Passage of the ACHA Lays Bare The Hatred and Contempt in The Hearts of GOP Voters

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Engineer

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Just keep in mind that if you don't agree with them then you want kids to die of cancer.

WTF are you talking about? I'll call you guys greedy because you want to fuck the system up but I never said anything about wanting ANYBODY to die of any disease. I'm trying to prevent it all by covering everyone and cheaper than what we're doing it now. You guys think you get a price cut when in reality, you're going to be paying the same or more....unless you cut people off without insurance or means to pay for their bills up front.
 

Sea Ray

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Opinions vary.....

You bet. How 'bout discussing our opinions in the future rather than throwing out S bombs and calling each other names? I think doing that would be much more productive. Do you think you can do that?
 
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My generosity in paying taxes.

So you disagree with my choice of terms. Fine. Just say that. Calling me a liar for that doesn't fit the crime
yea well I don't want my taxes to fund wars, what are you going to do? me? vote for someone who's a little less crazy than the current fucktard in chief and someone who knows the population as a whole benefits from universal health care (see: all other civilized nations),
 

Engineer

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No, just the rate of increase.


http://www.npr.org/sections/health-...o-wins-who-loses-with-senate-health-care-bill

SENATE DRAFT: BETTER CARE RECONCILIATION ACT
Federal funding for Medicaid expansion phases out between 2021 and 2023. In addition, eight states would have a trigger clause
— if the federal matching rate declines below the ACA-promised rates, the expansion goes away immediately in Arkansas, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Montana, New Hampshire, New Mexico, and Washington. Further reductions would start in 2025. In a separate provision, states could impose a work requirement on recipients. Most able-bodied adult Medicaid recipients already work.

So not paying for the current Medicaid expansion is NOT a cut?
 

Sea Ray

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yea well I don't want my taxes to fund wars, what are you going to do? me? vote for someone who's a little less crazy than the current fucktard in chief and someone who knows the population as a whole benefits from universal health care (see: all other civilized nations),

Yep, that's all you can do. I don't think you'll find anyone who'll meet your standard though. Pacifists don't tend to get nominated by either major political party in this country
 

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Playing word games is all this is. Spending less than you originally planned isn't a cut.

It doesn't say that, it says phasing out Medicaid expansion. The Medicaid expansion was put into place via the ACA to cover those that cannot, by the states that accepted and implemented it. How else are you supposed to read that?

Oh, and you're the one playing semantics. If the plan changes the amount to be spent, it's a cut. Otherwise, there would be the 'option' to continue spending the original amount.

Seems that you're on the wrong side of the word games on this one. Complete semantics to fool the base. Probably working pretty good too. They won't know until after it's pulled from under them.
 

Sea Ray

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Again it's the expansion of Medicaid that being cut. The rate of expansion needs to be cut.

Not everyone agrees with that assessment:

Politicians and news outlets alike have given the false impression that the White House budget would downsize Medicaid. Although the budget allocates less than baseline estimates, it does not cut funding below current levels. On the contrary, it grows the size of Medicaid and keeps funding levels over time proportional in terms of the total budget. We rate this claim as false.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/30/fact-check-does-the-trump-budget-gut-medicaid/
 

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It doesn't say that, it says phasing out Medicaid expansion. The Medicaid expansion was put into place via the ACA to cover those that cannot, by the states that accepted and implemented it. How else are you supposed to read that?

Oh, and you're the one playing semantics. If the plan changes the amount to be spent, it's a cut. Otherwise, there would be the 'option' to continue spending the original amount.
A cut is spending less (adjusted for inflation) than you spent the prior year. That's how people understand a cut.
 

Engineer

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A cut is spending less (adjusted for inflation) than you spent the prior year. That's how people understand a cut.

That's how you want people to understand the word cut so that they think that they aren't losing anything. My boss tells me that I'm getting a 5% raise in January in December, tells me I'm getting 2%. So my raise didn't get a cut?

Ok, by your game, it's not a 'cut' in growth, it's just a slowing of growth, right?
 

Sea Ray

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What does the Senate bill have to do with rating the Trump budget? Do they match?

Good question. If they don't then there's room for a deal. One thing's for certain, as it stands right now the Senate bill is not passing
 

Sea Ray

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That's how you want people to understand the word cut so that they think that they aren't losing anything. My boss tells me that I'm getting a 5% raise in January in December, tells me I'm getting 2%. So my raise didn't get a cut?

Ok, by your game, it's not a 'cut' in growth, it's just a slowing of growth, right?

OK, we've stumbled upon an area of disagreement. IMO if a budget allows for a 10% rate of increase and the next guy changes that to 5, I don't see that as a cut 'cause you're still getting a 5% increase. If you disagree then fine. We have a gentlemen's disagreement
 

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Good question. If they don't then there's room for a deal. One thing's for certain, as it stands right now the Senate bill is not passing

And I remember people stating that T-Rump had no chance of getting elected. I even warned people at my office the night of the election to no underestimate the man. I have him no chance to win the GOP primary when he first announced and after he did, I never said another word on his chances....even when the infamous "Grab them by the pussy" video was released. There's severe partisanship going on right now and they will do their damnest to push it through regardless of how the people feel.
 

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That's the way I read it. Either the states can make it up on their own or they can cut it to sustainable levels.

And the states have plenty of time to sort that out. Understand that who pays for what on Medicaid is not going to control the costs of healthcare in this country. All you're doing here is picking winners and losers
 

Sea Ray

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And I remember people stating that T-Rump had no chance of getting elected. I even warned people at my office the night of the election to no underestimate the man. I have him no chance to win the GOP primary when he first announced and after he did, I never said another word on his chances....even when the infamous "Grab them by the pussy" video was released. There's severe partisanship going on right now and they will do their damnest to push it through regardless of how the people feel.

I'm glad you saw the election more clearly than most. I agree with you that far too many people underestimated Trump and I'll take it a step further...they're still underestimating him today
 

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And the states have plenty of time to sort that out. Understand that who pays for what on Medicaid is not going to control the costs of healthcare in this country. All you're doing here is picking winners and losers

Neither is the system that the GOP are proposing. Other countries have figured this out. I guess we can all go to Canada for our prescriptions.
 

Sea Ray

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Nope sea ray completely deflected to don't call me names bro mode and ignored the post.

I guess deflectors were just set to maximum.

It's not deflectors. There are somethings in life that aren't worth an argument. I hope that fact doesn't disappoint you
 
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