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sdifox

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update:
roommate n1, the guy who isn't vegan but eats mostly vegan burgers, opened a 4-pack of raw chicken breasts right in front of me, and threw them in the oven *like that*.
he did not butterfly them or otherwise do anything about the chicken breast being thicker on one side.
he did not beat them to flatten them.
he did not salt or pepper them.
he did not add oil.
no spices were harmed during the cooking of these chicken breasts.

 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Jun 19, 2004
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update:
roommate n1, the guy who isn't vegan but eats mostly vegan burgers, opened a 4-pack of raw chicken breasts right in front of me, and threw them in the oven *like that*.
he did not butterfly them or otherwise do anything about the chicken breast being thicker on one side.
he did not beat them to flatten them.
he did not salt or pepper them.
he did not add oil.
no spices were harmed during the cooking of these chicken breasts.
The number of people who can't cook is legion. The U.S. leads in the convenience over everything trend but, certainly doesn't have a monopoly on it. What's most bothersome to me isn't that so many have no clue but, that they don't care. Sadly, today, most people eat because they have to. A handful argue about which fast food chains fillers are better than the others. A tiny number, about 10%, enjoy food, the time spent fixing it, the improvement of adds to relationships and, the sharing of culture. I view the majority as handicapped mindless drones.
 
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The number of people who can't cook is legion. The U.S. leads in the convenience over everything trend but, certainly doesn't have a monopoly on it. What's most bothersome to me isn't that so many have no clue but, that they don't care. Sadly, today, most people eat because they have to. A handful argue about which fast food chains fillers are better than the others. A tiny number, about 10%, enjoy food, the time spent fixing it, the improvement of adds to relationships and, the sharing of culture. I view the majority as handicapped mindless drones.


To be fair...

I think part of the issue is a lot of recipes (especially for non-pro cooks who are slow with instructions) often takes at least 1 - 2 hours just to prepare and plate ANY recipe.

Add on top of that 30 minutes to sit down and eat, and another 30 minutes to clean up and do the dishes... You're talking 2-3 hours every night....

That was totally feasible once upon a time with only 1-parent working households... But with both working, who the fudge has 2-3 hours to do full on from scratch cooking when you get home at 6:30 PM?



Also- I'm not saying the answer is to pickup fast-food or anything like that. I've worked my way around this stuff by doing things like slow-cooker in the morning... Basically while having my coffee I'll just cut up stuff for Chili, toss it in the slow-cooker and it's ready whenever were done with work.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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To be fair...

I think part of the issue is a lot of recipes (especially for non-pro cooks who are slow with instructions) often takes at least 1 - 2 hours just to prepare and plate ANY recipe.

Add on top of that 30 minutes to sit down and eat, and another 30 minutes to clean up and do the dishes... You're talking 2-3 hours every night....

That was totally feasible once upon a time with only 1-parent working households... But with both working, who the fudge has 2-3 hours to do full on from scratch cooking when you get home at 6:30 PM?
The time issue has wholesome work around for anyone willing to educate themselves. The issue is not caring and the unwillingness to invest any time in food knowledge or preparation. I would also ask how you're using that 2-3 hours you've "saved."
 
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The time issue has wholesome work around for anyone willing to educate themselves. The issue is not caring and the unwillingness to invest any time in food knowledge of preparation. I would also ask how you're using that 2-3 hours you've "saved."

Bills, dealing with the kids, cleaning up - then you have bathing the kids, putting them to bed... Plenty of things to list.

Admittedly, I suck at cooking too - but I can follow directions on a recipe card. Regardless of how much I cook, I can never seem to learn to chop veggies quickly like a pro.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Bills, dealing with the kids, cleaning up - then you have bathing the kids, putting them to bed... Plenty of things to list.

Admittedly, I suck at cooking too - but I can follow directions on a recipe card. Regardless of how much I cook, I can never seem to learn to chop veggies quickly like a pro.
If you're always in react mode you'll never catch up or have time for extraneous things like eating, breathing or, you know, enjoying life. It isn't as much about food as it is lifestyle. The hectic day to day lives of most isn't a natural evolution of life, it's a Corporate ploy to distract you from how they're fvcking with your life.
 

DigDog

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well obviously this is a YMMV situation, but here is how i feel;

1. cooking is a pleasure, not a chore. The time i dedicate to cooking is ME time, it relaxes me, because i have control over the situation, and i get to exparience the pleasure that comes from doing a good job.

2. if you have time constraints, there are recipes - many - which will suit you; throw a bunch of stuff in the oven and watch it magically become a dinner.

You don't need to *every day* cook something labour-intensive in order to make good food, and if you have a family, you can easily learn to make 8 portions per cooking session; and which dishes keep better than others.


Being "a good cook" is about, mostly, two things: understanding the various processes of food prep - how do they work physically, and what impact do they have on the food - and being able to eyeball taste. That way you know you can turn X food into Y meal by doing Z cooking, even if you've never done it before, and can expect to make it come out reasonably good.
To toot my own horn, i can watch a cooking show on tv and know what the food taste like, by seeing it being cooked. My head can visualize the flavours, becausecooking is something that, as a euro, is always on my mind.

I like to, say, be at work and think "today i want to try cooking a meal using X that's being prepared the Z way" and then rush to the supermarket to buy the ingredients, and then home to cook, and i like to do this, it's one of the things that makes my life enjoyable. If you're not like that - more so, if you can live without doing this and it doesn't bother you at all - more power to you, but, you should really learn at least a few good recipes for those around you, because cooking good food is a very much valued skill in common society.
 
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well obviously this is a YMMV situation, but here is how i feel;

1. cooking is a pleasure, not a chore. The time i dedicate to cooking is ME time, it relaxes me, because i have control over the situation, and i get to exparience the pleasure that comes from doing a good job.

2. if you have time constraints, there are recipes - many - which will suit you; throw a bunch of stuff in the oven and watch it magically become a dinner.

You don't need to *every day* cook something labour-intensive in order to make good food, and if you have a family, you can easily learn to make 8 portions per cooking session; and which dishes keep better than others.


Being "a good cook" is about, mostly, two things: understanding the various processes of food prep - how do they work physically, and what impact do they have on the food - and being able to eyeball taste. That way you know you can turn X food into Y meal by doing Z cooking, even if you've never done it before, and can expect to make it come out reasonably good.
To toot my own horn, i can watch a cooking show on tv and know what the food taste like, by seeing it being cooked. My head can visualize the flavours, becausecooking is something that, as a euro, is always on my mind.

I like to, say, be at work and think "today i want to try cooking a meal using X that's being prepared the Z way" and then rush to the supermarket to buy the ingredients, and then home to cook, and i like to do this, it's one of the things that makes my life enjoyable. If you're not like that - more so, if you can live without doing this and it doesn't bother you at all - more power to you, but, you should really learn at least a few good recipes for those around you, because cooking good food is a very much valued skill in common society.

Are you single by chance?
 
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super single
Yeah I figured - and it's nothing against you or how you enjoy cooking. It's...just...a different mindset.

I absolutely agree if I had peace and tranquility in the home without someone coming up to me during the cooking It can definetly be more therapeutic and enjoying in nature.

But when you're cooking for a family... First, you are automatically no longer cooking for your personal enjoyment as the head priority. You're cooking because your family depends on it. Second, people will (wife and kids) come up to annoy you during the cooking process. No bueno.

I definetly remember those days of single life where I didn't mind going to the grocery store the same day. Getting fresh ingredients, making a really nice dinner with a glass of red.
 

DigDog

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ah, i love me some breakfast kipper. a good bit of bread too, and maybe a bit of butter.

@s0me0nesmind1

dude, what i mean is, that you can give two people the same ingredients, the same time, the same tools, and one can fuck it up while the other makes a great meal. Being competent in cooking is, in my eyes, as fundamental as being able to parrallel park, everyone needs to be able to do it, even if you're not a wizard at it, you need to know the basics.

to make a practical example: spaghetti.

Spaghetti is such a basic food, super-easy to make, you can make food for 4 people with a great sauce in 20 minutes. Learning how to make it is also easy, it does not take complicated ingredients, or stuff that spoils quickly, it's not expensive, and it's healthy.

Now, if you can't make decent spaghetti, you suck. There is no excuse for it, there's no "it's exotic food, i can't find it, it takes too much time, it's got a weird taste, it costs too much, the kids don't like it". It's fucking basic AF food that every human being this side of the great wall of china needs to be able to cook to a decent standard.
I'm not asking you to make a fisheads sauce for smoked lobester-stuffed ravioli, but jesus christ on a pogostick, you need to be able to make some spaghetti.
 

skyking

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Nov 21, 2001
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They have perfected the art of toast. It is toasted then left to turn stone cold in a toast torture rack. Only the coldest toast is acceptable.
This is served with tomatoes boiled and peeled, some tasteless sausage and sometimes an egg not cooked to taste. Toss in some blood pudding and you have your basic B&B breakfast.
We had decent Indian food, and oddly enough, good Thai food at the same restaurant.
 
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WelshBloke

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I like going to this pub, it has a pretty local British menu...

I suspect that a bunch of you eating crap food in the UK are going to a 'Spoons and then being all surprised that the cheap crap that you are buying is in fact cheap crap.
You can get good food most places in most countries, you just have to make a tiny bit of effort to find it.
 

Scarpozzi

Lifer
Jun 13, 2000
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update:
roommate n1, the guy who isn't vegan but eats mostly vegan burgers, opened a 4-pack of raw chicken breasts right in front of me, and threw them in the oven *like that*.
he did not butterfly them or otherwise do anything about the chicken breast being thicker on one side.
he did not beat them to flatten them.
he did not salt or pepper them.
he did not add oil.
no spices were harmed during the cooking of these chicken breasts.
That just sounds lazy to me. I had a roommate that used to buy frozen chicken tenderloin (raw frozen). He would put them in the microwave for a few minutes before cutting them up in a salad. It was all about time savings for him, but that just gives the chicken rubbery texture with hard edges and no flavor.

Most US citizens don't cook anymore either. I found it funny that the pandemic caused a lot of people to start eating at home more. Ultimately, most people still don't cook....they reheat.

I make chicken curry and basmati rice once a week usually... The curry is rarely the same. Last week, it was a quart or more of fresh tomatoes I grew, mixed with coconut milk, onions, spinach, and spices....pressure cooked for 20 minutes and stewed for 6 hours.

Worcestershire sauce is probably best on burgers prior to grilling. I use around a tablespoon on each side of the burgers...so lots of waste(why I buy the cheap stuff). But they make low quality beef (standard 80/20) taste great.

I may have to see about making more meat pies. In the past, I have done some bakes with either chicken or beef and vegetables....then mixed a Bisquick type batter to pour over the top and bake. That doesn't make a pastry, but it's quick and easy to generate a heart pot pie type meal.


Beans on toast....yeah. I would expect that to suck after seeing it on a Peppa Pig episode with the kids.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Yeah I figured - and it's nothing against you or how you enjoy cooking. It's...just...a different mindset.

I absolutely agree if I had peace and tranquility in the home without someone coming up to me during the cooking It can definetly be more therapeutic and enjoying in nature.

But when you're cooking for a family... First, you are automatically no longer cooking for your personal enjoyment as the head priority. You're cooking because your family depends on it. Second, people will (wife and kids) come up to annoy you during the cooking process. No bueno.

I definetly remember those days of single life where I didn't mind going to the grocery store the same day. Getting fresh ingredients, making a really nice dinner with a glass of red.

If that kind of interaction bothers you while cooking and you still can't enjoy it--like say, turn it into a teaching opportunity because kids actually like that--hey look, you're now combining two required evening tasks and you didn't even know it!--then that is more of a strange personal problem that doesn't have anything to do with the chore of cooking, as you describe it.
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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Sometimes I do an image search of phrases to see if something funny pops up, and I'm very disappointed that "faggots in gravy" returns nothing :^(
 

Zanovar

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Sometimes I do an image search of phrases to see if something funny pops up, and I'm very disappointed that "faggots in gravy" returns nothing :^(
haha There are specialist sites for that
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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I found the food. That isn't so funny. I thought the vast internet might have come up with something far more amusing.
 

Scarpozzi

Lifer
Jun 13, 2000
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If that kind of interaction bothers you while cooking and you still can't enjoy it--like say, turn it into a teaching opportunity because kids actually like that--hey look, you're now combining two required evening tasks and you didn't even know it!--then that is more of a strange personal problem that doesn't have anything to do with the chore of cooking, as you describe it.
My trick is that I cook what I want to eat. Everyone else can eat PB&J for every meal if they want to, but I keep on cooking for me and eventually the kids will take a chance for the sake of change. It's working out and they're warming up to different foods because of it. (6-8 years old)

I don't get interrupted by others while cooking/grilling. My back deck faces East and my garage is 28 feet high.....so I get total shade in the hot Summer evenings back there while I'm grilling. It's pretty damn awesome chilling back there while smelling jerk chicken or burgers or cajun grilled fish or shrimp....I even did an asian-style chicken out there last week that was serious. Soy/hot sauce/worchestershire (in lieu of fish sauce)/sesame oil.... I gotta plan something for this evening.
 

thestrangebrew1

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I eat avocados with a little bit of soy sauce. Slice it up in it's skin, and pour a little bit in so the flavor gets soaked in each piece. Good shit.
 
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