This is precisely why it was failed legislation. The federal gov't doesn't have the power to tell the states to set up exchanges or adopt Medicaid expansion. Being a constitutional lawyer Obama should have known that. Republicans in the form of Chief Justice John Roberts did Democrats a huge favor by not throwing out Obamacare. It was clearly unconstitutional. Instead he did an end around which made little legal sense. He started by changing the words of Obama himself and called it a tax but if it's a tax then it's unconstitutional because all tax legislation has to begin in the House, not the Senate. He did this because he didn't want to be the one to take this down. He wanted the voters and the legislatures to decide what to do with ACA. I strongly disagree but that's why the law still stands today.
As for funding risk corridors, if the law is that fragile then it's not a very good law. Truth is that it's not a good move politically for any politician to sign off on sending taxpayer money to health insurance companies that are already making tons of it. These politicians would get primaried out due to signing off on corporate welfare.
You obfuscate magnificently in an effort to maintain belief. If the ACA fails it will be because of Repub efforts to force failure. Their vision of how govt should work favors the financial elite entirely. I mean, it's not like billionaires really need health insurance, is it?
Never gonna happen. These days, to be "conservative" in the US is to be evil, stupid, or both. All I can hope for is that our good buddy Sea Ray here ends up getting sick with something the ACA could have saved him from after it's repealed.
I don't get this weird level of vitriol. It's been present in conservatives for decades about liberals but now the constant toxicity seems to be infecting the left as well. It's gross.
Yes, Sea Ray's opinions on the ACA are misinformed and stupid. Yes, he argues childishly about them and is uninterested in honest debate. That doesn't mean that somehow the best outcome is for him to learn these lessons through some sort of horrible illness.
@fskimospy: it's not vitriol. Simply put, my observation of people like him, and "conservatives" in general, is that their massively over-active ingroup loyalties mean that they do not learn, period, until the thing in question happens to them. It's not outright sociopathy, but something more like having fallen past the event horizon of a black hole.
If you can find a better alternative to "learning a lesson" I'm all ears. So far I haven't seen anything from anyone that is effective.
So to be clear you think it is preferable for him to be stricken by illness in order to learn his politics are dumb? It's hard for me to see how that's a preferable outcome.
Maybe some ways of teaching people a lesson aren't worth it. Yes on some emotional level it's satisfying to see proudly stupid people like him get what they asked for but if you take a step back and think about it that's a pretty horrible lesson to learn.
@fskimospy: I'm not saying that's preferable. I'm saying that there is a high probability that that is the only way he will ever learn.
You just said you hope some guy gets ill with no health coverage. Seems to indicate preference to me. You're a real prize, bitter one.
Yay! Another sock puppet makes a reappearance. Welcome back!
It is a pretty amusing argument when you think about it: 'Republicans should repeal the ACA because Obama made it too easy for Republicans to sabotage'. Apparently 'don't sabotage' isn't one of the available choices for Republicans. Lol.
Also he seems to have a bizarre idea in his head that the ACA mandated that states establish exchanges. It's funny when people accuse Obama of not knowing what he's talking about when they clearly don't even understand the law they are criticizing.
Sigh. It would be nice if we could have even one relatively rational, well informed conservative poster on here. The parade of trolls and idiots gets old.
We're in agreement that the ACA could not mandate states to set up exchanges. With that in mind, Obama (and you) should not have expected all states to do so. Therefore the feds came in and did it but it still failed.
I don't get this weird level of vitriol. It's been present in conservatives for decades about liberals but now the constant toxicity seems to be infecting the left as well. It's gross.
Yes, Sea Ray's opinions on the ACA are misinformed and stupid. Yes, he argues childishly about them and is uninterested in honest debate. That doesn't mean that somehow the best outcome is for him to learn these lessons through some sort of horrible illness.
We're in agreement that the ACA could not mandate states to set up exchanges. With that in mind, Obama (and you) should not have expected all states to do so. Therefore the feds came in and did it but it still failed.
My wife is a survivor of breast cancer and open heart surgery. The direction this thread has taken is worthless. I'm well aware of how the system works...and how hateful some on the left are on this site. It's hit a new low.
Tell it to the 20M people who gained coverage.
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