Passage of the ACHA Lays Bare The Hatred and Contempt in The Hearts of GOP Voters

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Geekbabe

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You're right it's all about winners and losers. That's the point I'm making. Just don't complain to me that people will be losing their insurance under a GOP plan. No one's going to be losing anything. They'll merely be forced to do what Geekbabe and I are doing already...working our butts off in order to pay for health insurance. Don't tell me they can't afford it. We can't afford it either.

The day is going to come when I won't be able to work...plus look at kids with complex medical needs, as things stand one parent serves as a constant caregiver while the other is most likely working multiple jobs. What about older people facing 5X premiums? The disabled? Premature babies? None of those people will be able to just " work their butts off"
 
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agent00f

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You're right it's all about winners and losers. That's the point I'm making. Just don't complain to me that people will be losing their insurance under a GOP plan. No one's going to be losing anything. They'll merely be forced to do what Geekbabe and I are doing already...working our butts off in order to pay for health insurance. Don't tell me they can't afford it. We can't afford it either.

Generally speaking for taxes, unless you make well above six figures you're not really subsidizing anyone. Always amusing when low iq/edu trumpsters love to whine they're being bilked to pay for welfare queens when the largely blue demographic are subsidizing the white nationalists.
 

Sea Ray

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The day is going to come when I won't be able to work...plus look at kids with complex medical needs, as things stand one parent serves as a constant caregiver while the other is most likely working multiple jobs. What about older people facing 5X premiums? The disabled? Premature babies? None of those people will be able to just " work their butts off"

They'll be means tested as they were before Obamacare. We had Medicaid long before 2010
 

Sea Ray

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He's trying to compare dirt cheap life in Ohio to boston, lol.

Keep trying GB, maybe it'll get through.

"Can't afford it" knows no city. It can apply anywhere. As for Boston doesn't Romneycare deal with this?
 

Sea Ray

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Generally speaking for taxes, unless you make well above six figures you're not really subsidizing anyone. Always amusing when low iq/edu trumpsters love to whine they're being bilked to pay for welfare queens when the largely blue demographic are subsidizing the white nationalists.

As I've stated before, as a percentage I'm taxed a great deal
 

Jhhnn

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Exactly right. Taxing only billionaires won't fund shit 'cause there's so few of them, hence my point. This isn't about billionaires.

Your point is duly noted. OTOH, it's Repubs' radical right billionaire donors leaning on them the hardest & having the most to gain. Their power within the Party can make or break any candidate they choose. Play along & they'll help you out, otherwise they'll sic the Teahadis on your ass in the primary. The AFP & every other right wing media manipulator will bury you under a tsunami of slime.

Kiss the ring, you fools- the sphincter ring.

It's all the end result of indulging the insurgency of the plutocracy & the concentration of wealth far too much. They now think they own the govt because of their economic clout & can do with it as they will. Decades of poisoning people's minds & buying Repub politicians has been a very good investment for them. They'll likely plow any tax cuts right back into the effort, too.

Satisfying their lust for profit & power won't leave much behind for the rest of us, bet on that.
 

Jhhnn

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You're right it's all about winners and losers. That's the point I'm making. Just don't complain to me that people will be losing their insurance under a GOP plan. No one's going to be losing anything. They'll merely be forced to do what Geekbabe and I are doing already...working our butts off in order to pay for health insurance. Don't tell me they can't afford it. We can't afford it either.

Bootstraps! They fix everything!

Comparing yourself to Geekbabe won't get you any sympathy. Lots of people would willingly trade places with you & be thrilled to pay your taxes & insurance rates. That can't be said of her. You're living well & she's got the dark work 'til you die version of the American Dream.
 

Azuma Hazuki

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There are a lot of people in this thread who are going to end up in Hell, and then reincarnate somewhere where "water treatment" involves boiling it for a bit before drinking it...
 

cytg111

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I might be paying 50%ish in taxes but thank god ill never have to worry about that, job or not. Thoughts go out to you GB.
 
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Sea Ray

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Your point is duly noted. OTOH, it's Repubs' radical right billionaire donors leaning on them the hardest & having the most to gain. Their power within the Party can make or break any candidate they choose. Play along & they'll help you out, otherwise they'll sic the Teahadis on your ass in the primary. The AFP & every other right wing media manipulator will bury you under a tsunami of slime.

Kiss the ring, you fools- the sphincter ring.

It's all the end result of indulging the insurgency of the plutocracy & the concentration of wealth far too much. They now think they own the govt because of their economic clout & can do with it as they will. Decades of poisoning people's minds & buying Repub politicians has been a very good investment for them. They'll likely plow any tax cuts right back into the effort, too.

Satisfying their lust for profit & power won't leave much behind for the rest of us, bet on that.

I really don't see the Republicans cornering the market on billionaires. I don't see billionaires like George Soros, Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Paul Allen or Jeff Bezos supporting Republican causes. In many cases I see just the opposite.
 

Sea Ray

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No, she has insurance through work. You can't just opt out of employer healthcare and jump on the government provided one.

You're affording it just fine. Geek babe has it much tougher than you do.

You have no idea if I'm affording it just fine. Just another example of how you don't get it
 

Sea Ray

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Bootstraps! They fix everything!

Comparing yourself to Geekbabe won't get you any sympathy. Lots of people would willingly trade places with you & be thrilled to pay your taxes & insurance rates. That can't be said of her. You're living well & she's got the dark work 'til you die version of the American Dream.

I'm not looking for sympathy and I don't think Geekbabe is either. If you saw this clearly you'd see that Republicans are suffering under the current system too. If you dislike the COBRA laws then look no further than Obamacare. We're operating under that law right now
 

Jhhnn

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I really don't see the Republicans cornering the market on billionaires. I don't see billionaires like George Soros, Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Paul Allen or Jeff Bezos supporting Republican causes. In many cases I see just the opposite.

When did they cajole & buy off congress to cut their own taxes at the societal cost of dumping millions out of healthcare coverage? They're not whining about how oppressed they are by unbearable taxes.

Right wing billionaires are another matter entirely & that's who repubs serve. They're high priests at the altar of greed.
 
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Those that are calling for universal health care, single payer, Medicare for all. Pick your term. They all mean the gov't taking over the entire health system

Single payer, for example, is *not* taking over the entire health system. It is simply a govt run payment system for health care which is generally referred to as govt run health insurance which covers the entire population.

"Single-payer healthcare is a healthcare system in which the state, financed by taxes, covers basic healthcare costs for all residents regardless of income, occupation, or health status."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-payer_healthcare

It does not run the actual provision of health care (i.e. your family doctor is self employed).

You need to educate yourself as it's clear that you don't actually understand the terms that you are trying to debate.
 

Jhhnn

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I'm not looking for sympathy and I don't think Geekbabe is either. If you saw this clearly you'd see that Republicans are suffering under the current system too. If you dislike the COBRA laws then look no further than Obamacare. We're operating under that law right now

Repubs just don't understand why they're suffering- it's their leadership's slavish devotion to the financial elite over the last few decades & the shift in national income share to the top.

Consult table 5-

https://taxfoundation.org/summary-latest-federal-income-tax-data-2015-update

Since 1980, the income share of the lower 75% has fallen by a quarter, 11% of the total. The income share of the top 1% has more than doubled, rising by nearly 11%.

That redistribution of income has been very damaging to the middle class but you wouldn't know it the way conservatives keep voting for that good ol' trickle down feeling

The sad truth is that the only way we'll get that back is with taxes & redistribution of our own making. The ACA is part of that. What's wrong with the ACA is that it doesn't go far enough.
 

Sea Ray

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When did they cajole & buy off congress to cut their own taxes at the societal cost of dumping millions out of healthcare coverage? They're not whining about how oppressed they are by unbearable taxes.

Right wing billionaires are another matter entirely & that's who repubs serve. They're high priests at the altar of greed.

OK, so billionaires are fine. It's just those dastardly right wing billionaires that we ought to hate. All right. Let's not drag down those good billionaires by lumping them in with the Kochs. It's kinda like lumping legal and illegal immigrants...
 

Sea Ray

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Repubs just don't understand why they're suffering- it's their leadership's slavish devotion to the financial elite over the last few decades & the shift in national income share to the top.

Consult table 5-

https://taxfoundation.org/summary-latest-federal-income-tax-data-2015-update

Since 1980, the income share of the lower 75% has fallen by a quarter, 11% of the total. The income share of the top 1% has more than doubled, rising by nearly 11%.

That redistribution of income has been very damaging to the middle class but you wouldn't know it the way conservatives keep voting for that good ol' trickle down feeling

The sad truth is that the only way we'll get that back is with taxes & redistribution of our own making. The ACA is part of that. What's wrong with the ACA is that it doesn't go far enough.

So why did the income disparity get even worse under 8 yrs of Obama?
 

Sea Ray

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You're fighting cancer as well?

I am not. I've been very blessed. My wife is a breast cancer survivor but that's not the point. I didn't say my situation was exactly the same. It's similar in that I too am working my tail end off to pay exorbitant health insurance costs. Thanks for your interest in my health.
 

Azuma Hazuki

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The interest wasn't in your health, asshole. That was a polite way of saying "Don't you dare equate your situation with Geekbabe's."

You don't seem to be that great at taking hints...which is no surprise, as you're as self-centered as a gyroscope.
 
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