Passage of the ACHA Lays Bare The Hatred and Contempt in The Hearts of GOP Voters

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No, its just not a right and the government doesn't need to provide it. ie. when they do it's a "goodie".
so the poor child suffering from anaphylaxis needs to figure out a payment plan before medications are administered, you're such a boon to humanity buckshit.
 

agent00f

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They voted overwhelming Trump. The county that I was referring to (60% government assistance) voted 79.6% Trump vs 16.8% Clinton during the election.

Find Logan County on the map.

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/west-virginia?mcubz=1

I'm still looking for the government assistance numbers. It was in the local paper (Williamson Daily News) that my in-laws bring to my wife to read.

Gee I wonder what the difference was between the previous GOP guys who were all but ready to offer amnesty to mexicans and whatnot, and the one whose campaign platform was basically building a wall to keep out rapists.
 

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Gee I wonder what the difference was between the previous GOP guys who were all but ready to offer amnesty to mexicans and whatnot, and the one whose campaign platform was basically building a wall to keep out rapists.

They voted on God, guns, gays, religion, anti-Obama and coal. Never thought about losing their healthcare and other government assistance. Good enough for them all.
 

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They voted on God, guns, gays, religion, anti-Obama and coal. Never thought about losing their healthcare and other government assistance. Good enough for them all.

Those were around when the other GOP guys gave it a shot, that's why I highlighted the difference between them and Trump to illustrate why he was particularly effective.
 

Engineer

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Those were around when the other GOP guys gave it a shot, that's why I highlighted the difference between them and Trump to illustrate why he was particularly effective.

I suppose. Coal jobs have dropped more and more (because of natural gas more than any other factor) and with more and more gay stuff going on, it was a factor. The stance (act) on terrorism and immigration were factors. By the way, they didn't vote for Obama either during the election by at least the same percentage. They just so happen to now have the entire GOP that they want and many have started wondering what they'll do if their lose their benefits. I say too fucking bad...you asked for it, you got it.
 

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No, its just not a right and the government doesn't need to provide it. ie. when they do it's a "goodie".
So, to clarify, every expenditure not explicitly enumerated in the constitution is a goodie? Does that somehow change the utility of these expenditures?
 

agent00f

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I suppose. Coal jobs have dropped more and more (because of natural gas more than any other factor) and with more and more gay stuff going on, it was a factor. The stance (act) on terrorism and immigration were factors. By the way, they didn't vote for Obama either during the election by at least the same percentage. They just so happen to now have the entire GOP that they want and many have started wondering what they'll do if their lose their benefits. I say too fucking bad...you asked for it, you got it.

That same county was only 60% gop the previous election, that's a massive gap.
 

Engineer

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That same county was only 60% gop the previous election, that's a massive gap.

Yeah, don't know how to explain it. I know that every politician that the Dems put up was demonized by "They support Obama's radical agenda". Didn't matter who. There was no platform that any of the local GOP ran on other than that. Didn't have to put forth ideas of their own as long as they were anti Obama.

Regardless, seems the whole area and surround states slipped more into GOP territory. Seems to go against their own needs but what do I know. They're crying about it now and I still say tough shit. I know people that complain about it but vote entirely 100% on a candidates abortion position. Have said as much. I guess the coal thing and others mentioned was enough to push it that way.

Let's see if the coal jobs come back like T-Rump told them. I suspect natural gas will continue to kill them.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coal-industry-collapsing-coal-workers-153000299.html

Wait until the millions on government assistance (Medicaid) start losing this stuff.
 

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I suppose. Coal jobs have dropped more and more (because of natural gas more than any other factor) and with more and more gay stuff going on, it was a factor. The stance (act) on terrorism and immigration were factors. By the way, they didn't vote for Obama either during the election by at least the same percentage. They just so happen to now have the entire GOP that they want and many have started wondering what they'll do if their lose their benefits. I say too fucking bad...you asked for it, you got it.

Whole regions of the country, rural & urban, have been pumped & dumped by the migratory Jerb Creators. Movin' on to greater profit elsewhere. Your services are no longer required. Bootstraps, biatches!
 
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It isn't a constitutional right either.
That isn't true. The 9th Amendment specifically states that just because it isn't enumerated in the Constitution, doesn't mean that it isn't a right held by the people.

As society advances we somehow keep gaining more Constitutionally protected rights. Although we still have a lot of catching up to do with, like, the rest of western society on a lot of fronts.
 

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If you want to help your fellow man then give to charity, it isn't the proper role of the federal government to provide healthcare to its citizens.

I'd rather a system be set up where people can get affordable healthcare, and I don't mind my tax dollars going to support such a system, since I'm already forced to contribute to Medicaid and Medicare.

If it isn't a 'proper' role of the federal government, and several states can't afford to, and private insurance companies would rather cut benefits due to costs, whose role is it?

Also, if the ACA is as broken as so many people make it out to be, why not fix what's broken, rather than throwing it out?

If there is something wrong with your car/computer/house/relationship that can be fixed, do you not try to fix it, or do you just say "can't be fixed" and toss it away?
 

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If you want to help your fellow man then give to charity, it isn't the proper role of the federal government to provide healthcare to its citizens.

But actually they do! Those droves of unwashed masses presenting themselves to emergency rooms without insurance or cash? Guess what happens when they hospital is unsuccessful with bill & sue?

The cost gets passed onto us all in the form of increased costs to our insurance companies! What's sad about this is many of those people are really sick & could have been treated earlier at much cheaper rates than the emergency room charges!
 

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But actually they do! Those droves of unwashed masses presenting themselves to emergency rooms without insurance or cash? Guess what happens when they hospital is unsuccessful with bill & sue?

The cost gets passed onto us all in the form of increased costs to our insurance companies! What's sad about this is many of those people are really sick & could have been treated earlier at much cheaper rates than the emergency room charges!
Unpaid hospital bills are tiny compared to what is spent yearly on healthcare in this country. Not a major driver of increased prices.
 

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Could we pass Trumpcare already? Im tired of waiting for the Obamacare nightmare to end.

Yeah, I can't wait to become uninsurable & die from cancer. I hear having an unmediated cancer death is delightful. Wonder if the neighbors will call the police because of my constant screaming.
 

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Unpaid hospital bills are tiny compared to what is spent yearly on healthcare in this country. Not a major driver of increased prices.

What about the cost of lost productivity? The costs in terms of human suffering?

I haven't called you any names but my God man, where is your humanity?
 

buckshot24

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I'd rather a system be set up where people can get affordable healthcare, and I don't mind my tax dollars going to support such a system, since I'm already forced to contribute to Medicaid and Medicare.
Fine.
If it isn't a 'proper' role of the federal government, and several states can't afford to, and private insurance companies would rather cut benefits due to costs, whose role is it?
We as people should help those who need it, we don't need the federal government to do it.
Also, if the ACA is as broken as so many people make it out to be, why not fix what's broken, rather than throwing it out?

If there is something wrong with your car/computer/house/relationship that can be fixed, do you not try to fix it, or do you just say "can't be fixed" and toss it away?
I don't have most of the cars I've ever owned because it became smarter and more economical to get rid of them rather than fix them.
 
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