Passage of the ACHA Lays Bare The Hatred and Contempt in The Hearts of GOP Voters

[fskimospy]

See post 16.

That's the post I replied to and my point stands. The ACA worked out pretty well, especially for a first try. The idea that the ACA would reorganize 20% of the US economy and not have any parts of it that needed to be changed is a standard that no rational or objective person would use for that legislation or any other.

 

[senseamp]

Before anybody has an enormous case of the vapors, it has to go through the Senate first. If it clears that, people are gonna die. In the meantime, I'm going to put a fine polish on my hatred and contempt.

What's so curious is that Obamacare was doing so well. One third of counties in the U.S. had only one insurer, several states were about to lose their only insurer, premiums and deductibles were through the roof for far too many and so on. Why in the world would those vile GOP members want to fuck with a winning formula like that? Oh, that's right, hatred and contempt.

House is responsible for what they voted for. Just because someone stops it in the Senate, it doesn't absolve the House of its responsibility. When CBO does its estimate, we'll find out how many people the Republicans in the House voted to throw off health insurance.

 

[highland145]

That's the post I replied to and my point stands. The ACA worked out pretty well, especially for a first try. The idea that the ACA would reorganize 20% of the US economy and not have any parts of it that needed to be changed is a standard that no rational or objective person would use for that legislation or any other.

Says the guy that doesn't have a horse in the race.

 

[Jaskalas]

It also demonstrates their stupidity since so many of them don't understand the core concept of insurance.

To pool costs so that a large enough entity can soak them. As, individually, it is unaffordable.
To improve access to Healthcare the logical extension of that insurance is to pool to an ever bigger entity.
Unless, of course, they want to deny people Healthcare. At this point it is painfully obvious that is their goal.

I think all the anger at the GOP house is a little misdirected. Let's be honest, they were elected to do this.

Ask the GOP if they are hurting access to Healthcare. They will claim they are helping.
The voters too, believe this lie. It is not malicious to be the victim of a fantasy.

 

[Blackjack200]

What's so curious is that Obamacare was doing so well.

The Medicaid expansion worked wonderfully. Because it's a public program and public programs usually work well. The marketplace worked poorly because it involved insurance companies. If you want to improve the ACA, get rid of the insurance companies.

 

[dank69]

Says the guy that doesn't have a horse in the race.

Swear I remember Eskimo saying he has a pre-existing condition...

 

[umbrella39]

Before anybody has an enormous case of the vapors, it has to go through the Senate first. If it clears that, people are gonna die. In the meantime...

Sort of true.....

Republicans hold a narrow 52-seat majority in the chamber; because they will consider the bill under special budget rules that prevent a filibuster, the GOP will need only 51 votes to pass the health care bill.... yet another end around. just like in our dear old Michigan where everything is attached to spending so it can never be undone even by a 100% referendum...

 

[dank69]

Amazing how often this lie gets repeated. Pelosi was saying the bill needed to be passed so the American people could find out what's in it, not so that her own legislative members could. Also, the Democrats held a huge public debate, worked with the CBO to get scoring estimates at every step of the way, etc.

This bill really does draw a dramatic distinction between how Republican and Democratic legislators operate differently. The Democrats spent a year trying to make the best bill possible. The Republicans spent maybe a month and in the end they didn't even care what the effects were. The sheer incompetence is amazing.

The best part of all this for the GOP is that this hurts Democrats just as much as it hurts the GOP because half the nation instinctively believes both sides the same.

 

[Indus]

So will the deaths from the American Healthcare Act redefine the electoral map towards states with actual good healthcare where people aren't dying?

 

[HomerJS]

Before anybody has an enormous case of the vapors, it has to go through the Senate first. If it clears that, people are gonna die. In the meantime, I'm going to put a fine polish on my hatred and contempt.

What's so curious is that Obamacare was doing so well. One third of counties in the U.S. had only one insurer, several states were about to lose their only insurer, premiums and deductibles were through the roof for far too many and so on. Why in the world would those vile GOP members want to fuck with a winning formula like that? Oh, that's right, hatred and contempt.

Nobody has said the ACA didn't need repair. When Medicare was first enacted it was the same story. Everyone likes it today.

Since you seem to be so fond of what the GOP did riddle me this, where in the world does purely market based health insurance work?

 

[senseamp]

So will the deaths from the American Healthcare Act redefine the electoral map towards states with actual good healthcare where people aren't dying?

Pretty much laser targeted to kill off the Republican base as quickly as possible.

 

[fskimospy]

Says the guy that doesn't have a horse in the race.

Given my medical history I definitely have a horse in the race. The ACA wasn't perfect but its problems were actually pretty easy to solve. Shame that conservatives weren't interested in that.

 

[fskimospy]

The best part of all this for the GOP is that this hurts Democrats just as much as it hurts the GOP because half the nation instinctively believes both sides the same.

If this passes (or something like it) I do look forward to the inevitable claims from conservatives and Both Sides people where they will say 'sure the AHCA is horrible, but wasn't the ACA just as bad the other way?'

You know that's coming. David Brooks, I'm looking at you.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

@glenn1, I've reported your sociopathic horseshit. Not that anyone here had any doubt about you before this, but you've crossed a line with that one. I can only hope you end up in a situation where this sort of thing ruins your life; maybe then you'll grow a little common humanity.

 

[Indus]

Pretty much laser targeted to kill off the Republican base as quickly as possible.

As long as it includes Kim Davis, I wouldn't cry too much about it.

 

[Blackjack200]

Given my medical history I definitely have a horse in the race. The ACA wasn't perfect but its problems were actually pretty easy to solve. Shame that conservatives weren't interested in that.

The bill impacts everybody except members of congress and their staff, who keep the ACA.

Even if you have no preexisting conditions and employer coverage, the AHCA allows a return of lifetime coverage caps.

 

[highland145]

Given my medical history I definitely have a horse in the race. The ACA wasn't perfect but its problems were actually pretty easy to solve. Shame that conservatives weren't interested in that.

The ACA worked for some like Megan. It was a fucking disaster for me. The fixes could have started with HC costs but the ACA didn't and the AHCA won't.

If this passes (or something like it) I do look forward to the inevitable claims from conservatives and Both Sides people where they will say 'sure the AHCA is horrible, but wasn't the ACA just as bad the other way?'

You know that's coming. David Brooks, I'm looking at you.

The proposals I've seen are horrible and the ACA was just as bad. Costs will not go down.

 

[highland145]

The bill impacts everybody except members of congress and their staff, who keep the ACA.

This so much and here we are arguing about it while they wink and nod at each other.

 

[highland145]

@glenn1, I've reported your sociopathic horseshit. Not that anyone here had any doubt about you before this, but you've crossed a line with that one. I can only hope you end up in a situation where this sort of thing ruins your life; maybe then you'll grow a little common humanity.

link?

 

[Blackjack200]

The only realistic path to controlling costs is single payer. Medicare pays the lowest reimbursement rates, and they could probably be lowered quite a bit further if reimbursement rates in other countries are any indication.

 

[fskimospy]

The ACA worked for some like Megan. It was a fucking disaster for me. The fixes could have started with HC costs but the ACA didn't and the AHCA won't.

The ACA has tons of things in it explicitly designed to control and/or reduce health care costs. How do you not know this?

The proposals I've seen are horrible and the ACA was just as bad. Costs will not go down.

Health care inflation has been at the lowest rates in decades since the ACA passed. The AHCA looks to increase the rate of health care inflation. They are not even remotely equivalent. This is the sort of false equivalence that we're sure to see more of.

 

[Jaskalas]

The ACA has tons of things in it explicitly designed to control and/or reduce health care costs. How do you not know this?

The end result, people are paying more and more each year regardless.

Health care inflation has been at the lowest rates in decades since the ACA passed.

That's news to me, and I bet for a great many.

 

[Balt]

I don't think it's incompetence. I think it's malicious indifference.

A lot of both, I think. Paul Ryan certainly knows he's lying his ass off when he says this bill is about offering "choice". He knows people are going to lose their insurance. He just doesn't care.

Bordering on sociopathy, that one. Then there are some others in Congress who are just morons.

 

[jackstar7]

Following Nancy's lead.

Of course they read it. How else could they get their pocket lined the most. Just like the D's before them.

Apologize for lying. Or being so dumb. Whichever prompted this reply.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

@highland145: earlier in the thread, the "haha, you're poor!" meme. In most circumstances I wouldn't mind that, as most people posting it would be doing it ironically. But I've seen enough of Herr Nudelmann to know he means it and is actually taking pleasure in the suffering of those worse off than him.

I sincerely hope he reincarnates poor, and preferably one of more of Muslim, black, female, gay, and disabled, after he's done the stint in Hell he's set himself up for.