Passage of the ACHA Lays Bare The Hatred and Contempt in The Hearts of GOP Voters

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zzyzxroad

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He seems to be doing all he can to ensure a crisis in the insurance market if the current GOP plans fail. I've been saying for a while that the next open enrollment is going to be a disaster if the teens continues.
I'd call what they have is a lack of a plan.
 

Bitek

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Aug 2, 2001
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Absolutely, yet somehow Obama managed to make it worse. At issue were the 15% who get their insurance on the individual market. He's made that situation much worse. The premiums have tripled and our choices were cut. Some areas have no choices at all now. That's screwed up

It's not just "somehow" it happened. Very specific things have happened to cause it, and it's not all that secretive if you properly read up on it.

Two big items, original design flaws of the law, and then intentional undermining of the law by opponents.

Health economists warned Ds from the start that the mandate penalties were too low and the subsides not broad enough. But those were the compromises made to get it passed (thinking it could get patched later.) We've discussed this ad nauseum.

Second, the facets built in to the law to limit increases have been attacked and underfunded. By whom you ask? Well the people you keep voting for of course!

Eg Reinsurance and Risk corridors.

http://www.kff.org/health-reform/is...sk-adjustment-reinsurance-and-risk-corridors/

Long, wonky article, but I'll point you to the conclusion:

"Risk corridors were intended to reduce overall financial uncertainty for insurers, though they largely did not fulfill that goal following congressional changes to the program. Reinsurance compensated plans for their high-cost enrollees, and by the nature of its financing provided a subsidy for individual market premiums generally over a three-year period. Premium increases are expected to be higher in 2017 in part due to the end of the reinsurance program."
 
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ivwshane

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Yet somehow 20 million more people ha e coverage. I also love how you appear to give the GOP a free pass for doing all they can to sabotage the ACA which is a part of the reason insurers are bailing out. With all the uncertainty it is impossible for them to price policies so they have to raise prices since the risk factor is greater.

Its because he sides with the devil he knows.

The guy deserves everything he's got coming to him, after all he supports it.
 
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Azuma Hazuki

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Yeah, awful thing to say, but someone who bitches about the state of his own healthcare while supporting something much worse deserves his problems.
 

buckshot24

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Yet you advocate policies with those results. You don't get it both ways. Actions have consequences, and you have to accept accountability for them.
Do you think I actively pray for kids to die of cancer? Why can't you call out that complete nonsense for what it is? Also, what you think might happen and what will actually happen are not the same thing.
 
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Do you think I actively pray for kids to die of cancer? Why can't you call out that complete nonsense for what it is? Also, what you think might happen and what will actually happen are not the same thing.
So do you think the healthcare market is a supply/demand type of economy?
 

buckshot24

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The ACA thought of that, thus the mandate to buy insurance.

Undoing that means we go back to the free rider system where the uninsured don't go to the Dr until the are really ill, but then go to the ER when shit meets fan, get treated, can't pay, file bankruptcy, and providers pass costs to the insured.
Unpaid hospital bills only come to around 40 billion a year, divided by the population and you get $125ish. Unpaid hospital bills are not a significant source of inflated prices.
 

buckshot24

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IIRC, T-Rump ordered the IRS not to enforce the fines for not having insurance. If that's the case, the mandate is meaningless. I'm not sure how he can selectively enforce a law on the books but, if true, that seems to be the case.
Obama showed him how to be selective like that.
 

agent00f

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Is he though? While what he might post is vile and hurtful you on the other hand are actually, literally, voting for people who are actively trying to take away health care from people.

Personally, a vile shit talker is preferable to one whose actions lead to despicable things.

I don't think it's vile at all to tell the truth about vile people. For example, "hilter killed jews to advance his political self-interest", or "conservatives kill kids with treatable illness to advance their political self-interest".
 

jackstar7

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Can you state anything that's accurate? I care an awful lot about radical Muslim terrorism yet it's never hit me personally.

Want another example? You think every pro life conservative has been affected personally by an abortion?

Think next time you post. Otherwise you're just wasting our time.
You really chose terrible examples.

I mean they express how you're a broken person perfectly, but they are bad examples to counter the point that was being made against you...
 

jackstar7

Lifer
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The reality here is that Obamacare screwed things up so badly it can't be fixed with one reconciliation bill
Also, you know they are using reconciliation specifically to avoid needing any kind of bipartisanship, right?

They don't want to have to involve Dems at all.

Vastly different from how things were handled with the ACA.
 

Sea Ray

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Maybe if the GOP would properly fund the damn thing and quite putting uncertainty into the market with their bullshit, the insurance companies wouldn't be pulling out. Companies aren't going to stay committed when all you have heard for seven+ years is it's going down and when they got in power, they put out two versions of bullshit.

Absolutely you can't count on gov't. That's a flaw in Obamacare. Insurance co's can't count on perpetual funding. Programs are always prone to be cut. In the case of funding corridors, Obama himself signed off on cutting those
 

Sea Ray

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Yet somehow 20 million more people ha e coverage. I also love how you appear to give the GOP a free pass for doing all they can to sabotage the ACA which is a part of the reason insurers are bailing out. With all the uncertainty it is impossible for them to price policies so they have to raise prices since the risk factor is greater.

20 million people now have coverage thanks to the generosity of me and others. It's a wonderful system.
 

Bowfinger

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Do you think I actively pray for kids to die of cancer? Why can't you call out that complete nonsense for what it is? Also, what you think might happen and what will actually happen are not the same thing.
You advocate for practices that will kill children with cancer, as well as thousands of other Americans each year. And that's not speculation, we have the data. We know that losing health care increases suffering and causes unnecessary deaths. You don't get get it both ways. Actions have consequences; you cannot dodge accountability for those actions.
 

Sea Ray

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Also, you know they are using reconciliation specifically to avoid needing any kind of bipartisanship, right?

They don't want to have to involve Dems at all.

Vastly different from how things were handled with the ACA.

You don't get it. They're using reconciliation because the Dems have flat out said that they'll filibuster any attempt to repeal Obamacare
 

Engineer

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That's the problem with lawless behavior, sometimes somebody else is going to get in office you don't like and do the same things against your position.

Obama is gone and it's the GOP running the show now. If they can't pass something (and clearly they have a pile of steaming dung) and they can't repeal Obamacare (hard to do with well over 50% approval), they'll sabotage it to make it fail and then stand proudly and say "I told you so!".

I'm about at the point that go ahead and pass that pile of dung bill so that the GOP can really own it and either reap the rewards of a successful bill or face the gallows if it fails. I'm starting to think they hate their own bill, though, and won't pass it because they are afraid. It's a big game of chicken and partisanship and the GOP is in line to get run over first.
 

Sea Ray

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You advocate for practices that will kill children with cancer, as well as thousands of other Americans each year. And that's not speculation, we have the data. We know that losing health care increases suffering and causes unnecessary deaths. You don't get get it both ways. Actions have consequences; you cannot dodge accountability for those actions.

People will die of cancer with or without Obamacare. It is often a terminal illness.
 

Engineer

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People will die of cancer with or without Obamacare. It is often a terminal illness.

Then there you are. Let's go ahead and get rid of insurance for anyone with cancer and other terminal illness, even if they already have insurance. Just imagine how much you'll save on your premiums by doing so.
 

buckshot24

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You advocate for practices that will kill children with cancer, as well as thousands of other Americans each year. And that's not speculation, we have the data. We know that losing health care increases suffering and causes unnecessary deaths. You don't get get it both ways. Actions have consequences; you cannot dodge accountability for those actions.
Death penalty appropriate for child murderers then?
 
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