Passage of the ACHA Lays Bare The Hatred and Contempt in The Hearts of GOP Voters

[Engineer]

1993 has nothing to do with Obamacare. Comparing 2008 with today has everything to do with ACA

So stating that the insurance market has had rising premiums, higher deductibles and lower coverage for decades prior to the ACA has no barring on the subject? LOL. Of course, blame it all on the ACA. Everything was rosy before then....la...la...la...lala.

 

[Sea Ray]

And those people are not relying on generosity. They are relying on our tax system operating to handle federal-level problems.

Or are you protected from the scary musslemen by the military that is generously supported by my tax dollars?

The military protects all Americans. It's not selective. Poor analogy on your part. ACA is pure income redistribution. It takes money from some Americans and gives it to others

 

[buckshot24]

That's exactly what he and Buchshot are saying. Remove the demand by cutting people off and the prices will drop. Again, won't work unless you're denying people treatment.

I'm not saying that. I believe the problem is in the funding side of this.

 

[Engineer]

Because healthcare costs have gone through the roof.

and that specifically started only with the ACA?

 

[Sea Ray]

Does healthcare follow a supply/demand economic model?

Not any more. Competition needs to be restored

 

[Engineer]

I'm not saying that. I believe the problem is in the funding side of this.

Yeah, cut off the funding, people drop off the roles and demand goes down. What other way is there to take it?

 

[buckshot24]

The issue is that MORE will die under the GOP plan. Of course you already knew what I meant and are being willfully dishonest.

Anybody who supports this bill is guilty of murder and should be punished, amiright?

 

[JSt0rm]

Not any more. Competition needs to be restored

Competition? So on your way to the hospital with a heart attack you are gonna call around and get quotes? Fucking lol.

 

[Sea Ray]

So stating that the insurance market has had rising premiums, higher deductibles and lower coverage for decades prior to the ACA has no barring on the subject? LOL. Of course, blame it all on the ACA. Everything was rosy before then....la...la...la...lala.

Before the ACA I had healthcare choices. Now I have none

 

[jackstar7]

The military protects all Americans. It's not selective. Poor analogy on your part. ACA is pure income redistribution. It takes money from some Americans and gives it to others

All taxes are income redistribution.

My analogy stands just fine.

 

[Bowfinger]

Death penalty appropriate for child murderers then?

I'll let your god decide the appropriate consequnces for your immorality. I will simply note that this is yet another example of your signature duhversion when you don't want to engage in honest discussion. It's why you are a net negative here.

 

[Engineer]

Not any more. Competition needs to be restored

Do tell how we do that? I guess we need to go to ambulance.com or hospital_rates.com and look up the best prices before going to get care, especially in the expensive 'emergency' category.

 

[Sea Ray]

Competition? So on your way to the hospital with a heart attack you are gonna call around and get quotes? Fucking lol.

Is that post really worth throwing an F bomb? Is your vocabulary really that limited? You need more than healthcare. You need education.

My point that you obviously whiffed on, was that I had choices in which insurance co I chose for healthcare. Then through the PPO system, the price for that heart attack was negotiated on my behalf

 

[jackstar7]

Not any more. Competition needs to be restored

Wrong.

You're talking about insurance as a supply/demand market. That is also wrong and is just money being redistributed.

 

[Bowfinger]

Before the ACA I had healthcare choices. Now I have none

Then you should work with Democrats to fix it rather than with the Republicans who want to make it worse.

 

[Engineer]

The military protects all Americans. It's not selective. Poor analogy on your part. ACA is pure income redistribution. It takes money from some Americans and gives it to others

And the taxes paid by people for the military do not? What about people who pay no taxes and actually get more money back than held back? Should they not get military protection? Police protection? Fire protection? Get to drive on roads? Why does healthcare, an essential need for life, get a different view?

 

[buckshot24]

Yeah, cut off the funding, people drop off the roles and demand goes down. What other way is there to take it?

No. Have people purchase directly more of their health care and prices will come down. Right now there is no reason to seek to lower prices as a provider.

 

[Sea Ray]

All taxes are income redistribution.

My analogy stands just fine.

Not necessarily. Taxes used to pay for soldiers isn't redistribution. They're getting paid to do a job. They're not getting a handout

 

[zzyzxroad]

Sure it does. The math is simple. Today 20 million more people have insurance than in 2010. Who's paying for that? The rest of us, that's who.

Lol yes of course. I think many Americans think providing for our sick and unfortunate is an obligation. I know I do and am happy to do so. I happen to think single payer is the way to go but also acknowledge it isnt without issues. There may be a better option but I'm not aware of one.

 

[Engineer]

I should have known better than to debate with a hillbilly from Kentucky. You guys tend to sip the bourbon a little earlier in the day than you should. You haven't played decent football since Bear Bryant left and I ought to know. I went to that school 3 hrs south of you on I-75

By the way, you've NEVER played decent basketball.

 

[Engineer]

Not necessarily. Taxes used to pay for soldiers isn't redistribution. They're getting paid to do a job. They're not getting a handout

So are healthcare providers. What about the people who receive protection from the military who pay no (or negative) taxes? My taxes are going to cover myself and everyone else that doesn't or can't pay for military services. What's the difference?

 

[Sea Ray]

Then you should work with Democrats to fix it rather than with the Republicans who want to make it worse.

I'd be happy to work with Dems to fix it if only they would. I think a bipartisan bill is the way to go. I agree with my Senator Rob Portman on that. He opposes the Senate bill

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I'm not saying that. I believe the problem is in the funding side of this.

So, does healthcare emulate a supply/demand market/economy? You've made that claim, I just want to clarification on that. Because I always thought healthcare was much more dynamic than predictable

 

[Sea Ray]

By the way, you've NEVER played decent basketball.

Then why do you guys lose to us so often in Knoxville? It happened when I went to school and it happened again this year. I win bets on that game often.

 

[jackstar7]

Not necessarily. Taxes used to pay for soldiers isn't redistribution. They're getting paid to do a job. They're not getting a handout

So you don't know what the word redistribution means?

You should stop using it.