oh, and if one of the girls gets knocked up and the parents want to blame someone, it'll either be the boy who knocked her up (because it's all his fault)or the media in some way. It couldn't be that their daughter is a tramp and spreads her legs for every Tito in town.


: ) Amanda

/thread

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: mchammer

Originally posted by: djheater
Let me clarify.

I perceive the girls in the OP to be products of public school and it's unsupervised social groupings,middle class parental inattention, and media example.

My intention in raising my children is to raise good people. Self-confident, responsible, compassionate beings. It is not about ingraining a moral compass, it's about given them the tools to discover and adhere to the perception of right they discover in themselves.

Sounds to me like you are doing a good job giving them a moral compass. :thumbsup:

I should have said a particular moral directive, or something. I just meant to express that I'm anti-dogmatic.

 

[mchammer]

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: mchammer

Originally posted by: djheater
Let me clarify.

I perceive the girls in the OP to be products of public school and it's unsupervised social groupings,middle class parental inattention, and media example.

My intention in raising my children is to raise good people. Self-confident, responsible, compassionate beings. It is not about ingraining a moral compass, it's about given them the tools to discover and adhere to the perception of right they discover in themselves.

Sounds to me like you are doing a good job giving them a moral compass. :thumbsup:

I should have said a particular moral directive, or something. I just meant to express that I'm anti-dogmatic.

uhh...

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: djheater
Let me clarify.

I perceive the girls in the OP to be products of public school and it's unsupervised social groupings,middle class parental inattention, and media example.

My intention in raising my children is to raise good people. Self-confident, responsible, compassionate beings. It is not about ingraining a moral compass, it's about given them the tools to discover and adhere to the perception of right they discover in themselves.

My son will be drilling your daughter when she's in high school.

<Bumper Sticker>
Proud Parent of a son who's nailing your honour student daughter at %LOCAL_HIGH_SCHOOL%
</Bumper Sticker>

- M4H

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: jbourne77
Wow... you suck at quoting conversation.

If you're referring to me: don't be a tool, it's called removing nested quotes and you should do it on forums. It's proper forum etiquette.

Originally posted by: djheater
My intention in raising my children is to raise good people. Self-confident, responsible, compassionate beings. It is not about ingraining a moral compass, it's about given them the tools to discover and adhere to the perception of right they discover in themselves.

And you need to treat them like the Amish to accomplish this task? I see it as quite overbearing and way over the top.

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
there is a major difference between the girls in the OP and a healthy exploration of sexuality during adolescence

"Healthy" in this case is purely relative. It isn't "healthy" for society to help fund Mr. Heater's sexually active daughter's children while they're still attending high school. (Note, this isn't actually inferring that they will have that problem, but there's no way that you can argue against the fact that if you're having sex, there's a chance to get pregnant (withholding the concept of vasectomy or having your tubes tied)).

Originally posted by: djheater
Children are young and fragile. One of the primary purposes of society is to rear children, and society is built by the the children it rears. Do you want those girls in charge?

You may just be stating this in a different way and saying the exact same thing that I'm about to say... but it isn't society's job to raise your children... it's YOUR job.

Originally posted by: djheater
Again, you've taken a moral position on teen sexuality that I don't share and are viewing the entirety of my post in that context.

Teenagers have sex, and that's OK, as long as they do so responsibly.

There's a reason why the government has talked about pushing back the driving age... there's a reason why drinking isn't allowed (in the US) until you're 21.

I'm going to go off on a semi-tangent here but it all relates. See, I absolutely hated parties when I was in college. I don't mind people drinking, but from what I saw, probably about 25% of the people did it quite irresponsibly. They get so drunk that other people have to watch over them like a mother for fear of them being too sick because of their own irresponsibilities. I abhorred this kind of behavior. I've drank before in my life, but I have never... ever been that bad off that I make someone else become responsible for me because I was too irresponsible to watch myself. If you really wanted to tie it in with sex, you could tie in drunken hook-ups as another level of irresponsibility on top (literally ) of that.

In short, are your children really responsible enough as teenagers to take on such a thing? No matter how you look at it, sex has a purpose and that's procreation. Which is why you should teach your daughters about ear sex*... it's the safest thing to do!

*Note: I hope you get the reference .

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: djheater
I have three daughters under 9. We don't have commercial television and all media is supervised and limited. (I'm not a nazi, or authoritarian in any way about it. It's just the choice our family has made). I send my children to a private school with the same apprehensive attitude toward popular media, and portable electronics. The school (A Waldorf school) has an enlightened, universalist world view, and stresses personal responsibility. Children are not allowed to use any presonal electronics, wear branded clothing (from Dora to Gap), dye their hair, wear makeup, or any clothing that reveals their stomachs.

I pay out the wazoo for it, and it's worth every penny and more. I expect that my children, my girls, will be sexually active as teenagers. I was. I can only hope they will be careful and responsible about it.

Mad props!

I hope to do the same with my kids...if/when it's time to have them.

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: mchammer

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: mchammer

Originally posted by: djheater
Let me clarify.

I perceive the girls in the OP to be products of public school and it's unsupervised social groupings,middle class parental inattention, and media example.

My intention in raising my children is to raise good people. Self-confident, responsible, compassionate beings. It is not about ingraining a moral compass, it's about given them the tools to discover and adhere to the perception of right they discover in themselves.

Sounds to me like you are doing a good job giving them a moral compass. :thumbsup:

I should have said a particular moral directive, or something. I just meant to express that I'm anti-dogmatic.

uhh...

I'm a bit of an iconoclast, or perhaps I mean cynic in the literal sense. I don't believe anything until I've thought it through myself. My wife is self-confident and stubborn as well, the example we set for our children is, "Make up your own minds". We endeavor to give them the tools to do so.

I don't proscribe any particular neat little package of values, and moral judgements. I expect my children to discover spirituality and life as they go, and make decisions for themselves.
I don't brand myself, or them.

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: bleeb
The moral fiber of this society and the forth coming generations are deteriorating at a rapid rate.

<mr. burns>Excellent, Smithers! Exxxxcellent!</mr. burns>

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

<Bumper Sticker>
Proud Parent of a son who's nailing your honour student daughter at %LOCAL_HIGH_SCHOOL%
</Bumper Sticker>

- M4H

:laugh: Sig worthy!

 

[amicold]

They could have just been d!cking with you.

And even so, who cares? a good 50% of teenage girls are dumb as sh!t anyways. This is typical.