Passage of the ACHA Lays Bare The Hatred and Contempt in The Hearts of GOP Voters

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Sea Ray

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what would a "bipartisan bill" entail? you seem to have some ideas, so share them....

It would entail Democrats supporting the bill. What would get Dems to support a bill in this political climate? Nothing that I can think of. There's no way they want to be a part of a bill that's successful on Trump's watch.
 

Sea Ray

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This is what a bubble dweller looks like folks. We have GOP leaders, on camera, saying they don't want to work with dems or that working with dems isn't an option. And this bubble dweller has the nerve to claim dems don't want to work with Republicans? Lol. Of course there are also Democrats on video starting that they would be willing to work with Republicans to fix the ACA.

Also notice how this bubble dweller frames the reasoning to work with Democrats, to take "pressure off the Republicans". Not to get a balanced bill, not because it's in the best interest of the people but because of nothing other than pure political reasons.

This guy deserves everything that's coming to him.

This guy deserves better healthcare options than what Obamacare gave him. In fact his situation can't get any worse so he's fine with anything that'll even give him an option
 

cytg111

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I don't know if that's the best strategy but I do think they should go for a bipartisan bill. That'd take a lot of pressure off the Republicans. I don't think too many, if any, Dems want a bipartisan bill. They don't want Trump to have any legislative victories of working with the other side.

And they shouldnt. The shit they pulled with Mitch McConnell at the helm... goddamn, no rest for the wicked and that is one wicked mofo.
 

Sea Ray

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Is he though? While what he might post is vile and hurtful you on the other hand are actually, literally, voting for people who are actively trying to take away health care from people.

Personally, a vile shit talker is preferable to one whose actions lead to despicable things.

Get a better fortune teller. Your Miss Cleo is crocked
 

cytg111

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I can't afford coverage right now under Obamacare and that was the Dem plan
Growing pains. That shit would have been sorted ages ago with a willing congress.

Here is your plan though, if you can tell you are about to come down with something serious, come to Europe. We got you.
 

Engineer

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It would entail Democrats supporting the bill. What would get Dems to support a bill in this political climate? Nothing that I can think of. There's no way they want to be a part of a bill that's successful on Trump's watch.

Maybe they don't want to be associated with this steaming pile of dung of a bill? Based on the fact that only 17% of ALL voters support it right now, can you blame them?

Meanwhile, the big old bad Obamacare is over 50% rating.

Why do we have those results? Fake polls and news?

It's funny that Mitch thought he was smart by pushing out the 'really bad cuts' from healthcare past the 10 year mark. Since the CBO usually only projects to 10 years, he thought he would beat the system. When the CBO did a second decade of projections with the much bigger cuts (that take place after 10 years), it really showed what a pile of shit this bill and the GOP are for pushing it.

Edit: It's only 12%...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...care-trump-senate-health-care-plan/103249346/

I'll throw this out there too. When the voters start getting itchy, politicians change their tunes.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/30/15900564/health-bill-politics-midterms

Wouldn't want to start a wave election right now, would they?
 
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Sea Ray

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Just ignore the reprobate sack of shit. He sold his soul and he can't be saved. Degenerates and sociopaths don't give a damn about anything unless and until it affects them personally.

Can you state anything that's accurate? I care an awful lot about radical Muslim terrorism yet it's never hit me personally.

Want another example? You think every pro life conservative has been affected personally by an abortion?

Think next time you post. Otherwise you're just wasting our time.
 

Sea Ray

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Growing pains. That shit would have been sorted ages ago with a willing congress.

Here is your plan though, if you can tell you are about to come down with something serious, come to Europe. We got you.

I'll limp around a long time while waiting in line in Europe to get my procedure done.
 

Engineer

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I'll limp around a long time while waiting in line in Europe to get my procedure done.

You should go to India. It's cheaper and no lines. You could try Mexico too. They have a nice universal health care system too. I would suggest Cuba, who also has universal coverage, but T-Rump blocked going there, for the most part, again!
 

Sea Ray

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Maybe they don't want to be associated with this steaming pile of dung of a bill? Based on the fact that only 17% of ALL voters support it right now, can you blame them?

Meanwhile, the big old bad Obamacare is over 50% rating.

Why do we have those results? Fake polls and news?

It's funny that Mitch thought he was smart by pushing out the 'really bad cuts' from healthcare past the 10 year mark. Since the CBO usually only projects to 10 years, he thought he would beat the system. When the CBO did a second decade of projections with the much bigger cuts (that take place after 10 years), it really showed what a pile of shit this bill and the GOP are for pushing it.

It's natural that the people will side with the devil they know rather than the unknown.

If the Dems really want to play ball they should present their own bipartisan bill with other Repubs like Graham and Collins and let's see what it looks like
 

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It would entail Democrats supporting the bill. What would get Dems to support a bill in this political climate? Nothing that I can think of. There's no way they want to be a part of a bill that's successful on Trump's watch.
On the contrary, if the Republicans proposed a bill that actually met Trump's promises, I'll bet most Democrats would support it. Here's what Donnie and his team promised:
  • “I am going to take care of everybody … Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.”
  • “We’re going to have insurance for everybody.”
  • "There will be no cuts to Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid"
  • “We don't want anyone who currently has insurance to not have insurance”
  • "Nobody will be worse off financially"
Get back to us when Republicans submit a bill that meets those promises.
 

Engineer

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It's natural that the people will side with the devil they know rather than the unknown.

If the Dems really want to play ball they should present their own bipartisan bill with other Repubs like Graham and Collins and let's see what it looks like

Well, they need at least 7 years. That's how long the GOP has had to come up with something and look what that got us.
 

Sea Ray

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My recollection is the dems plan was single payer but then some teabaggers started freaking stupid people out over death panels. Thanks teabaggers!

The truth is even the Dems aren't all together on single payer. In fact the Hillary Clinton wing of the party isn't for it:

She added, "People who have health emergencies can't wait for us to have a theoretical debate about some better idea that will never, ever come to pass."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-single-payer-health-care-will-never-ever-happen/

Single payer is so unpopular that neither major party candidate supported it in the last Presidential election
 

Engineer

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Maybe someone could bring us a Facebook posting from someone who had a horrible healthcare experience in Europe and then we could have a FB back and forth. That'd really be fun.

You're a someone, right? Have at it.

You can find horrible healthcare experience EVERYWHERE, no matter the system. We just happen to have lots more horrible than the rest of the world. Our neighbors just North and South don't have these issues, regardless of the rhetoric. I've spent months in Mexico and especially Canada and they think our healthcare system is just crazy. They also laugh when asked about how bad their system is and every single Canadian that I talked to said they would take theirs hands down. I know, my sample of people isn't big enough. I'm sure you'll match it person per person with an opposite reaction.
 

Sea Ray

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Well, they need at least 7 years. That's how long the GOP has had to come up with something and look what that got us.

The reality here is that Obamacare screwed things up so badly it can't be fixed with one reconciliation bill
 

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Jaskalas

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I can't afford coverage right now under Obamacare and that was the Dem plan

And if you cannot soak the costs now, how do you expect to do so without government subsidy?
There is only one entity large enough to cover healthcare costs, to properly act as insurance.
 

Sea Ray

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You're a someone, right? Have at it.

You can find horrible healthcare experience EVERYWHERE, no matter the system. We just happen to have lots more horrible than the rest of the world. Our neighbors just North and South don't have these issues, regardless of the rhetoric. I've spent months in Mexico and especially Canada and they think our healthcare system is just crazy. They also laugh when asked about how bad their system is and every single Canadian that I talked to said they would take theirs hands down. I know, my sample of people isn't big enough. I'm sure you'll match it person per person with an opposite reaction.

Hey if it's so easy fine. Put the plan together and let's see it. Our Congress hasn't done that in a generation
 

Engineer

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The reality here is that Obamacare screwed things up so badly it can't be fixed with one reconciliation bill

This reconciliation bill will FUBAR anything that's left. That's why the GOP are now looking to just repeal and replace later. Even they realize that it's a steaming pile of dung.
 

Sea Ray

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And if you cannot soak the costs now, how do you expect to do so without government subsidy?

Gov't subsidies don't help me but maybe if I'm not forced to pay for the folks who aren't paying, I'll be able to afford mine. Did you ever think of that?
 
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