Passage of the ACHA Lays Bare The Hatred and Contempt in The Hearts of GOP Voters

[zinfamous]

What baffles me is how hell-bent the GOP has been on shoving the AHCA through despite persistent, widespread opposition to it from both sides of the political fence. It's a lose-lose. Even some loyal Republicans will hate it if the AHCA goes through, but if the party does the smart thing and shelves the AHCA for all eternity, they'll look impotent. It's getting to the point where the GOP would have stood a better chance if it had left the ACA alone.

The GOP's 5 major money handlers demand it, so they will do it. The GOP doesn't give a shit about people, much less their actual supporters. This is plainly obvious. It isn't debatable. This is public knowledge.

The GOP aims to eradicate the Republic, because power and money for themselves. That is their singular goal.

 

[brycejones]

That strategy won't work. Cancer centers require insurance or full cash payment or you get no care. He'll need to " spend down " to get Medicaid, that can include giving his house up, his business & every dime he has saved.

Here in MA, if you are over 55, the state gets the right to keep your 401K as well. No asset is protected. You get seriously ill & you will be thrust into poverty.

I for one won't accuse Sea Ray of planning ahead.

 

[agent00f]

Which doesn't fit well with the facts. Nearly 63M Americans voted for Trump yet approval ratings for the Repub healthcare plan are absolutely dismal.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/28/senate-gop-health-care-bill-has-dismal-approval-rating-poll.html

Seems to me quite a few degens are embarrassed to admit to things they vote for. Sort of like buckshot pretending he won't support this plan, or Sea Ray continues to pretend he didn't vote for Trump, or Trump pretends he doesn't know david duke. You know, why those election polls were wrong.

Are they all racists?

They evidently don't have a problem with their own. Remember, liberals are the Real racists.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

@Geekbabe, again, you're wasting time with Sea Ray. He will not "see the light," because he long ago sacrificed his [moral] sight to his Moloch idol, the ancient Elder Thing "Fukkyeuwaigotmain." All that remains is for him to suffer the logical effects of what he's supported. I only wish it didn't involve an innocent party (his wife).

 

[fleshconsumed]

I confess to not having read all 2400 posts and that's why I clarified my comments so you and others know to what I was referring

So you have selectively missed all of the Geekbabe's posts detailing her battle with cancer over the past few weeks? You haven't seen a single one of her posts about her personal struggle with cancer? Not one? How is that even possible?

 

[agent00f]

So you have selectively missed all of the Geekbabe's posts detailing her battle with cancer over the past few weeks? You haven't seen a single one of her posts about her personal struggle with cancer? Not one? How is that even possible?

I'm pretty sure he even replied to a bunch of them. Seems a pretty classic case of degens gonna degen.

 

[Bitek]

When an entire nation is being covered I would imagine most services & procedures will be covered. I can also see a situation where people can also supplement with a private plan.

Btw, private plan admistrators also have huge control. They collect & disperse money & decide rates for services. At least the government will have a MUCH bigger pool & more negotiating power.

Plus they are accountable to the public and serve at their pleasure. There is substantially less leverage with the private insurance groups in the system we have now.

My brother is also facing debilitating medical issues. Although not as serious as yours, he still lives in a constant state of pain, is still in his 30s, and has to spend considerable energy and out of pocket expenses to get coverage and treatment.
Even more problematic, it began with a workplace injury so he has had to negotiate legal issues and finger pointing between workmans comp and his private coverage, both trying to deny responsibility and minimise treatment. It's inhumane and wasteful.


In a public system, the voters themselves decide the quality and expense of our healthcare system.

Sadly, that point may be the biggest indictment against single payer in this country as it necessitates an informed voter acting in good faith towards his fellow countrymen. Not feeling highly confident of that assumption these days.

 

[Sea Ray]

So you have selectively missed all of the Geekbabe's posts detailing her battle with cancer over the past few weeks? You haven't seen a single one of her posts about her personal struggle with cancer? Not one? How is that even possible?

I read that she had a very serious cancer but I didn't catch the exact kind.

 

[Sea Ray]

All Sea Ray wants to be able to do is buy cheap insurance that provides very limited coverage so if anything really bad happens he can just declare bankruptcy and run away from the bill.

Right now I'll settle for any insurance. I can't buy any insurance for 2018.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

I read that she had a very serious cancer but I didn't catch the exact kind.

Although he can't see this...

Jumping Buddha on a pogo stick, it's not about what kind of fucking cancer it is, it's that it's in stage 4, she's near-retirement age, and you continuously say shit that amounts to you wishing her dead. When your own wife and maybe even you yourself might end up in the same circumstances if the people you're supporting get their way.

If there were any justice in this world, the cancer would teleport out of her lungs and into yours.

 

[Jhhnn]

Right now I'll settle for any insurance. I can't buy any insurance for 2018.

The open enrollment period doesn't even begin until Nov 1. Repubs have it within their power to ameliorate the situation before then.

 

[Sea Ray]

The open enrollment period doesn't even begin until Nov 1. Repubs have it within their power to ameliorate the situation before then.

Government doesn't have the power to force private companies to offer insurance. Gov't options are tricky here and I'm curious how it'll come down. My guess is it'll become a state problem.

 

[Geekbabe]

Right now I'll settle for any insurance. I can't buy any insurance for 2018.

I have insurance until Jan 1st 2018, it's already 10K a year, who knows how much it will cost then. Of course this assumes I will still be able to manage to drag myself to work then.

My joints are in agony, using the FMLA, it's a good thing

 

[Jhhnn]

Government doesn't have the power to force private companies to offer insurance. Gov't options are tricky here and I'm curious how it'll come down. My guess is it'll become a state problem.

I'm confident that insurers will offer coverage in your area if the govt agrees to cover any losses.

Too easy, obviously.

 

[Geekbabe]

Government doesn't have the power to force private companies to offer insurance. Gov't options are tricky here and I'm curious how it'll come down. My guess is it'll become a state problem.

Hey, you can always go get a regular job, if you hurry you will get through the 90 day probation period & be able to sign up for insurance via your employer

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I have insurance until Jan 1st 2018, it's already 10K a year, who knows how much it will cost then. Of course this assumes I will still be able to manage to drag myself to work then.

My joints are in agony, using the FMLA, it's a good thing

you are a freaking warrior. don't let anyone tell you differently. so very sorry you're going through this nightmare. here's hoping single payer will eventually wash out of this convoluted mess that is the ahca. and yes, I am also saying that for selfish reasons, I am a lifelong heart patient, and know as I get older, I will lean more an more heavily on insurance to keep me plodding along as my heart gets older and weaker

 

[Geekbabe]

you are a freaking warrior. don't let anyone tell you differently. so very sorry you're going through this nightmare. here's hoping single payer will eventually wash out of this convoluted mess that is the ahca. and yes, I am also saying that for selfish reasons, I am a lifelong heart patient, and know as I get older, I will lean more an more heavily on insurance to keep me plodding along as my heart gets older and weaker

Don't credit me with too much courage. The situation comes down to two options, work until I die ( pray for a quick heart attack or stroke) or bankrupting my family, dire poverty & death. Besides as many have told me, they will also be working till they die to pay off expensive homes so I need to get over myself.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Don't credit me with too much courage. The situation comes down to two options, work until I die ( pray for a quick heart attack or stroke) or bankrupting my family, dire poverty & death. Besides as many have told me, they will also be working till they die to pay off expensive homes so I need to get over myself.

you're a warrior. so there, nyah.

 

[Sea Ray]

Hey, you can always go get a regular job, if you hurry you will get through the 90 day probation period & be able to sign up for insurance via your employer

Getting a job with health benefits isn't that easy. There's a tire place here that just closed its doors and the guy I always dealt with is struggling with where to go next. He's also in his 50s and he told me that he can find other jobs; some that pay more than this one but he can't find anything that includes health ins which of course he needs.

Interesting you have that attitude though. If it was as easy as you say we never would have needed ACA, the exchanges and Medicaid. Just tell these poor folks who complain to get a job. If Republicans said that they'd get blasted around here

 

[Sea Ray]

I'm confident that insurers will offer coverage in your area if the govt agrees to cover any losses.

Too easy, obviously.

I don't know if it's that easy but if it is then that might happen at the last minute

 

[Jhhnn]

Getting a job with health benefits isn't that easy. There's a tire place here that just closed its doors and the guy I always dealt with is struggling with where to go next. He's also in his 50s and he told me that he can find other jobs; some that pay more than this one but he can't find anything that includes health ins which of course he needs.

Interesting you have that attitude though. If it was as easy as you say we never would have needed ACA, the exchanges and Medicaid. Just tell these poor folks who complain to get a job. If Republicans said that they'd get blasted around here

It's what we call sarcasm, son.

 

[Sea Ray]

It's what we call sarcasm, son.

Thanks Dad

 

[Geekbabe]

Getting a job with health benefits isn't that easy. There's a tire place here that just closed its doors and the guy I always dealt with is struggling with where to go next. He's also in his 50s and he told me that he can find other jobs; some that pay more than this one but he can't find anything that includes health ins which of course he needs.

Interesting you have that attitude though. If it was as easy as you say we never would have needed ACA, the exchanges and Medicaid. Just tell these poor folks who complain to get a job. If Republicans said that they'd get blasted around here

You are missing my point, you are probably earning more than double what I do, yet you complain about high premiums that also cover a 60 yr old with serious preexisting conditions.

Oh & I can't get another job, it would be unfair to a new company not to tell them about my situation & I doubt I could pass a preemployment physical or make it through 90 days without a sick call.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Willful ignorance.

For some, the plight of fellow citizens is not in their purview.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

What a complete irredeemable fucking asshole that guy is.