Paris is Experiencing Violent Economic Protests, Meanwhile in London some protesters chant "We want Trump!"

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fskimospy

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Why is it relevant that emissions went down if man caused climate change is fake?

This idiot can’t even keep his own lies straight. Aren’t you embarrassed that he clearly thinks you’re extremely stupid?
 
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Starbuck1975

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Does somebody want to tell the OP that the primary reason there are protests is reduced government spending and tax cuts?

These are riots against LESS socialism.
Not exactly. The yellow vests started as rural blue collar laborers protesting against fuel prices in France, and now its spreading in a way that seems to be tapping into underlying economic frustrations across Europe. The general sentiment seems to be that the social welfare safety nets are failing to the benefit of the government aristocracy. The animosity directed towards Paris and Brussels is quite intense.
 

K1052

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Not exactly. The yellow vests started as rural blue collar laborers protesting against fuel prices in France, and now its spreading in a way that seems to be tapping into underlying economic frustrations across Europe. The general sentiment seems to be that the social welfare safety nets are failing to the benefit of the government aristocracy. The animosity directed towards Paris and Brussels is quite intense.

The group isn’t homogenous but the overriding theme I read is anger about business friendly reforms and tax schemes plus reduced outlays to municipalities/programs in France. Anger at the fuel taxes (since rescinded) started the protests but upset at the kind and pace of Macron’s other changes is really propelling this. One thing is certain though, those people sure aren’t in the streets because they want Trump style “conservative” policies.
 

BUTCH1

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Jesus, why does OP continue to create these threads?, does he like the inevitable head-bashing he receives every. single. time.? Go on on to some Faux news forum, that is unless getting kicked in the testicles repeatedly is something you enjoy.
 

96Firebird

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Jesus, why does OP continue to create these threads?, does he like the inevitable head-bashing he receives every. single. time.? Go on on to some Faux news forum, that is unless getting kicked in the testicles repeatedly is something you enjoy.

She's clearly a troll that feeds off getting a rise out of people here, and the idiots here continue to fall for it.

STOP RESPONDING.
 

skooma

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Jesus, why does OP continue to create these threads?, does he like the inevitable head-bashing he receives every. single. time.? Go on on to some Faux news forum, that is unless getting kicked in the testicles repeatedly is something you enjoy.
It sure ain't to educate.
 

Starbuck1975

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The group isn’t homogenous but the overriding theme I read is anger about business friendly reforms and tax schemes plus reduced outlays to municipalities/programs in France. Anger at the fuel taxes (since rescinded) started the protests but upset at the kind and pace of Macron’s other changes is really propelling this. One thing is certain though, those people sure aren’t in the streets because they want Trump style “conservative” policies.
They don’t want Trump style leadership, or American conservatism for that matter, yet I guarantee you that the underlying anxiety is comperable to the soil from which Trump sprouted. The European democratic socialism experiment is starting to unravel, as evident by Brexit and even the fall of Merkel. There is a war being fought, unlike any we’ve seen before.
 

pmv

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Plus the video with the so called "Trump chant" is in London..lol

Missed that story. Would that be Tommy Robinson supporting types?

They don’t want Trump style leadership, or American conservatism for that matter, yet I guarantee you that the underlying anxiety is comperable to the soil from which Trump sprouted. The European democratic socialism experiment is starting to unravel, as evident by Brexit and even the fall of Merkel. There is a war being fought, unlike any we’ve seen before.

Well, maybe, though it's social-democracy or regulated capitalism we're talking about not 'democratic socialism'...and I'm not sure you could call it an 'experiment', given its been the norm at least since 1945, maybe even since Bismark. France is definitely not 'socialist'. And the EU has a belief in capitalism, even neo-liberalism, built into its founding treaties (that's why the UK far left tends to be pro-Brexit)

Socialism already had its crisis, now it's the turn of 'regulated' capitalism.

Absolutely there's a crisis and a lot of anger that seems to be capable of being directed in any number of potential directions. Trump, Brexit, these riots do have some sort of common origin, agreed. But what seems to be in difficulties at the moment is the idea that you can have capitalism but tame it.
 

Starbuck1975

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Well, maybe, though it's social-democracy or regulated capitalism we're talking about not 'democratic socialism'...and I'm not sure you could call it an 'experiment', given its been the norm at least since 1945, maybe even since Bismark. France is definitely not 'socialist'. And the EU has a belief in capitalism, even neo-liberalism, built into its founding treaties (that's why the UK far left tends to be pro-Brexit)
It has many names that do not translate well to American political understandings. I have a high degree of respect for the German model. Good quality of life, strong social safety nets, more equitable distribution of resources, low materialism, efficient highly functional infrastructure and a labor model that works.

Absolutely there's a crisis and a lot of anger that seems to be capable of being directed in any number of potential directions. Trump, Brexit, these riots do have some sort of common origin, agreed. But what seems to be in difficulties at the moment is the idea that you can have capitalism but tame it.
Capitalism inherently causes winners and losers, and will seek the cheapest and most exploitable labor just short of slavery and human rights abuse. This is a problem for unionized working class laborers in developed nations. I could not survive today working the unionized jobs that provided a modest but comfortable quality of life for my grandparents and parents.
 

pmv

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The trouble is that Germany is suffering from the same kind of wage stagnation that affects the US. German workers seem way more tolerant of that than those of many other nations, though.

There does seem to be a distinctive 'all in it together' mentality there, based on co-operation rather than opposition and class conflict. Seems like that's been a feature of the German system for a long time, interrupted extremely severely by the Nazi era of course, but perhaps going back to the 19th century.

And then there's the fact that most of the backlash is in the East, from the area that experienced 'actual socialism'. That seems to be where the biggest support for the neo-Nazis is coming from. Not sure how to interpret that. But Germany isn't immune to the crisis, clearly the far-right is now a major political force there, as if the anti-bodies produced by the previous infection are wearing off.

I just wonder how long the patience of German workers will last if the wage stagnation continues. I guess cultural traits run very deep though. Perhaps they'll make it to come out the other side.

https://slate.com/business/2012/09/...-real-secret-to-their-employment-success.html
 

senseamp

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Now would be a good time for Individual 1 and his syndicate to flee to London, while UK is still welcoming of rich Russian assets, and before they have to surrender their passports as condition of bail.
 

zinfamous

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They don’t want Trump style leadership, or American conservatism for that matter, yet I guarantee you that the underlying anxiety is comperable to the soil from which Trump sprouted. The European democratic socialism experiment is starting to unravel, as evident by Brexit and even the fall of Merkel. There is a war being fought, unlike any we’ve seen before.

You do understand, don't you, that movements like Brexit and all of these other ultra- right wing movements around the world have been explicitly fueled and engineered by Russian Intelligence? It's not even a debate anymore--the evidence is overwhelming that much of the anger and protests and online grief are, essentially, Russian plants.

That isn't to say that people aren't and haven't been angry for such reasons, but the actual numbers and the actual movement to turn things the way they have gone has been proven over and over again to be an organized Russian program. Brexit and the US elections of 2016, specifically. Hell, polling in the UK pretty much shows that Brexit, among people that actually voted for it, is extremely unpopular. "I didn't know what it really meant!" is the most common complaint. This is because a lot of people were targeted victims of the exact type of disinformation campaign that the Putin USSR has been running for decades.

That is literally what happened. No one rationally decides to lop off their foot to cure their athlete's foot, but that is exactly what Brexit means for everyone that was legit angry at the time, and now they understand it.

So no, this isn't a movement of angry people driving right-wing fascist terrorism, it's a targeted campaign by a dedicated foreign antagonist to capture long-standing, never-will-be-resolved grievances and mask them into some major paradigm shift of world order.
 

Jhhnn

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You do understand, don't you, that movements like Brexit and all of these other ultra- right wing movements around the world have been explicitly fueled and engineered by Russian Intelligence? It's not even a debate anymore--the evidence is overwhelming that much of the anger and protests and online grief are, essentially, Russian plants.

That isn't to say that people aren't and haven't been angry for such reasons, but the actual numbers and the actual movement to turn things the way they have gone has been proven over and over again to be an organized Russian program. Brexit and the US elections of 2016, specifically. Hell, polling in the UK pretty much shows that Brexit, among people that actually voted for it, is extremely unpopular. "I didn't know what it really meant!" is the most common complaint. This is because a lot of people were targeted victims of the exact type of disinformation campaign that the Putin USSR has been running for decades.

That is literally what happened. No one rationally decides to lop off their foot to cure their athlete's foot, but that is exactly what Brexit means for everyone that was legit angry at the time, and now they understand it.

So no, this isn't a movement of angry people driving right-wing fascist terrorism, it's a targeted campaign by a dedicated foreign antagonist to capture long-standing, never-will-be-resolved grievances and mask them into some major paradigm shift of world order.

They found plenty of useful idiots among western politicians, too, with Trump leading the pack.
 

K1052

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They don’t want Trump style leadership, or American conservatism for that matter, yet I guarantee you that the underlying anxiety is comperable to the soil from which Trump sprouted. The European democratic socialism experiment is starting to unravel, as evident by Brexit and even the fall of Merkel. There is a war being fought, unlike any we’ve seen before.

Even if the Germans literally all became Nazis (again) what people in the US consider "left" or "socialism" wouldn't be gone, it would probably be intensified. The popularly desired economic solutions really haven't changed all that much in decades. Zinfamous has an excellent point about Russian manipulation seeking to, effectively, turn countries inward against themselves by turning cracks into chasms virturally. I would however argue that Putin has only benefitted modestly from this strategy since (almost) everybody hates/distrusts Russia now and sanctions have done nothing but increase.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
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Zinfamous has an excellent point about Russian manipulation seeking to, effectively, turn countries inward against themselves by turning cracks into chasms virturally.

Our own GOP has been doing that since Gingrich, at least. There's not a one of them who will cross the Great One, El Rushbo.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
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You do understand, don't you, that movements like Brexit and all of these other ultra- right wing movements around the world have been explicitly fueled and engineered by Russian Intelligence? It's not even a debate anymore--the evidence is overwhelming that much of the anger and protests and online grief are, essentially, Russian plants.

That isn't to say that people aren't and haven't been angry for such reasons, but the actual numbers and the actual movement to turn things the way they have gone has been proven over and over again to be an organized Russian program. Brexit and the US elections of 2016, specifically. Hell, polling in the UK pretty much shows that Brexit, among people that actually voted for it, is extremely unpopular. "I didn't know what it really meant!" is the most common complaint. This is because a lot of people were targeted victims of the exact type of disinformation campaign that the Putin USSR has been running for decades.

That is literally what happened. No one rationally decides to lop off their foot to cure their athlete's foot, but that is exactly what Brexit means for everyone that was legit angry at the time, and now they understand it.

So no, this isn't a movement of angry people driving right-wing fascist terrorism, it's a targeted campaign by a dedicated foreign antagonist to capture long-standing, never-will-be-resolved grievances and mask them into some major paradigm shift of world order.
I don’t disagree, but there still needs to be underlying conditions that make the soil fertile for propaganda to take root. There is also a reluctance to hold accountable the technology platforms that are enabling hostile actors to strike so effectively. Some of the recent revelations around Zuckerberg and Sandberg are simply unacceptable.
 

Stokely

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Hard to get too excited about what roughly half of Britain thinks about anything....they've make their own shit bed to lie in with Brexit. Those that voted for it only want Trump because he may actually be less bad than the people who fought for Brexit LOL!
 
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