Passage of the ACHA Lays Bare The Hatred and Contempt in The Hearts of GOP Voters

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Sea Ray

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Actually a lot of Doctors like working for hospitals, less headaches with staffing & running a practice, less overhead & malpractice insurance gets added in as a benefit. If they are researchers, working in a place like MGH is ideal for them.

I haven't talked to one who likes it. Typically it works like this: Drs are paid very well the first yr or two, then the pay goes down and the work goes up. The hospital cuts his staff and cuts the amount of time he's allowed per patient. It's really quite ugly.
 

Sea Ray

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Do you understand that ACA offers your wife important protections? She won't be refused insurance or put in a sick pool? More importantly she won't face annual caps or lifetime limits on her care? If she gets sick again you won't lose your home?

I have a question, your wife has faced serious illness, how old is she & how is she insured now?

She's 60 and yes we have insurance right now but I've been told that we live in an area where there will be no ins co's offering individual plans in 2018. None. There was only one last yr. So I have very little to lose at this point.
 

Sea Ray

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My health insurance costs are high for two reasons

1. I get private insurance through an employer

2. I chose the much more expensive PPO plan over the narrower network cheaper option because it allows me to continue cancer care at MGH with a care team I have been with for almost 3 yrs. Yes, I had a "choice" but in this situation feel I made the most logical decision.

Your costs are high because your state refused Medicaid expansion or you make more money than the limit to get a subsidy.

Actually my Republican state (Ohio) took the Medicaid expansion but regardless I'm not eligible for that or any other subsidies 'cause Obamacare doesn't care if health ins eats up a huge percentage of my income
 

Sea Ray

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You don't understand how single payer works. Until you understand it you are not able to have a meaningful discussion about it. Educate yourself please.

All it really does is replace a bunch of private and for profit insurance companies with a 'single payer'. In the case of Canada, that is the govt. Note: the federal govt does not run a national plan. They simply set the basic guidelines, enforce issues like portability between provinces and provide part of the funding. The individual provinces and territories each run their own plan. As I said, the actual provision of health care is provided, for the vast majority of Canadians, by private sector medical practices.

As I already explained, if the gov't is making the decisions I outlined then it is a gov't takeover.
 

fskimospy

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She's 60 and yes we have insurance right now but I've been told that we live in an area where there will be no ins co's offering individual plans in 2018. None. There was only one last yr. So I have very little to lose at this point.

And you realize one of the explicit reasons given for that company exiting was that Republicans were sabotaging the law, right? Why would you support the plan of the people who deliberately sabotaged your wife's access to insurance?

Also, if your wife is 60 then I hope you like paying much higher premiums.

http://www.kff.org/interactive/tax-...-act-vs-replacement-proposal-interactive-map/

I put your income in at $100k, and according to KFF you're looking at somewhere around an $8,000 increase in premiums yearly and that's before the additional cost sharing you're going to be responsible for. You're picking your own pocket, lol.
 
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She's 60 and yes we have insurance right now but I've been told that we live in an area where there will be no ins co's offering individual plans in 2018. None. There was only one last yr. So I have very little to lose at this point.

Do you understand that at age 60, unless she's been collecting SSDI as a lot of cancer patients do, for more than two years & has Medicare that she will be deemed uninsurable & placed in a sick pool if Ted Cruz gets his way? Add another 25K per year to your bill, not counting the cost of your plan. Oh yeah, and if you are over age 55 your plan will be 5X as much!

I was stupid, I should have bit the bullet & gone on disability when I was first diagnosed because now I would have Medicare. Work felt important to me though, a part of my identity. Also working kept my family insured, not just me, Foolish me, I could have gotten a COBRA extension based on disability, spent all of my 403B on premiums and been covered till Medicare kicked in but I didn't want to leave my family with nothing!
 
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Geekbabe

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I haven't talked to one who likes it. Typically it works like this: Drs are paid very well the first yr or two, then the pay goes down and the work goes up. The hospital cuts his staff and cuts the amount of time he's allowed per patient. It's really quite ugly.

My Oncologist sees patients only two days a week, the rest of her time is spent in her research lab building mouse models to fight cancer. She looks pretty happy with this arrangement.
 

Azuma Hazuki

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I just feel sorry for his wife. She's going to end up an unwilling human sacrifice to his political idols.
 

Geekbabe

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She is going to be charged 5X what they pay now, unless they can somehow put her in a sick pool & jack that price up to around 25K with limited benefits. He also faces paying 5X in premiums for his own coverage.
 

Sea Ray

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Do you understand that at age 60, unless she's been collecting SSDI as a lot of cancer patients do, for more than two years & has Medicare that she will be deemed uninsurable & placed in a sick pool if Ted Cruz gets his way? Add another 25K per year to your bill, not counting the cost of your plan. Oh yeah, and if you are over age 55 your plan will be 5X as much!

I was stupid, I should have bit the bullet & gone on disability when I was first diagnosed because now I would have Medicare. Work felt important to me though, a part of my identity. Also working kept my family insured, not just me, Foolish me, I could have gotten a COBRA extension based on disability, spent all of my 403B on premiums and been covered till Medicare kicked in but I didn't want to leave my family with nothing!

Ted Cruz won't get his way and as for 5x as much, it all depends on what x is. If x goes down then 5x won't be anymore than it is now. If x doesn't go down then the Republicans have screwed up.
 

fskimospy

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Ted Cruz won't get his way and as for 5x as much, it all depends on what x is. If x goes down then 5x won't be anymore than it is now. If x doesn't go down then the Republicans have screwed up.

All empirical analysis indicates that 5x will be much, much more than it is now.
 

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Ted Cruz won't get his way and as for 5x as much, it all depends on what x is. If x goes down then 5x won't be anymore than it is now. If x doesn't go down then the Republicans have screwed up.

Do you seriously think these guys are going to give a 60 year old woman with a history of cancer and heart problems cheaper insurance? Also you'll be hitting the magic age of 55 fairly soon, 5X premiums for you too!

Don't you understand? These guys want people like your wife & I to be priced out of the insurance market, the hope is that we will get sick & die before we are able to draw a single social security check. If we can be forced into losing everything we own in the process, all the better!

Read the last CBO score on expected savings through reduced social security benefits!

They of course get to keep their ACA plans!
 
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Jhhnn

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So why did the income disparity get even worse under 8 yrs of Obama?
Actually my Republican state (Ohio) took the Medicaid expansion but regardless I'm not eligible for that or any other subsidies 'cause Obamacare doesn't care if health ins eats up a huge percentage of my income

We've been over this so many times that you're starting to look like a troll

It's because

1. Repubs refuse to fund risk corridor payments & others, as well.

2. Repubs control Congress & oppose the ACA actually working as intended. They want tax cuts for the wealthy at any price to the rest of us that will keep them in office.

3. Insurers are forcing the situation, simply refusing to offer coverage in high risk areas because experience with Repubs indicates that they won't get paid if they lose money in those areas.

Yes, you're getting screwed. You refuse to recognize that you're suffering from a form of Munchausen by proxy. You're being abused by the people you trust.
 

Azuma Hazuki

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He doesn't even care about his wife. Not above his supposed principles. Someone figure out who she is and show him this. She ought to divorce him and rip his balls out through his wallet.
 

Sea Ray

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Do you seriously think these guys are going to give a 60 year old woman with a history of cancer and heart problems cheaper insurance? Also you'll be hitting the magic age of 55 fairly soon, 5X premiums for you too!

Don't you understand? These guys want people like your wife & I to be priced out of the insurance market, the hope is that we will get sick & die before we are able to draw a single social security check. If we can be forced into losing everything we own in the process, all the better!

Read the last CBO score on expected savings through reduced social security benefits!

They of course get to keep their ACA plans!

The House bill gave nice tax credits based on age. I prefer that to the Senate bill. I'm also counting on getting a cheaper plan by cutting out the Essential Benefits...but in the end, an expensive plan is better than no plan and that's what I'm facing for 2018.
 

Sea Ray

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We've been over this so many times that you're starting to look like a troll

It's because

1. Repubs refuse to fund risk corridor payments & others, as well.

2. Repubs control Congress & oppose the ACA actually working as intended. They want tax cuts for the wealthy at any price to the rest of us that will keep them in office.

3. Insurers are forcing the situation, simply refusing to offer coverage in high risk areas because experience with Repubs indicates that they won't get paid if they lose money in those areas.

Yes, you're getting screwed. You refuse to recognize that you're suffering from a form of Munchausen by proxy. You're being abused by the people you trust.

You refuse to understand that denying those corridors was a bipartisan decision signed by Obama.

Why would insurers blame politicians for a policy between me and them? That's nuts. If I don't pay the premium they'll drop me quicker than you can reply.

I won't call you names like a troll but you're just babbling and making no sense
 

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The House bill gave nice tax credits based on age. I prefer that to the Senate bill. I'm also counting on getting a cheaper plan by cutting out the Essential Benefits...but in the end, an expensive plan is better than no plan and that's what I'm facing for 2018.

OMG, those tax credits aren't nearly enough to offset how much your policies are going to cost! Also, if you cut out essential benefits you also invite lifetime limits & annual caps. What about your poor wife?
 

brycejones

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I'm also counting on getting a cheaper plan by cutting out the Essential Benefits

Yes, you already know exactly how you will get sick and what coverage you need to address it. Sounds legit.

You understand its cheaper because it covers less and most likely what is covered will be covered at a reduced amount right? So you're on the hook potentially for significantly more and have a greater risk of going bankrupt because you got sick.
 
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Geekbabe

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He doesn't even care about his wife. Not above his supposed principles. Someone figure out who she is and show him this. She ought to divorce him and rip his balls out through his wallet.
He doesn't even care about his wife. Not above his supposed principles. Someone figure out who she is and show him this. She ought to divorce him and rip his balls out through his wallet.
I won't say he doesn't care about his wife but before ACA divorces were fairly common as families were desperate to try to keep the family home from being taken to satisfy medical debt.

Women facing cancer are also more likely to be left by their husband than women who tend to stay & do the bulk of the physical care taking. Look at Newt Gingrich, didn't he divorce his first wife during her cancer battle?
 

Azuma Hazuki

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All I can say is, if I were his wife and saw the shit he was posting here, I'd file for divorce immediately on the grounds of him not actually giving a damn about me.
 
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