They realize that they don't have the votes and that doesn't surprise me. This is really complicated stuff
This reconciliation bill will FUBAR anything that's left. That's why the GOP are now looking to just repeal and replace later. Even they realize that it's a steaming pile of dung.
Hey if it's so easy fine. Put the plan together and let's see it. Our Congress hasn't done that in a generation
The truth is even the Dems aren't all together on single payer. In fact the Hillary Clinton wing of the party isn't for it:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-single-payer-health-care-will-never-ever-happen/
Single payer is so unpopular that neither major party candidate supported it in the last Presidential election
Were you one of the morons preaching about death panels?
You mean healthcare is hard ((C) - T-Rump, Inc.)? Is that why the GOP has thrown two plans together in a matter of weeks for 1/6 of the economy?
The blueprint is already there. Just pick and choose the best of the industrialized world plans and put them together. Go from there.
Gov't subsidies don't help me
Gov't subsidies don't help me but maybe if I'm not forced to pay for the folks who aren't paying, I'll be able to afford mine. Did you ever think of that?
Indeed, which is exactly why Republicans still resist universal coverage, even though our first-world peers have proven it will lower costs and provide better outcomes overall.It's natural that the people will side with the devil they know rather than the unknown. ...
Indeed, which is exactly why Republicans still resist universal coverage, even though our first-world peers have proven it will lower costs and provide better outcomes overall.
No I was not in favor of the ACA. You know that our healthcare system was broke prior to the ACA right?I've never preached about death panels. Were you one of the morons who said if I like my plan I can keep it?
but...but....but....long wait times.
I thought comedy was supposed to be in OT or the "And" thread. This shit is pure gold.
Gov't subsidies don't help me but maybe if I'm not forced to pay for the folks who aren't paying, I'll be able to afford mine. Did you ever think of that?
Why not? Insurance under Medicare Plan B is less than $200 / month. A $100,000 surgery is reduced to $400.
Are you telling me you'd oppose Medicare styled insurance, aka government subsidy?
The failure of ACA is it tried to mandate coverage without paying for it. We can help people if we do not compromise.
Are you smart enough to realize that unless you turn away people who don't or can't pay, you're still paying? The working man and their employers who provide insurance are paying for EVERYONE else. You're either going to turn them away or you're going to pay for them in a shitty, inefficient system that includes write offs, bill collectors, people losing everything (even with insurance). All you're worried about is that you've got yours and can you cut the demand down enough for healthcare so you can get it cheaper, by any means necessary. Lets be honest here.
The ACA thought of that, thus the mandate to buy insurance.
Undoing that means we go back to the free rider system
No I was not in favor of the ACA. You know that our healthcare system was broke prior to the ACA right?
That's the line I was fed in 2010. 7 yrs later my premiums have tripled. I'm not buyin' it anymore
Absolutely, yet somehow Obama managed to make it worse. At issue were the 15% who get their insurance on the individual market. He's made that situation much worse. The premiums have tripled and our choices were cut. Some areas have no choices at all now. That's screwed up
IIRC, T-Rump ordered the IRS not to enforce the fines for not having insurance. If that's the case, the mandate is meaningless. I'm not sure how he can selectively enforce a law on the books but, if true, that seems to be the case.
Absolutely, yet somehow Obama managed to make it worse. At issue were the 15% who get their insurance on the individual market. He's made that situation much worse. The premiums have tripled and our choices were cut. Some areas have no choices at all now. That's screwed up
Yep more active sabotage to make it fail so people will buy whatever horrible plan the GOP wants to push next year.He seems to be doing all he can to ensure a crisis in the insurance market if the current GOP plans fail. I've been saying for a while that the next open enrollment is going to be a disaster if the teens continues.
No you wont.I'll limp around a long time while waiting in line in Europe to get my procedure done.
Hey if it's so easy fine. Put the plan together and let's see it. Our Congress hasn't done that in a generation