Paris riots

rpanic

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VILLIERS-LE-BEL, France - Police reinforcements streamed into the tough suburbs north of Paris on Tuesday after a second night of rioting by bands of youths who have burned cars and buildings and ? in an ominous turn ? shot at officers.

A senior police union official warned that "urban guerrillas" had joined the unrest, saying the violence was worse than during three weeks of rioting that raged around French cities in 2005, when firearms were rarely used. More than 80 officers were reported injured overnight.
The suburb of Villiers-le-Bel, where the trouble first erupted, appeared calm in the early hours after sundown Tuesday. But rioting flared in the southern city of Toulouse, where 10 cars and a library went up in flames, police said.
The government was striving to keep violence from spreading in a stern test for new President Nicolas Sarkozy. It showed that anger still smolders in France's poor neighborhoods, where many Arabs, blacks and other minorities live largely isolated from the rest of society.
The trigger was the deaths Sunday of two minority teens when their motorscooter collided with a police car in Villiers-le-Bel, a blue-collar town on Paris' northern edge.
Residents claimed the officers left without helping the teens. Prosecutor Marie-Therese de Givry denied that, saying police stayed on the scene until firefighters arrived.
Rioting and arson erupted Sunday night, with youths attacking a police station. The violence worsened Monday night as it spread from Villiers-le-Bel to other impoverished suburbs north of the French capital. Rioters burned a library, a nursery school and a car dealership and tried to set some buildings on fire by crashing burning cars into them.
More police moved in Tuesday trying to prevent a third night of rioting, as officials sought to keep the upheaval from spreading to other impoverished areas as happened two years ago.
Patrice Ribeiro of the Synergie police union said rioters this time included "genuine urban guerrillas," saying the use of firearms ? hunting shotguns so far ? had added a dangerous dimension.
Police said 82 officers were injured Monday night, 10 of them by buckshot and pellets. Four were seriously wounded, the force said. Police unions said 30 officers were struck by buckshot.
One rioter with a shotgun "was firing off two shots, reloading in a stairwell, coming back out ? boom, boom ? and firing again," said Gilles Wiart, No. 2 official in the SGP-FO police union.
Youths, many of them Arab and black children of immigrants, again appeared to be lashing out at police and other targets seen to represent a French establishment they feel has left them behind.
"I don't think it's an ethnic problem," Wiart said. "Most of all it is youths who reject all state authority. They attack firefighters, everything that represents the state."
Suspicion of the police runs high among people in the drab housing project where the two teenagers died in the crash. The boys were identified in French media only by their first names, Lakhami, 16, and Mouhsin, 15.
There have long been tensions between France's largely white police force and the ethnic minorities trapped in poor neighborhoods.
Despite decades of problems and heavy state investments to improve housing and create jobs, the depressed projects that ring Paris are a world apart from the tourist attractions of the capital. Police speak of no-go zones where they and firefighters fear to patrol.
"The problem of bad relations between the police and minorities is underestimated," said criminologist Sebastian Roche.
Sarkozy, speaking from China, appealed for calm and called a security meeting with his Cabinet ministers for Wednesday on his return home.
Sarkozy was interior minister, in charge of police, during the riots of 2005 and took a hard line against the violence. He angered many in housing projects when he called delinquents there "scum."
The rioting youths "want Sarkozy ? they want him to come and explain" what happened to the two teenage boys, said Linda Beddar, a 40-year-old mother of three in Villiers-le-Bel. Beddar woke Tuesday to find the library across from her house a burned-out shell.
The violence two years ago also started in the suburbs of northern Paris, when two teens were electrocuted in a power substation while hiding from police. The government is keen to keep the new violence from spreading.
"We will not let go. We will fight with all the force the nation is capable of," Prime Minister Francois Fillon told firefighters in Villiers-le-Bel.
Fillon spoke with a firefighter who was shot by rioters and handled the bullet that was extracted from the man's arm.
The prime minister, accompanied by Interior Minister Michele Alliot-Marie, visited Villiers-le-Bel again after nightfall to show support for police.
In Villiers-le-Bel, arsonists set fire to the municipal library and burned books littered its floor Tuesday. Shops and businesses were also attacked, and more than 70 vehicles were torched, authorities said.
Rioters even rammed burning cars into buildings, trying to set the structures on fire, authorities said. Police reported six arrests.
Several hundred youths organized in small groups led the rioting in Villiers-le-Bel, and incidents were also reported in five other towns north of Paris, the regional government reported.
It refused to give specific figures on injuries among the police, rioters or other civilians, or the numbers of cars and buildings set on fire, saying it feared that doing so would encourage youths to try to wound more officers and destroy more property.

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I wonder what Sarkozy is going to do now?
 

GoPackGo

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Three words for the police officers in France:

SHOOT TO KILL

Three more words:

LEAVE NO WITNESSES
 

Nebor

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Sarkozy is going to do what Brown is planning to do: Get rid of the trouble making Muslims. Mass deportations. They've certainly started it off smart, by making it illegal for them to obtain work, and properly enforcing those laws. That helps by corralling them all into ghettos, making them easy to target for deportation. Unfortunately under those circumstances some riots are likely to happy, but the more riots that happen, the more violently they'll be treated, and the more people will cheer their deaths and deportations. The real unfortunate part is they can't just kill them all where they are in the ghettos, since then they'd have a lot of bodies to deal with, plus the international outcry that would be sure to come. So instead they'll just slowly deport them back home, so they can die there.
 

Jaskalas

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Always described as ?youths?.

Will Europe surrender to its immigrant Muslim community? They already let them in and allowed this hatred to fester. I have doubts they?ll do anything but roll over and concede control.

Imagine the outcry if Europe actually killed its assailants. Therefore, it'll never happen and the Muslim community there has already achieved victory in whatever violent contest ensures in the coming years.
 

CanOWorms

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This is what happens when democracy is only intended for the majority. European democracies are continuously strained under their archaic policies. They need to realize that living like it's the 1940s, 50s, etc. is not advancement. Yet they will still pretend to be some sort of moral superpower when Saudi Arabia may have more claim.
 

Rainsford

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Boy, you guys all read the same article, and every single person ignored the fact that other minorities are involved. THAT was pretty surprising :roll:. But try reading more carefully next time, because it's pretty obvious that the problems in France are NOT caused by some massive Islamisistifascist (or whatever dumbass term is in vogue this week) conspiracy.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Boy, you guys all read the same article, and every single person ignored the fact that other minorities are involved. THAT was pretty surprising :roll:. But try reading more carefully next time, because it's pretty obvious that the problems in France are NOT caused by some massive Islamisistifascist (or whatever dumbass term is in vogue this week) conspiracy.

You must be new to this issue.

"Islamisistifascist" is one of the causes of the riots. Much of the majority believes in that type of conspiracy, and thus attempts to further oppress the minority. These riots are a result of this phenomenon.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: Kadarin
Where's Charles Martel when you need him?

Good men who protect their nation from invasion do not live in the western world anymore. We have become fat, happy, and ripe for the plucking.
 

manowar821

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Boy, you guys all read the same article, and every single person ignored the fact that other minorities are involved. THAT was pretty surprising :roll:. But try reading more carefully next time, because it's pretty obvious that the problems in France are NOT caused by some massive Islamisistifascist (or whatever dumbass term is in vogue this week) conspiracy.

You must be new to this issue.

"Islamisistifascist" is one of the causes of the riots. Much of the majority believes in that type of conspiracy, and thus attempts to further oppress the minority. These riots are a result of this phenomenon.

So, like most issues, it's the white nationalist mans fault. Nobody with a brain believes the islamifascist conspiracy.

I agree!

Besides, the French president is a prick.
 

Rogodin2

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Sometimes the 'establishment' needs to understand that there is a small group of individuals that aren't self-complacent.

Rogo
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Boy, you guys all read the same article, and every single person ignored the fact that other minorities are involved. THAT was pretty surprising :roll:. But try reading more carefully next time, because it's pretty obvious that the problems in France are NOT caused by some massive Islamisistifascist (or whatever dumbass term is in vogue this week) conspiracy.

You must be new to this issue.

"Islamisistifascist" is one of the causes of the riots. Much of the majority believes in that type of conspiracy, and thus attempts to further oppress the minority. These riots are a result of this phenomenon.

So, like most issues, it's the white nationalist mans fault. Nobody with a brain believes the islamifascist conspiracy.

I agree!

Besides, the French president is a prick.

Most issues? No. But Le Pen's influence on mainstream French politics surely led to this situation.
 

manowar821

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Boy, you guys all read the same article, and every single person ignored the fact that other minorities are involved. THAT was pretty surprising :roll:. But try reading more carefully next time, because it's pretty obvious that the problems in France are NOT caused by some massive Islamisistifascist (or whatever dumbass term is in vogue this week) conspiracy.

You must be new to this issue.

"Islamisistifascist" is one of the causes of the riots. Much of the majority believes in that type of conspiracy, and thus attempts to further oppress the minority. These riots are a result of this phenomenon.

So, like most issues, it's the white nationalist mans fault. Nobody with a brain believes the islamifascist conspiracy.

I agree!

Besides, the French president is a prick.

Most issues? No. But Le Pen's influence on mainstream French politics surely led to this situation.

Fair enough.
 

piasabird

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Destroyed from Within.

This is what happen when you have a large welfare state and you cut off the welfare checks.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: piasabird
Destroyed from Within.

This is what happen when you have a large welfare state and you cut off the welfare checks.

Or when you have a racist social policy that Martin Luther King would be quick to recognize.
 

EXman

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: piasabird
Destroyed from Within.

This is what happen when you have a large welfare state and you cut off the welfare checks.

Or when you have a racist social policy that Martin Luther King would be quick to recognize.

Or if there are a bunch of thugs with nothing else better to do. Racism is a red herring.
 
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Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Boy, you guys all read the same article, and every single person ignored the fact that other minorities are involved. THAT was pretty surprising :roll:. But try reading more carefully next time, because it's pretty obvious that the problems in France are NOT caused by some massive Islamisistifascist (or whatever dumbass term is in vogue this week) conspiracy.

You must be new to this issue.

"Islamisistifascist" is one of the causes of the riots. Much of the majority believes in that type of conspiracy, and thus attempts to further oppress the minority. These riots are a result of this phenomenon.

So, like most issues, it's the white nationalist mans fault. Nobody with a brain believes the islamifascist conspiracy.

I agree!

Besides, the French president is a prick.

Most issues? No. But Le Pen's influence on mainstream French politics surely led to this situation.

Fair enough.

NO, Le Pen has had no influence at all in the French politics.

It's because of the lack of integration and it's not just in France, no demands are being made and handouts are being given along with their living in the suburbs in specific places. You won't find all that many non-Brits in central Sheffield just like you won't find that many immigrants in central Paris, they are stuck in the suburbs speaking their own language and they can't get a job becase of it.

What is needed is obvious, they need to learn the language first and then these communities need to be broken up and every city or commune needs to take a number of them so they get integrated into society, most of all they need a job, it's what's keeping the high unemployment up these days, immigration and refugees.

Note that Sweden, a nation of 9 million people take in more refugees than the rest of the EU combined (and 15x what the US does) and it still doesn't have these problems because they know how to handle it.

Racism, ethnicism and intolerance isn't more prevalent in the EU than in the US.
 
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Originally posted by: piasabird
Destroyed from Within.

This is what happen when you have a large welfare state and you cut off the welfare checks.

And all Americans are fat Muslim hating morons who can't spell USA.

Now that we got that out of the way can we start discussing the real issues instead of the stereotypes?

The US hands out more welfare per capita in a year than France does in five, you pay more taxes for your healthcare system even though it's privatized.

I could go on and on but rather than pointing fingers i'd like to stick with the issue at hand, it IS a problem, not only for France but in the GB too and our politicians are treating it like it was a new thing.

Of course, we've got places like Brixton where even i don't want to walk unarmed.
 
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