Passage of the ACHA Lays Bare The Hatred and Contempt in The Hearts of GOP Voters

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ch33zw1z

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No question there are extremists on both sides. I disagree that the problem is equal but we'll never agree on that. The issue here is who is an extremist? The ones using terms like degenerates sure qualify.

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And they love Trump. That's his base. Use Google and find out more.

Degenerate describes hateful righties so well, that's why they get all worked up about it. And ironically enough, epitomize the term snowflake on a daily basis.
 

Sea Ray

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ch33zw1z

Lifer
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I don't think it makes sense to use derogatory words to describe people based on who they vote for. That's a difference between you and me.

Talk to your cohorts. That's pretty much all they know how to do. Point fingers and blame others.

Pretending like you're better than others because you don't resort to name calling on a message board is laughable.

Click the link, and enjoy viewing how your party affiliation is full of degenerates.

Shit man, google degenerate and read the definition. Even that isn't comparable to what the right regularly slings around.
 

Sea Ray

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Talk to your cohorts. That's pretty much all they know how to do. Point fingers and blame others.

Pretending like you're better than others because you don't resort to name calling on a message board is laughable.

Click the link, and enjoy viewing how your party affiliation is full of degenerates.

Shit man, google degenerate and read the definition. Even that isn't comparable to what the right regularly slings around.

Where you go off the rails is assuming that I have cohorts. This isn't team sport. I don't support Republicans 100% of the time and I don't think Democrats are right 0% of the time. You obviously aren't comfortable with me calling out namecallers 'cause like smoking, it's a habit you can't break.

We had a shitty choice in November. Know who I would have voted for in a heartbeat? Leon Panetta. I don't know if he has any Presidential aspirations. My guess is he's too smart to want the headaches, but he'd be a guy who could bridge a lot of different groups. But I'm a degenerate so what do you care?
 

ch33zw1z

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Please. Off the rails? You are obviously on the rights side. Just the way you defend the AHCA and republicans in this thread alone shows it.

Are you a degenerate? Does the term apply to you? Why would you care if it doesn't? I throw the names the righties call others right back at them. It's pathetic to watch them call others names while they're looking in a mirror. This type of behavior is very much built into what Christians align themselves with nowadays. It's no surprise that it carries over to political nonsense as well.

Enjoy the time the republicans get to fuck the average American more...it's called winning.

PAC, Corporations are people, free speech is money - all goes directly against that this isn't a team sport. Money, power, and greed above all is created a team sport to keep the plebes occupied.

But go ahead and pretend like you don't partake.
 

Sea Ray

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Please. Off the rails? You are obviously on the rights side. Just the way you defend the AHCA and republicans in this thread alone shows it.

Are you a degenerate? Does the term apply to you? Why would you care if it doesn't?

Enjoy the time the republicans get to fuck the average American more...it's called winning.

I care because namecalling takes away from honest debate. I wish there was more of that here.
 

ch33zw1z

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I care because namecalling takes away from honest debate. I wish there was more of that here.

People have tried to have an honest debate multiple times regarding health care. You've used more than one thread to simply whine about it. Like others don't have it worse, or the ACA targeted just you somehow.

Even when others much more knowledgeable than you or I try to educate you, it's like you can't take the time to read their posts. You don't want answers, it's very clear you just want something other than the ACA. So enjoy....and feel free to peruse the link I gave you. The hate from the right is extreme. Much more extreme and enduring than anything I've seen from the left.
 

Sea Ray

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People have tried to have an honest debate multiple times regarding health care. You've used more than one thread to simply whine about it. Like others don't have it worse, or the ACA targeted just you somehow.

Even when others much more knowledgeable than you or I try to educate you, it's like you can't take the time to read their posts. You don't want answers, it's very clear you just want something other than the ACA. So enjoy....and feel free to peruse the link I gave you. The hate from the right is extreme. Much more extreme and enduring than anything I've seen from the left.

What I didn't do was resort to namecalling.

I'd much rather the news get back to healthcare. Something definitely needs to be done about it. Cleaning up the mess of Obamacare may not be possible
 

ch33zw1z

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What I didn't do was resort to namecalling.

I'd much rather the news get back to healthcare. Something definitely needs to be done about it. Cleaning up the mess of Obamacare may not be possible

I suggest you take the time to reread the thread. Your buddies on the right forced the mess out of sheer pride and partisan hackery.

If the ACA (deftly coined Obamacare by the right, again to get righties to hate it) fails, the Con's are carrying a large amount of blame.

And if the ACA failing gets us to Medicare for all and single payer....then good. But don't count on Con's to make it better. that would come about by not reducing regulation or cutting taxes for their corporate sponsers or super wealthy friends.

The majority of Con's wouldn't know something good for them if it literally saved their life....thank Obamacare.
 

ch33zw1z

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No thanks. I'm not going to read 660 posts based on your suggestion.

Why would you? You didn't read it the first time either.

You can google for the answers, try to avoid using Obamacare if you want legit answers though, call it the ACA and you'll get further.
 

Jhhnn

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People have tried to have an honest debate multiple times regarding health care. You've used more than one thread to simply whine about it. Like others don't have it worse, or the ACA targeted just you somehow.

Even when others much more knowledgeable than you or I try to educate you, it's like you can't take the time to read their posts. You don't want answers, it's very clear you just want something other than the ACA. So enjoy....and feel free to peruse the link I gave you. The hate from the right is extreme. Much more extreme and enduring than anything I've seen from the left.

Conservatives have been manipulated & induced into believing in a variety of lies for the last 40 years or so, culminating in this fit of pique & frustration- Trump as President. Their best qualities are turned against them in ways that are truly cruel.

They need an epiphany, a paradigm shift in the way they see themselves & the world around them.
 
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Sea Ray

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Why would you? You didn't read it the first time either.

You can google for the answers, try to avoid using Obamacare if you want legit answers though, call it the ACA and you'll get further.

I certainly haven't. I'm not going to read every post of threads this long. If there's something you want to bring to my attention for the purpose of discussion, please link it and I'll do the same.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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There's plenty to review, just in case you're curious how you got to where you are.
 

Jhhnn

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What I didn't do was resort to namecalling.

I'd much rather the news get back to healthcare. Something definitely needs to be done about it. Cleaning up the mess of Obamacare may not be possible

Republicans made a mess of it from the beginning, never even gave it a chance. They refused to adopt the Medicaid expansion. They refused to create State exchanges. They refused to fund risk corridors which is the source of your own problems. They refuse to recognize the fact that govt intervention in the market is necessary to have a healthy market. That's true of any market.

What they care about is finding ways to cut billionaire taxes regardless of the damage they cause to accomplish it.
 

agent00f

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Why must you comment on other posters personally? Can't you debate the issues and leave the personal stuff out of it? My guess is conservatives don't have a high opinion of you either but what's the point in going through that back and forth?

The far left has taken partisanship to a new level. Conservatives despised Barack Obama but they didn't take it the level of personally hating anyone who voted/supported him. That's unhealthy.

It's entirely apt to categorize people who advocate for genocide and their water boys as degenerates. No great surprise you agree with that guy on most matters enough to carry said water and think nothing of it, which is quite revealing of personal character. In fact it only reflects poorly on those who don't/won't make accurate & effective categorizations out of some sense of personal vanity, because it's certainly in the interests of degenerates that their behavior isn't pointed out.
 
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Jhhnn

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It's entirely apt to categorize people who advocate for genocide and their water boys as degenerates. No great surprise you agree with that guy on most matters enough to carry said water and think nothing of it, which is quite revealing of personal character. In fact it only reflects poorly on those who don't/won't make accurate & effective categorizations out of some sense of personal vanity, because it's certainly in the interests of degenerates that their behavior isn't pointed out.

You're trolling as hard as those of the Alt-right variety
 

Azuma Hazuki

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I don't see how @agent00f rightly pointing out that the kind of (lack of) character it takes to say and do those things is bordering on subhuman is trolling. How, precisely, is it trolling? Because he's going to get responses?

That's rather the point; the people he's talking about, like their obese orange leader, are creatures of solipsistic selfish egoism. They can't resist replying. They only make themselves look worse when they do. And this is all according to plan, because the only thing they respond to is pain and humiliation, and even then, they don't have any actual shame.
 

Sea Ray

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Republicans made a mess of it from the beginning, never even gave it a chance. They refused to adopt the Medicaid expansion. They refused to create State exchanges. They refused to fund risk corridors which is the source of your own problems. They refuse to recognize the fact that govt intervention in the market is necessary to have a healthy market. That's true of any market.

What they care about is finding ways to cut billionaire taxes regardless of the damage they cause to accomplish it.

This is precisely why it was failed legislation. The federal gov't doesn't have the power to tell the states to set up exchanges or adopt Medicaid expansion. Being a constitutional lawyer Obama should have known that. Republicans in the form of Chief Justice John Roberts did Democrats a huge favor by not throwing out Obamacare. It was clearly unconstitutional. Instead he did an end around which made little legal sense. He started by changing the words of Obama himself and called it a tax but if it's a tax then it's unconstitutional because all tax legislation has to begin in the House, not the Senate. He did this because he didn't want to be the one to take this down. He wanted the voters and the legislatures to decide what to do with ACA. I strongly disagree but that's why the law still stands today.

As for funding risk corridors, if the law is that fragile then it's not a very good law. Truth is that it's not a good move politically for any politician to sign off on sending taxpayer money to health insurance companies that are already making tons of it. These politicians would get primaried out due to signing off on corporate welfare.
 

Sea Ray

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It's entirely apt to categorize people who advocate for genocide and their water boys as degenerates. No great surprise you agree with that guy on most matters enough to carry said water and think nothing of it, which is quite revealing of personal character. In fact it only reflects poorly on those who don't/won't make accurate & effective categorizations out of some sense of personal vanity, because it's certainly in the interests of degenerates that their behavior isn't pointed out.

Killing Muslim terrorists is not genocide. It's what happens in war. Nobody is advocating killing Cat Stevens or Kareem Abdul Jabbar. By your definition Obama is guilty due to his use of drones to kill Muslims.
 

Stokely

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Obamacare at least partially failed because one party opposed it, and did everything in their power to oppose it.

The new bill will likely suffer the same fate.

Instead of being willing to work together and try to fix the issues with the ACA, it's being tossed out in favor of something similar yet worse. It's now most of a decade, you might think the party now in power would have had plenty of time to come up with something better. Instead it reads like something some interns hastily drew up when it suddenly became apparent that "oh shit, now that we can get rid of the ACA, something else needs to be there. Who knew!" And they have the gall to blame the Democrats for this. You won, you control everything, let's see what you got. Well, it ain't much.

At best, any health care bill is going to be flawed due to the complex nature of the problem(s) health care and insurance poses. There will be losers and winners in any bill. Compromise is needed. The time for compromise was years ago.
 

JMC2000

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If something wasn't thrown out by the Supreme Court, then technically, it isn't unconstitutional...

Just sayin'.
 
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