Passage of the ACHA Lays Bare The Hatred and Contempt in The Hearts of GOP Voters

[Geekbabe]

First of all hopefully we have choices in today's world of insurance companies but that is getting to be a problem too. Secondly if a gov't takes over these tasks then it is by definition a gov't takeover

Do you understand the kinds of "choice" being proposed? Seriously , as a man with a wife who has a history of cancer & heart problems, do you know what annual caps & lifetime limits could do to your family? And what about you? At age 53, you are headed to the time when you will start seeing health issues cropping up. I was 57 when they first told me they thought I had cancer.

Lifetime limits, annual caps...one serious illness could bankrupt you even after you paid for insurance

 

[J.Wilkins]

They will transfer this power to the states which is where it should be

Let me translate your entire posting history on all matters like this for everyone else: FYGM.

Which is fine until you lose your job and are out of insurance and during that period of time you get sick and now you are uninsurable.

At that point you may want to protest against that but others will do what you just did and go: FYGM.

No one is immune to a system that does not take care of it's citizens base needs, not even the people who thought they had it all figured out. You go ask the people who lost everything in the 90's who argued just like you do now how they feel after taking a walk in the shoes of the unfortunate.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Do you understand the kinds of "choice" being proposed? Seriously , as a man with a wife who has a history of cancer & heart problems, do you know what annual caps & lifetime limits could do to your family? And what about you? At age 53, you are headed to the time when you will start seeing health issues cropping up. I was 57 when they first told me they thought I had cancer.

Lifetime limits, annual caps...one serious illness could bankrupt you even after you paid for insurance

It's an awesome system for milking the consumers who have absolutely no choice what so ever and then argue that with private insurance they have all the choices in the world while with socialized care they have no choice.

The lack of NHS is the reason why I never moved to the US.

 

[Roflmouth]

It's an awesome system for milking the consumers who have absolutely no choice what so ever and then argue that with private insurance they have all the choices in the world while with socialized care they have no choice.

The lack of NHS is the reason why I never moved to the US.

Our loss, I'm sure.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Our loss, I'm sure.

Since you guys prefer valley girls and idiots over decent, well educated people... Perhaps not.

For me and my family's sake, definitely not our loss in any shape or form.

I cannot think of a single way life in the US would be better given the crime rates, poor education, useless healthcare (just look at the numbers, worst outcomes in the western world) and poor living standard in comparison to living in London.

Maybe the weather but then again, considering how much more you make with a proper education in London you can travel the world during your six weeks paid vacation.

 

[Sunburn74]

Since you guys prefer valley girls and idiots over decent, well educated people... Perhaps not.

For me and my family's sake, definitely not our loss in any shape or form.

I cannot think of a single way life in the US would be better given the crime rates, poor education, useless healthcare (just look at the numbers, worst outcomes in the western world) and poor living standard in comparison to living in London.

Maybe the weather but then again, considering how much more you make with a proper education in London you can travel the world during your six weeks paid vacation.

I would be inclined to agree. I think people in the US grossly overestimate their quality of life compared to people overseas.
Currently 50% of American's are living pay-check to paycheck and 75% of american's can't come up with 500 dollars to cover an emergency, talk less take an overseas vacation. Whilst the ceiling in the US is higher than other countries, the floors are much much lower.

 

[Jhhnn]

They will transfer this power to the states which is where it should be

Some of which will likely use that power in just the way Geekbabe describes it.

 

[Jhhnn]

Since you guys prefer valley girls and idiots over decent, well educated people... Perhaps not.

For me and my family's sake, definitely not our loss in any shape or form.

I cannot think of a single way life in the US would be better given the crime rates, poor education, useless healthcare (just look at the numbers, worst outcomes in the western world) and poor living standard in comparison to living in London.

Maybe the weather but then again, considering how much more you make with a proper education in London you can travel the world during your six weeks paid vacation.

I worked a union job in a govt agency for 28 years before I got 6 weeks vacation. Few Americans are ever so fortunate.

 

[Victorian Gray]

First of all hopefully we have choices in today's world of insurance companies but that is getting to be a problem too. Secondly if a gov't takes over these tasks then it is by definition a gov't takeover

Yes. It's a takeover of the job that private insurance companies do. The payment of medical bills. Nobody has been arguing against this point.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Our loss, I'm sure.

Given that you know absolutely nothing about this person you might actually be correct. It may well be your country's loss.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

@Geekbabe: you're not going to convince him. I know you (and everyone else with a decent beating human heart reading this thread...) are incredulous at what he's saying, but it's the mark of a fanatic: he will sacrifice even his own wife.

Sure, he won't say that, and I bet when the inevitable happens and his eyes are forcefully opened to what a parade of horrors he's supporting in the only way possible (that being, when it affects him personally) there will be Tears of Regret (TM) but by then it will be too late for all concerned. Especially his poor wife.

Again, not wishing that on them, especially not her, but it's inevitable at this point. I wonder if he'll pull a Newt and throw her away...

 

[Geekbabe]

@Geekbabe: you're not going to convince him. I know you (and everyone else with a decent beating human heart reading this thread...) are incredulous at what he's saying, but it's the mark of a fanatic: he will sacrifice even his own wife.

Sure, he won't say that, and I bet when the inevitable happens and his eyes are forcefully opened to what a parade of horrors he's supporting in the only way possible (that being, when it affects him personally) there will be Tears of Regret (TM) but by then it will be too late for all concerned. Especially his poor wife.

Again, not wishing that on them, especially not her, but it's inevitable at this point. I wonder if he'll pull a Newt and throw her away...

I am going to assume he has stood by his wife during serious illness before. Please understand, I want affordable health insurance for us all, even for people who I don't agree with on politics. All of us deserve health care, all of us, this might well be the only point in this huge divide that can possibly unite us. This country is so divided, so filled with hate right now. I just can't add more to that

Btw, don't even get me started on the subject of Newt please!

 

[fskimospy]

Since you guys prefer valley girls and idiots over decent, well educated people... Perhaps not.

For me and my family's sake, definitely not our loss in any shape or form.

I cannot think of a single way life in the US would be better given the crime rates, poor education, useless healthcare (just look at the numbers, worst outcomes in the western world) and poor living standard in comparison to living in London.

Maybe the weather but then again, considering how much more you make with a proper education in London you can travel the world during your six weeks paid vacation.

Well to be fair you're comparing the US to the richest city in the U.K. and one of the richest in the world. Presumably you're making a good living there as well but I wonder if the disproportionately large percentage of people living in poverty there would share your views. Median income is higher in the US than the U.K., so a reasonable person most interested in making money would be happier here.

The US has plenty of problems but there are plenty of great things about it too.

 

[Sea Ray]

So if your state decides your wife is uninsurable..what then? What happens when you turn 55 & your premiums go to 5X?

Then those politicians' career is screwed. That'd be political suicide

 

[Sea Ray]

Do you understand the kinds of "choice" being proposed? Seriously , as a man with a wife who has a history of cancer & heart problems, do you know what annual caps & lifetime limits could do to your family? And what about you? At age 53, you are headed to the time when you will start seeing health issues cropping up. I was 57 when they first told me they thought I had cancer.

Lifetime limits, annual caps...one serious illness could bankrupt you even after you paid for insurance

No question, I know I need afforadable insurance. I'm not guaranteed that now and that's why I support change

 

[Sea Ray]

Let me translate your entire posting history on all matters like this for everyone else: FYGM.

Which is fine until you lose your job and are out of insurance and during that period of time you get sick and now you are uninsurable.

At that point you may want to protest against that but others will do what you just did and go: FYGM.

No one is immune to a system that does not take care of it's citizens base needs, not even the people who thought they had it all figured out. You go ask the people who lost everything in the 90's who argued just like you do now how they feel after taking a walk in the shoes of the unfortunate.

I don't get my insurance from my employer. I buy on the individual market. Nothing is "fine" with me right now. Obamacare has taken away all my options. Insurers don't want to even offer coverage on the individual market. I'm screwed

 

[ch33zw1z]

Then you support making changes to the ACA, good to know.

 

[fskimospy]

Then you support making changes to the ACA, good to know.

Its bizarre that he keeps ignoring the fact that the reason he doesn't have any health plans where he lives is explicit Republican sabotage of the law. When the insurer for those counties left they said so.

So really he's basically saying that Republicans should change the ACA because Republicans have sabotaged the ACA.

 

[ch33zw1z]

He's gonna support Cons no matter what garbage they throw out. They're not even creative, just a 1 trick party. You know whatever turd gets pushed through it will benefits the wealthy, and the middle class will foot the bill.

 

[brycejones]

Its bizarre that he keeps ignoring the fact that the reason he doesn't have any health plans where he lives is explicit Republican sabotage of the law. When the insurer for those counties left they said so.

So really he's basically saying that Republicans should change the ACA because Republicans have sabotaged the ACA.

Its like talking to a polite version of Felix

 

[xthetenth]

They will transfer this power to the states which is where it should be

Ah yes. The solution to government being so terrible and incapable of managing healthcare: Hand it to a slightly different, smaller set of governments.

You really seriously aren't even trying to engage with the situation at all, just trying to slam your tenets of faith into it until you find one you can tell yourself would work. Unless you can tell us what magical property of state governments is going to make it all work out, of course.

 

[JMC2000]

They will transfer this power to the states which is where it should be

With the way some states handle Medicaid, letting the fed handle things is far more effective and efficient.

 

[Geekbabe]

I don't get my insurance from my employer. I buy on the individual market. Nothing is "fine" with me right now. Obamacare has taken away all my options. Insurers don't want to even offer coverage on the individual market. I'm screwed

First off, it's the ACA, not Obamacare. Secondly your insurance companies pulled out due to direct sabotage from the government. If these companies fear not getting paid what they were promised why would they stay? Also if your area is not heavily populated with people using the market, companies have even less reason to stay.

Might be time for you to start looking for a job that offers insurance & pray your state doesn't go the waiver route.

 

[brycejones]

First off, it's the ACA, not Obamacare. Secondly your insurance companies pulled out due to direct sabotage from the government. If these companies fear not getting paid what they were promised why would they stay? Also if your area is not heavily populated with people using the market, companies have even less reason to stay.

Might be time for you to start looking for a job that offers insurance & pray your state doesn't go the waiver route.

All Sea Ray wants to be able to do is buy cheap insurance that provides very limited coverage so if anything really bad happens he can just declare bankruptcy and run away from the bill.

 

[Geekbabe]

All Sea Ray wants to be able to do is buy cheap insurance that provides very limited coverage so if anything really bad happens he can just declare bankruptcy and run away from the bill.

That strategy won't work. Cancer centers require insurance or full cash payment or you get no care. He'll need to " spend down " to get Medicaid, that can include giving his house up, his business & every dime he has saved.

Here in MA, if you are over 55, the state gets the right to keep your 401K as well. No asset is protected. You get seriously ill & you will be thrust into poverty.