Party of free choice???

[Robor]

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
Those of you who endorse this BS should all be drug out in the street and shot in the freaking knee caps. You freaking fascist pigs all need to endure excruciating pain and suffering. To hell with your freaking "I can be exposed to smoke" BS. You don't want to be exposed to smoke, then don't go somewhere it's allowed. What in the hell makes people believe it's their right to enforce their freaking will on a business owner. If a business chooses to allow smoking in their establishment, that's THEIR RIGHT! It's THEIR business, not your's and certainly not the governments! You people disgust me.

I'll just quote Hafen's post because it fits... 'You don't understand, nonsmokers got tired, played smarter and told smokers to go get fucked. Now they whine like children with their toys taken away bc they can't play nicely. You all were rude, and now you've been told to go away.'

 

[Thump553]

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
Those of you who endorse this BS should all be drug out in the street and shot in the freaking knee caps. You freaking fascist pigs all need to endure excruciating pain and suffering. To hell with your freaking "I can be exposed to smoke" BS. You don't want to be exposed to smoke, then don't go somewhere it's allowed. What in the hell makes people believe it's their right to enforce their freaking will on a business owner. If a business chooses to allow smoking in their establishment, that's THEIR RIGHT! It's THEIR business, not your's and certainly not the governments! You people disgust me.

Explain that to a friend of mine. She grew up with smoking parents. From college on she was a lifelong health food nut, never smoked a day in her life. In her thirties as a young mother she got lung cancer, had a lung surgically removed, went through two+ years of treatment hell. Fortunately she survived and is now cancer free.

You fools addicted to Big Tobacco certainly can take a few steps outside to protect the rest of us. And stop whining about your alleged rights to risk our lives. Oh, and when you get cancer or or tobacco caused disease, do the honorable thing and kill yourself rather than sucking up our insurance & tax dollars on your medical treatment.

 

[NaughtyGeek]

Originally posted by: Thump553

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
Those of you who endorse this BS should all be drug out in the street and shot in the freaking knee caps. You freaking fascist pigs all need to endure excruciating pain and suffering. To hell with your freaking "I can be exposed to smoke" BS. You don't want to be exposed to smoke, then don't go somewhere it's allowed. What in the hell makes people believe it's their right to enforce their freaking will on a business owner. If a business chooses to allow smoking in their establishment, that's THEIR RIGHT! It's THEIR business, not your's and certainly not the governments! You people disgust me.

Explain that to a friend of mine. She grew up with smoking parents. From college on she was a lifelong health food nut, never smoked a day in her life. In her thirties as a young mother she got lung cancer, had a lung surgically removed, went through two+ years of treatment hell. Fortunately she survived and is now cancer free.

You fools addicted to Big Tobacco certainly can take a few steps outside to protect the rest of us. And stop whining about your alleged rights to risk our lives. Oh, and when you get cancer or or tobacco caused disease, do the honorable thing and kill yourself rather than sucking up our insurance & tax dollars on your medical treatment.

That's a shame that your friend got lung cancer. However, instead of lobbying against smoking in public, perhaps you should turn your attention to getting tobacco banned. Yeah, I get the "plight" of the poor helpless non-smokers out there that can't decide for themselves whether or not to go into a place of business that allows smoking on THEIR premises. I'm truly sorry that you people are too freaking stupid to avoid places that put your health at risk.

Government property = no smoking = I can live with that.
Privately owned business = no smoking = government putting their nose where it doesn't belong.
Non Smokers afraid of the effects of second hand smoke going into a business that allows smoking = stupid, moron, imbecile, retard, idiot , dumb shit, peon, brainless chuckleheads
Government dictating that people cannot participate in legal activities in privately owned establishments = FASCIST FREAKING GERMANY!

 

[SleepWalkerX]

Originally posted by: Thump553

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
Those of you who endorse this BS should all be drug out in the street and shot in the freaking knee caps. You freaking fascist pigs all need to endure excruciating pain and suffering. To hell with your freaking "I can be exposed to smoke" BS. You don't want to be exposed to smoke, then don't go somewhere it's allowed. What in the hell makes people believe it's their right to enforce their freaking will on a business owner. If a business chooses to allow smoking in their establishment, that's THEIR RIGHT! It's THEIR business, not your's and certainly not the governments! You people disgust me.

Explain that to a friend of mine. She grew up with smoking parents. From college on she was a lifelong health food nut, never smoked a day in her life. In her thirties as a young mother she got lung cancer, had a lung surgically removed, went through two+ years of treatment hell. Fortunately she survived and is now cancer free.

You fools addicted to Big Tobacco certainly can take a few steps outside to protect the rest of us. And stop whining about your alleged rights to risk our lives. Oh, and when you get cancer or or tobacco caused disease, do the honorable thing and kill yourself rather than sucking up our insurance & tax dollars on your medical treatment.

So are you suggesting that we ban smoking in homes or ban smoking in general?

 

[HombrePequeno]

I like being able to go into a bar or restaurant and not having to smell smoke. I hate the smell of smoke; it's disgusting. That being said, I don't agree with laws like this at all (I voted against the one that passed here in WA) because I think it should be left up to the business on whether or not they allow smoking in their establishments.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
Non Smokers afraid of the effects of second hand smoke going into a business that allows smoking = stupid, ...

why?

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
Non Smokers afraid of the effects of second hand smoke going into a business that allows smoking = stupid, ...

why?

That answer is obvious. Any restrictions on the right of when/where/how smokers are allowed to feed their addiction is right out of 'FASCIST FREAKING GERMANY'. You pretty much know someone has a weak argument when they go to the 'Hitler' card'.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX
The radius of someone's smoking is really like 2 meters tops. Smokers can't control where the wind blows their smoke, but you definitely can move your ass a few feet. Are you sure its the smokers harassing you and not the other way around?

Even in an outdoor patio you're a damned moron if you think that. Two meters is the space between tables. Tell ya what... I'll sit upwind with a big bag of cat shit/piss and let it drift downwind of you during your meal. Do you think you'd enjoy that? I have a cat and I can tolerate the smell so you should be able to do the same. If not, I'm sure you could 'move your ass a few feet', right?

I've had pussies like you come to my house, drink my beer/wine/alcohol, eat my food and enjoy my hospitality, then have the gaul to ask to to put my cigarette out when I was smoking outside on the deck of my house.

You whackos are out of control.

Uh... No, you haven't had 'pussies like me' at your house complaining. It's *your* house and I wouldn't even consider it. My neighbors both smoke outside in front of their place. If I leave my kitchen window or front door open the smoke comes right through our place. I have two options... Close my window/door or ask my neighbors not to smoke outside *their own place*. I do the former. Sorry your friends suck though.

Now where did you get the idea these were "friends"? I distinctly called them "pussies". People who think that ocassionally catching a whiff of smoke is going to harm them are "pussies". Plain and simple.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX
The radius of someone's smoking is really like 2 meters tops. Smokers can't control where the wind blows their smoke, but you definitely can move your ass a few feet. Are you sure its the smokers harassing you and not the other way around?

Even in an outdoor patio you're a damned moron if you think that. Two meters is the space between tables. Tell ya what... I'll sit upwind with a big bag of cat shit/piss and let it drift downwind of you during your meal. Do you think you'd enjoy that? I have a cat and I can tolerate the smell so you should be able to do the same. If not, I'm sure you could 'move your ass a few feet', right?

I've had pussies like you come to my house, drink my beer/wine/alcohol, eat my food and enjoy my hospitality, then have the gaul to ask to to put my cigarette out when I was smoking outside on the deck of my house.

You whackos are out of control.

Uh... No, you haven't had 'pussies like me' at your house complaining. It's *your* house and I wouldn't even consider it. My neighbors both smoke outside in front of their place. If I leave my kitchen window or front door open the smoke comes right through our place. I have two options... Close my window/door or ask my neighbors not to smoke outside *their own place*. I do the former. Sorry your friends suck though.

Now where did you get the idea these were "friends"? I distinctly called them "pussies". People who think that ocassionally catching a whiff of smoke is going to harm them are "pussies". Plain and simple.

I dunno about you but I don't let non-friends come hang at my place like that. Anyway, if I was in your position in that instance where this 'guest' asked you to not smoke on your own porch I'd show them the door.

FWIW I don't think anyone - even the hardcore non-smoker - thinks 'a whiff of smoke' is going to harm them. In fact I just spent the past 3 hours watching a live performer outside at a local hangout. Smoking is permitted outside here and while I'd rather not smell it the concentration isn't bad like being inside a restaurant. There were people smoking at the table next to us and believe it or not we somehow we managed to have a good time - actually a great time.

 

[JSt0rm]

when I was young i worked as a waiter to "make it". i worked in higher end establishments and once or twice a week I would have to work in the "smoking section" i felt like i was breathing razor blades by the end of the night because of the choking cigar smoke and cigarettes. Bills like these are passed to insure a safe work environment. That is the governments responsibility. Get used to these things, it has less to do with your rights to smoke then it does with someones rights to work in a environment that is safe.

 

[NaughtyGeek]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
Non Smokers afraid of the effects of second hand smoke going into a business that allows smoking = stupid, ...

why?

That answer is obvious. Any restrictions on the right of when/where/how smokers are allowed to feed their addiction is right out of 'FASCIST FREAKING GERMANY'. You pretty much know someone has a weak argument when they go to the 'Hitler' card'.

Hows about you grow some of dem dere brain cells there botard. The argument has nothing to freaking do with a smokers "right to smoke," it's about the business owner choosing whether or not it's allowed in THEIR place of business. However, a bunch of fascist pigs who refuse to leave people to exercise their legal rights are going to screw that up by passing infringing fascist laws to prohibit a legal activity in a private business. It's not a weak argument whatsoever. You who would take away a business owners rights to protect your perceived right to go into that individuals place of business and have it run the way YOU say are in fact a fascist. Not because you want it done your way, but because you think the government has a right to dictate how that business owner runs his business. The Hitler card applies quite nicely here.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
Non Smokers afraid of the effects of second hand smoke going into a business that allows smoking = stupid, ...

why?

That answer is obvious. Any restrictions on the right of when/where/how smokers are allowed to feed their addiction is right out of 'FASCIST FREAKING GERMANY'. You pretty much know someone has a weak argument when they go to the 'Hitler' card'.

Hows about you grow some of dem dere brain cells there botard. The argument has nothing to freaking do with a smokers "right to smoke," it's about the business owner choosing whether or not it's allowed in THEIR place of business. However, a bunch of fascist pigs who refuse to leave people to exercise their legal rights are going to screw that up by passing infringing fascist laws to prohibit a legal activity in a private business. It's not a weak argument whatsoever. You who would take away a business owners rights to protect your perceived right to go into that individuals place of business and have it run the way YOU say are in fact a fascist. Not because you want it done your way, but because you think the government has a right to dictate how that business owner runs his business. The Hitler card applies quite nicely here.

Wow...all that over being able to smoke in your favorite bar?

I'd hate to see how you'd react to something REALLY important...

 

[Carmen813]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Yeah, the anti-smoking thing is going too far all over.

Not in my opinion, then again I was diagnosed with a cancer that has been linked strongly to second hand smoke, yet I never smoked a day in my life, just everyone else in the family...

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Carmen813

Originally posted by: Pabster
Yeah, the anti-smoking thing is going too far all over.

Not in my opinion, then again I was diagnosed with a cancer that has been linked strongly to second hand smoke, yet I never smoked a day in my life, just everyone else in the family...

wow so sorry. This is something i fear for myself.

and naughtygeek: i do know most of these laws allow smoking in businesses where the owner is the only "employee" and they choose to allow it. This would be their right, but it is not their right to force that on any employee.

 

[Nebor]

The libertarian in my knows that it should be up to each individual business to decide whether or not to ban smoking.

But the authoritarian in me sure does like smoke free restaurants and bars. :evil:

There's not really any harm in using the government to bully minorities, is there?

 

[MonkeyK]

As a non-smoker, I don't see what the big deal is. Let the market sort it out. People who don't want to work or eat in smoky restaurants or bars can go to the ones that are "No Smoking" places. People who don't mind can go to the ones that allow smoking.
I would not go to the places that allow smoking, but I wouldn't begrudge smokers a place of their own.

I heard that the MN law was written such that any dining establishment with more than one employee has to be non-smoking (I think that the reasoning is that the owner can't force their employees to breath the smoke). I keep imagining some enterprising person creating an associated zone of single bartender owned bars. There has to be huge money in giving smokers a place to hang out and have a drink.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Vic
Are we supposed be THINK OF THE CHILDREN! while we're discussing smoking in BARS, then? :roll:

Nice of you to duck away from restaurants, inns, libraries, public sports areans, department stores, book stores, hotel lobbies, barber shops, shoe repair shops...

Nice of you to want to kill so many non-smoking customers in the bars, too.

Harvey, the Drug Warrior in chief :thumbdown;

:lips: my (_!_)

It's not just the customers but how about the bartender or waiters that have to work in that crappy environment all day long.

I say if these smoker assholes can fly to hawaii for a 6+ long hour flight with out a smoke, then can't they go without one for an hour or so in bar/restaurant? I think smokers are totally irresponsible, rude and downright stupid for their own gains for a HABIT!!! Look if I am the only one Drinking at a bar, I am not killing anyone else around me... I am not a smoker and will avoid going to places that cater to smokers.

Kinda like abortions ya know? If you don't want one... Then avoid the abortion clinics! How simple is that?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX
The radius of someone's smoking is really like 2 meters tops. Smokers can't control where the wind blows their smoke, but you definitely can move your ass a few feet. Are you sure its the smokers harassing you and not the other way around?

Even in an outdoor patio you're a damned moron if you think that. Two meters is the space between tables. Tell ya what... I'll sit upwind with a big bag of cat shit/piss and let it drift downwind of you during your meal. Do you think you'd enjoy that? I have a cat and I can tolerate the smell so you should be able to do the same. If not, I'm sure you could 'move your ass a few feet', right?

I've had pussies like you come to my house, drink my beer/wine/alcohol, eat my food and enjoy my hospitality, then have the gaul to ask to to put my cigarette out when I was smoking outside on the deck of my house.

You whackos are out of control.

Uh... No, you haven't had 'pussies like me' at your house complaining. It's *your* house and I wouldn't even consider it. My neighbors both smoke outside in front of their place. If I leave my kitchen window or front door open the smoke comes right through our place. I have two options... Close my window/door or ask my neighbors not to smoke outside *their own place*. I do the former. Sorry your friends suck though.

Now where did you get the idea these were "friends"? I distinctly called them "pussies". People who think that ocassionally catching a whiff of smoke is going to harm them are "pussies". Plain and simple.

I dunno about you but I don't let non-friends come hang at my place like that. Anyway, if I was in your position in that instance where this 'guest' asked you to not smoke on your own porch I'd show them the door.

FWIW I don't think anyone - even the hardcore non-smoker - thinks 'a whiff of smoke' is going to harm them. In fact I just spent the past 3 hours watching a live performer outside at a local hangout. Smoking is permitted outside here and while I'd rather not smell it the concentration isn't bad like being inside a restaurant. There were people smoking at the table next to us and believe it or not we somehow we managed to have a good time - actually a great time.

They were friends of friends and I invited them to come over. It's called extending your hospitality. I was quite shocked for someone to complain about me smoking outside, on the deck of my own house whilst I was grilling food for them. I just laughed at their request and said sorry, but it's outside and it's my property so I'll do as I please. Funny they weren't complaining about the smoke from the steaks I was grilling grill too?? LOL!

LOL at smoking being "permitted" outside!! That's exactly why I say this whole issue is out of control.

 

[sportage]

A middle aged guy and friend of my parents discovered he had lung cancer a short time back. He told the doc it was not possible because he never smoked. The doc said "didn?t you tell me your profession was owner of a bar? You were exposed for years."

iOwa is a strange place, in that we have this place called Perkins. Its like Ihop or Denny's. They usually REAK of smoke. To them, putting up a sign over one table saying NON SMOKING is their way of having a no smoking section. Like smoke from someone?s cig can read.

In reality, a lot of places are seeing their customers dwindle because they allow smoking or have a smoking section. A lot of families will no longer venture to places like that.
So many restaurants have banned smoking on their own.

And why the others would allow something as nasty as smoking in a place that serves food, in the first place, is beyond me.

Maybe smoking is not illegal, these bans will hopefully make it so someday soon. It should be. Its a drug, its addictive, and its proven extremely harmful. It needs to be banned and made illegal, like any other harmful life threatening drug.
Sure, someone already hooked and addicted is going to disagree.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
Non Smokers afraid of the effects of second hand smoke going into a business that allows smoking = stupid, ...

why?

That answer is obvious. Any restrictions on the right of when/where/how smokers are allowed to feed their addiction is right out of 'FASCIST FREAKING GERMANY'. You pretty much know someone has a weak argument when they go to the 'Hitler' card'.

Hows about you grow some of dem dere brain cells there botard. The argument has nothing to freaking do with a smokers "right to smoke," it's about the business owner choosing whether or not it's allowed in THEIR place of business. However, a bunch of fascist pigs who refuse to leave people to exercise their legal rights are going to screw that up by passing infringing fascist laws to prohibit a legal activity in a private business. It's not a weak argument whatsoever. You who would take away a business owners rights to protect your perceived right to go into that individuals place of business and have it run the way YOU say are in fact a fascist. Not because you want it done your way, but because you think the government has a right to dictate how that business owner runs his business. The Hitler card applies quite nicely here.

I was just wondering why you were calling people who were afraid of the effects of second-hand smoke stupid.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So I'm sitting with my family in a restaurant. CAD comes in and decides to fire one up and blow smoke at my son who has asthma. I'm now supposed to get up and leave.

Instead I think that perhaps I should defend my son and throw a bucket of water on him. It's my right.

Son, you do that to my kid you are going to be in soooooooooo much trouble.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: sirjonk
They're in favor of non-smokers choice to not die because of your habit.

I kind of buy that argument, but I think banning it in BARS and NIGHTCLUBS is probably as stupid as it gets. Nothing wrong with becoming intoxicated ... but don't you smoke a cigarette! :laugh:

When is the last time any of you heard of someone dying from second hand cirrhosis of the liver because some else was drinking next to them and they weren't?

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: MonkeyK
As a non-smoker, I don't see what the big deal is. Let the market sort it out. People who don't want to work or eat in smoky restaurants or bars can go to the ones that are "No Smoking" places. People who don't mind can go to the ones that allow smoking.
I would not go to the places that allow smoking, but I wouldn't begrudge smokers a place of their own.

You make the assumption that people would have that choice. And while some do the poor people generally have less choice. Tell a single mother of 2 that she can't work in a fine dining restaurant as a waitress to raise her children in a lower middle/middle class unless shes willing to inhale smoke. People ignore the fact that those serving them are human as well. If you have never had to serve a day in your life or have always had the luxury to make choices then you don't understand the reality for many people.

 

[BarneyFife]

LOL@Cad for smoking. What a loser.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
So I'm sitting with my family in a restaurant. CAD comes in and decides to fire one up and blow smoke at my son who has asthma. I'm now supposed to get up and leave.

Instead I think that perhaps I should defend my son and throw a bucket of water on him. It's my right.

Son, you do that to my kid you are going to be in soooooooooo much trouble.

You take your asthmatic son to bars/restaruants that allow smoking?

Do you drive him around in the city?


I'm sorry, but if my child had a condition like that, I sure as hell wouldn't take him into an establishment that allowed smoking. Sheesh.