Passport photograph of girl's bare shoulders rejected 'as it may offend'

Amused

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Passport photograph of girl's bare shoulders rejected 'as it may offend'
By Paul Stokes


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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/08/14/npassport14.xml

A five-year-old girl's passport application was rejected because her photograph showed her bare shoulders.

Hannah Edwards's mother, Jane, was told that the exposed skin might be considered offensive in a Muslim country.

The photograph was taken at a photo-booth at a local post office for a family trip to the south of France.

Because of the way the camera was set up, the picture came out showing Hannah's shoulders.

The family had it signed and presented it at a post office with the completed form but were told that it would not be accepted by the Passport Office.

A woman behind the counter informed them that she was aware of at least two other cases where applications had been rejected because a person's shoulders were not covered.

Mrs Edwards, a Sheffield GP, said: "I was incensed. I went back home and checked the form. Nowhere did it say anything about covering up shoulders. If it had, I would have done so, but it all seems so unnecessary.

"This is quite ridiculous, I followed the instructions on the passport form to the letter and it was still rejected. It is just officialdom pandering to political correctness.

"It is a total over-reaction. How can the shoulders of a five-year-old girl offend anyone? It's not as if anything else was showing, the dress she wore was sleeveless, but it has a high neck." Hannah had her first passport when she was three months old. Her mother and her father, Martin, realised that it was due to expire during their holiday later this month and decided to renew it advance.

They aimed to complete the application on Saturday, the same day that Hannah was to be Sheffield Wednesday football team's mascot at Hillsborough stadium. Mrs Edwards was also on call from her surgery.

After the rejection at the post office, Mrs Edwards spent two hours taking Hannah for new pictures, filling in a new form and finding the necessary "responsible citizens" to endorse the photos.

"The people who had signed the original application were not available," Mrs Edwards said. "I had to chase around and eventually found a neighbour who was a teacher to sign the pictures.

"The Passport Office should set this sort of thing out in its forms if it is going to be so pedantic."

A spokesman for the Identity and Passport Service said it was not its policy to reject applications with bare shoulders.

"The guidance set out on the application form doesn't include it, this picture should have been absolutely fine," she said. "If people follow those rules there should be no problem.

"The Post Office obviously has its rules and we can't comment on that. We are aware of a case in the past where an error was made involving similar circumstances, although I don't know the exact details. Staff should be aware of the rules."

A Post Office spokesman said: "Our offices have a Passport Office template which says what the photograph should and shouldn't be.

"Bare shoulders don't come into that at all. We can't see any instruction to that effect so all we can do is apologise to Mrs Edwards. It was clearly a mistake made by the clerk at the post office.

"It is the first time we have heard of such a rejection and we will take it up with that particular office.

"We do around three million passport applications a year. It is one of our most popular services and it is normally extremely effective.

"We have a much lower rejection rate compared to applications submitted directly to the Passport Office."


 

purbeast0

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well those women that are all covered up with towels and robes offend me, they should have to uncover for passport photos!
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: Powermoloch
shoulders = boobs in the middle east?

shoulders, noses, hands, ears, necks, legs, feet, arms, hair....
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: thirdeye
Like it freakin' matters. Our existence is an offense to many of them. Are we going to kill ourselves so we don't offend anyone.

Indeed.
 

NatePo717

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Originally posted by: thirdeye
Like it freakin' matters. Our existence is an offense to many of them. Are we going to kill ourselves so we don't offend anyone.

that would offend me!
 

Queasy

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Zolty

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They should issue the passport imo, just inform the woman that it may be considered offensive if she plans on traveling to muslim nations. You should probably learn local customs before traveling to differant nations anyway.
 

Powermoloch

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Oh no! God forbid we do anything to offend those damned Muslims...

lol..honestly anything in the middle east are so anal on things...in asia no one really cared (especially the asian muslims)

Especially in singapore, malaysia, some parts of indonesia and Brunei...things are laxed.
 

MrChad

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What's the problem here? Let's read the article.

A Post Office spokesman said: "Our offices have a Passport Office template which says what the photograph should and shouldn't be.

"Bare shoulders don't come into that at all. We can't see any instruction to that effect so all we can do is apologise to Mrs Edwards. It was clearly a mistake made by the clerk at the post office.

"It is the first time we have heard of such a rejection and we will take it up with that particular office.

Clearly a mistake by the clerk. This is NOT Post Office or Passport office policy.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: MrChad
What's the problem here? Let's read the article.

A Post Office spokesman said: "Our offices have a Passport Office template which says what the photograph should and shouldn't be.

"Bare shoulders don't come into that at all. We can't see any instruction to that effect so all we can do is apologise to Mrs Edwards. It was clearly a mistake made by the clerk at the post office.

"It is the first time we have heard of such a rejection and we will take it up with that particular office.

Clearly a mistake by the clerk. This is NOT Post Office or Passport office policy.

No one said it was.
 

DaShen

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Originally posted by: Powermoloch
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Oh no! God forbid we do anything to offend those damned Muslims...

lol..honestly anything in the middle east are so anal on things...in asia no one really cared (especially the asian muslims)

Especially in singapore, malaysia, some parts of indonesia and Brunei...things are laxed.

I have to agree with Astaroth33 on this one.
 

MrChad

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Originally posted by: Amused
No one said it was.

I'm not even sure why it warrants a news article. The headline can easily be misinterpreted and is clearly sensationalizing a simple misunderstanding or mistake.
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: Powermoloch
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Oh no! God forbid we do anything to offend those damned Muslims...

lol..honestly anything in the middle east are so anal on things...in asia no one really cared (especially the asian muslims)

Especially in singapore, malaysia, some parts of indonesia and Brunei...things are laxed.

Yep...real lax
Three girls have been beheaded and another badly injured as they walked to a Christian school in Indonesia.
 

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If the family were visiting a muslim nation I could understand this kind of reaction, but as far as I could tell, they're not, so that response was unwarranted. Like a previous poster mentioned, a warning that predominantly muslim nations may find that photograph offensive would have been more than enough.

FK
 

Powermoloch

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Powermoloch
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Oh no! God forbid we do anything to offend those damned Muslims...

lol..honestly anything in the middle east are so anal on things...in asia no one really cared (especially the asian muslims)

Especially in singapore, malaysia, some parts of indonesia and Brunei...things are laxed.

Yep...real lax
Three girls have been beheaded and another badly injured as they walked to a Christian school in Indonesia.


Lol, I did said "some parts of indonesia".
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: Powermoloch
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Powermoloch
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Oh no! God forbid we do anything to offend those damned Muslims...

lol..honestly anything in the middle east are so anal on things...in asia no one really cared (especially the asian muslims)

Especially in singapore, malaysia, some parts of indonesia and Brunei...things are laxed.

Yep...real lax
Three girls have been beheaded and another badly injured as they walked to a Christian school in Indonesia.


Lol, I did said "some parts of indonesia".

Lax in Thailand?
Suspected Muslim militants have beheaded a man in southern Thailand in front of customers in a teashop.

Police said the man, a travelling salesman, was shot twice and then decapitated in the shop in Narathiwat province, in the middle of the day.

It was the fifth beheading in just over two weeks, and is thought to be the first carried out so publicly.
 

Powermoloch

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Jul 5, 2005
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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Powermoloch
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Powermoloch
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Oh no! God forbid we do anything to offend those damned Muslims...

lol..honestly anything in the middle east are so anal on things...in asia no one really cared (especially the asian muslims)

Especially in singapore, malaysia, some parts of indonesia and Brunei...things are laxed.

Yep...real lax
Three girls have been beheaded and another badly injured as they walked to a Christian school in Indonesia.


Lol, I did said "some parts of indonesia".

Lax in Thailand?
Suspected Muslim militants have beheaded a man in southern Thailand in front of customers in a teashop.

Police said the man, a travelling salesman, was shot twice and then decapitated in the shop in Narathiwat province, in the middle of the day.

It was the fifth beheading in just over two weeks, and is thought to be the first carried out so publicly.


Lol I never said thailand :laugh:

 

CKent

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If bare shoulders offend these people we should hack al-jazeera.net and plaster goatse and tvbgirl pics all over it. They'll probably keel over dead - problem solved.
 
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