Passage of the ACHA Lays Bare The Hatred and Contempt in The Hearts of GOP Voters

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Jhhnn

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It isn't "my gut" it is basic supply and demand. Pump the market with cash and prices go up.

As an aside, what happens when we cut taxes for the investor class when asset prices are already at all time highs?

Or does you logic only apply to this particular thing?

What you offer is bullshit, anyway, considering that ACA cash pumped into healthcare lets people into the market who wouldn't be there otherwise.
 

JSt0rm

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As others have pointed out, "basic supply and demand" doesn't work well when the demand is relatively inelastic. Lacking aggressive price controls, it's a recipe for for price gouging and ever skyrocketing costs. It's not a coincidence that this is exactly what has happened in our profit-driven healthcare system.

More importantly, for anyone who actually caress about his fellow man, your approach to reducing demand works only to the extent it increases human suffering and death. People who are priced out of the healthcare market don't magically become well. They become more sick. and many will die unnecessarily.

We are the wealthiest country in the world. We are also purportedly a civilized country. This means we have both the financial ability and the moral obligation to take care of those who cannot take care of themselves.

but freedumb
 

buckshot24

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As others have pointed out, "basic supply and demand" doesn't work well when the demand is relatively inelastic. Lacking aggressive price controls, it's a recipe for for price gouging and ever skyrocketing costs. It's not a coincidence that this is exactly what has happened in our profit-driven healthcare system.

More importantly, for anyone who actually caress about his fellow man, your approach to reducing demand works only to the extent it increases human suffering and death. People who are priced out of the healthcare market don't magically become well. They become more sick. and many will die unnecessarily.

We are the wealthiest country in the world. We are also purportedly a civilized country. This means we have both the financial ability and the moral obligation to take care of those who cannot take care of themselves.
We can't afford the 1.2 trillion we spent on Medicare and Medicaid in 2015, how much more do you think we can spend?
 

Indus

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so getting back to that 'supply/demand' question...

So much cheaper to fly to India, get better treatment than in the USA and fly back.

Something is wrong when the other side of the world offers better healthcare and prescription drugs for fraction of the price than we do.
 

Bowfinger

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We can't afford the 1.2 trillion we spent on Medicare and Medicaid in 2015, how much more do you think we can spend?
First, you've once again dodged the issue of "basic supply and demand" not working well when the demand is relatively inelastic. We've tried it your way, and skyrocketing healthcare costs are the inevitable result.

To your question, America as a whole is already spending those dollars. They are simply passing through different pockets. A good universal healthcare system would optimize the dollar flow. More importantly, it would provide the means to better control costs, giving America overall better coverage and a lower cost. Our first-world peers have proven it works, again and again.
 

MrPickins

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That's more credit than I usually get around here. Pretty good for a guy with a sub 65 IQ, huh?

I don't think most people here consider you to be dumb. More like "willfully ignorant" (which I would argue is a worse thing).
 

fskimospy

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Trump is starting to see the light. He tweeted that they should just repeal and worry about replace later. If you do this you could possibly get some democrats on board. That should have been plan a.

Nobody is that stupid. You won't get Democrats on board by holding the nation's health care system hostage and intentionally throwing it into chaos. Instead, you and your party will own the chaos and suffering you willingly caused for political advantage.

How many times have we seen Trump try these hardball tactics just to see people ignore them? He really is a horrible deal maker.
 

Jhhnn

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First, you've once again dodged the issue of "basic supply and demand" not working well when the demand is relatively inelastic. We've tried it your way, and skyrocketing healthcare costs are the inevitable result.

To your question, America as a whole is already spending those dollars. They are simply passing through different pockets. A good universal healthcare system would optimize the dollar flow. More importantly, it would provide the means to better control costs, giving America overall better coverage and a lower cost. Our first-world peers have proven it works, again and again.

Well, yeh, but it means that the Rich pay proportionately more, progressive taxes being what they are.

Can't have that, not in Murica, not where the wealthy are worshiped as Gods.
 

Jhhnn

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Just how the hell is he in any way "clever"? The fact that people are dumb enough to try and debate him doesn't make him clever, it makes them something other than clever.

Yes, his success is obvious. He skips right down the line of being banned while directing conversation in the direction he wants it to go, which is nowhere.

None of what he offers is sincere in the slightest.
 

UberNeuman

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Just how the hell is he in any way "clever"? The fact that people are dumb enough to try and debate him doesn't make him clever, it makes them something other than clever.

Seriously, that's the truth of it. I don't know if it's a need to sound out or an act of self-aggrandisement.

However you cut it, it shows the absolute cowardice of those that purport to be "conservatives" around these parts to allow him to carry their water...
 
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Yes, his success is obvious. He skips right down the line of being banned while directing conversation in the direction he wants it to go, which is nowhere.

None of what he offers is sincere in the slightest.

That still doesn't make him clever. It still makes those who treat with him seriously less than clever (I'm trying to be polite here).
 

Sea Ray

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Trump is starting to see the light. He tweeted that they should just repeal and worry about replace later. If you do this you could possibly get some democrats on board. That should have been plan a.

I don't know if that's the best strategy but I do think they should go for a bipartisan bill. That'd take a lot of pressure off the Republicans. I don't think too many, if any, Dems want a bipartisan bill. They don't want Trump to have any legislative victories of working with the other side.
 

Sea Ray

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That's more credit than I usually get around here. Pretty good for a guy with a sub 65 IQ, huh?

Sounds like you've got pretty much the whole team against ya here. You're getting called names and pretty much getting the works. Wear this badge with honor.
 

UberNeuman

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I don't know if that's the best strategy but I do think they should go for a bipartisan bill. That'd take a lot of pressure off the Republicans. I don't think too many, if any, Dems want a bipartisan bill. They don't want Trump to have any legislative victories of working with the other side.

what would a "bipartisan bill" entail? you seem to have some ideas, so share them....
 
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ivwshane

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This is what a bubble dweller looks like folks. We have GOP leaders, on camera, saying they don't want to work with dems or that working with dems isn't an option. And this bubble dweller has the nerve to claim dems don't want to work with Republicans? Lol. Of course there are also Democrats on video starting that they would be willing to work with Republicans to fix the ACA.

Also notice how this bubble dweller frames the reasoning to work with Democrats, to take "pressure off the Republicans". Not to get a balanced bill, not because it's in the best interest of the people but because of nothing other than pure political reasons.

This guy deserves everything that's coming to him.


I don't know if that's the best strategy but I do think they should go for a bipartisan bill. That'd take a lot of pressure off the Republicans. I don't think too many, if any, Dems want a bipartisan bill. They don't want Trump to have any legislative victories of working with the other side.
 
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