Pat Burrell

Perknose

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Pat Burrell has spent his entire professional baseball career with the Philadelphia Phillies. He was a free agent this year, and the Phillies never even made him an offer. He eventually signed with Tampa Bay.

He took a TON of abuse during his time in Philly. Unless you know our town, you have no idea how much abuse he took. Desperate Philly fans wanted him to be superman. He wasn't.

But, in his last year here, he was an integral and contributing part of a team that won it all, and is now the World Champions.

So, now he has moved on. A different organization is signing his paychecks, yet he took the time today to pay for full page adds in both of our papers thanking our fans for his time here.

That was a truly class move, imho. Pat the Bat, my hat is off to you! :thumbsup:
 

Newbian

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It's people like this that make slow news days.

At least have a affair or something.
 

SoulAssassin

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He definitely played a critical role through the playoffs/WS last year but there were times in the past where I swear he was phoning it in and didn't really care. That's what pissed me off about him. When he was playing he was good but other times he seemed like he didn't care. Plus I've seen minor league players with better fielding ability. I can't remember how many I've seen pop out of his glove or go over his head. All this time he was making big bank. I don't dislike the guy really but he wasn't worth what he was getting. I would have taken him back in philly but for something around the veteran minimum to makeup what he owes.
 

BrokenVisage

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I saw that too, what a classy thing to do from a guy who always got unfair criticism from the fans and never once complained about it. Really wish we would have kept him but Ibanez is fitting in quite nicely, just wish he was a righty like Pat .

Did he look retarded striking out? Yes. Did he run like he had molasses on his shoes? Yes. Was it warranted to keep taking him out late in games for defensive reasons? In most cases, yes. But... he rarely ever got hurt, he routinely put up 100 walks and 30 HRs, he always showed the most heart and enthusiasm in the dugout, and like I said.. he never complains, just a professional hitter who goes through streaks like most do. Good luck to him with the Rays, hope he keeps up the good work.
 

weflyhigh

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PAT THE BAT!!
Hes my booooy
we are making a road trip around mid-MAY to see The Bat take on the orioles. its gonna be sweet

You're from DT? did you go to central bucks? what one?
I didnt but 2 of my roommates for next year did. I grew up in philly. went to pick up one for a sixers game wednesday, DT is actually kinda far, was like an hour drive it seemed
 

sygyzy

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Why did the fans hate him? Because he signed with Tampa when Philly didn't make an offer?
 

sjwaste

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Pat was definitely a class act throughout his time in Philly. Frankly, he's better than most of our fans deserve. I hope he has a good season with Tampa, but it's our year to repeat
 

Mo0o

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Originally posted by: sygyzy
Why did the fans hate him? Because he signed with Tampa when Philly didn't make an offer?

Philly fans will hate on any player for anything
 

BrokenVisage

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Originally posted by: Mo0o
Originally posted by: sygyzy
Why did the fans hate him? Because he signed with Tampa when Philly didn't make an offer?

Philly fans will hate on any player for anything

Uninformed generalization bullshit. Kindly go screw.
 

chuckywang

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Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Originally posted by: sygyzy
Why did the fans hate him? Because he signed with Tampa when Philly didn't make an offer?

Philly fans will hate on any player for anything

Uninformed generalization bullshit. Kindly go screw.

Philly fans boo'ed Santa Claus = generalization confirmed
 

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Originally posted by: sygyzy
Why did the fans hate him? Because he signed with Tampa when Philly didn't make an offer?

Philadelphia, as a city, has a GIANT inferiority complex. Growing up 10 miles away, I guess I just thought it was the norm. I vividly remember going to Chicago to meet my wife's family and having her cousin, an otherwise cynical urban dweller, just naturally give me the "gosh, Chicago's GREAT" natural civic pride routine. I was dumbfounded and astonished. You do not hear a Philly native doing that, except in a deeply defensive way.

It's a shame, Philly has a TON to offer in the way of outstanding world-class culture and history and happening now music, etc, but there it is. I finally figured out that it was because we are less than 90 miles away from the Big Apple, NYC, and we live in their media shadow.

Philly has historically been a big-time blue collar town, as well, with a ton of big time manufacturing jobs. Even as late as the '80's, guy could roll out of HS and get a job with Budd building subway cars bodies and such for union wages, with union bennies.

The history of our pro sports teams, especially the Phillies, has been a long and mostly sad one. The Phillies have lost MORE games (I think its 10,000 plus) than any American pro franchise in any sport, ever. And yet, it has always been the Cubs and the Red Sox (before their recent success) and then the Mets who have been America's lovable losers.

Even when we win at losing, we get no respect.

And yet, Philly sports fans have LONG been more deeply knowledgeable about the game than the fans in most other cities, although those other cities have more or less caught up.

But, even in the fifties and sixties, when the NFL wasn't even IN most of the cities it is now, Philly fans knew and appreciated Defense. You may not know or believe this, but that was unusual, generally.

So, Philly fans have been unusually hungry for a winner.

Lol, it was Curt Flood REFUSING a trade to the Phillies that sparked the court battle that first brought free agency to MLB.

Imagine our pain.

And so, when the last place Phillies had the first pick in the draft in MLB and chose JD Drew (agent: Rosenhaus) and he REFUSED TO SIGN WITH THE PHILLIES, imagine our further pain. We had the first pick the next year and that was Pat Burrell.

Simply put, Philly fans wanted Pat Burrell to be superman and make up for all the many losses and humiliations we had suffered over the years.

And he was and is a decent player, just not without weaknesses and not all that good.

So Philly fans responded as they always do to disappointment . . . not all that well.

And there you have . . . the rest of the story! :laugh:
 

rh71

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Philadelphia sports fans have a reputation... no need to fill us in about that. Phlyers phans are especially bad. Stay classy, Philly.
 

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I had a friend that went to his high school. He said Pat Burrell was a douche. Maybe this proves him wrong.
 

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He really wasn't much of a factor in the World Series. His only hit came at his last at bat in the final game. He was a combined 1 for 14 for a blistering .071 Am I anti-Burrell? No, not in the least. The reason they didn't resign Burrelll was 1) they didn't want to pay him what he was asking but it doesn't mean they didn't talk. He is on the down side of his career and combined with the fact that 2) he is slow in left-field and doesn't field the position all that well. He is certainly a defensive liability.

The Phillie fans gave him his due as well. They recognized when he was carrying the team with his bat. They cheered him.

What they will miss from him is his right handed hitting in a line-up that is now heavily left-handed.

And Perknose, you are right. That was a class act all the way on his part.
 

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Watched him his whole career here in Philly. Loved him, Hated him, and lost my voice when he hit home runs as well as kept the opposing infield cool with his strike outs.

~wnied~

 

TheVrolok

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He probably just wanted to make sure he wouldn't catch a bullet next time he comes into the City of Brotherly Love.
 

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Originally posted by: blinky8225
I had a friend that went to his high school. He said Pat Burrell was a douche. Maybe this proves him wrong.

My cousin was a year ahead of him and played big time ball as well. I bet your friend was the "douche", Pat is legit. Bellermine?
 

BrokenVisage

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Originally posted by: chuckywang
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Originally posted by: sygyzy
Why did the fans hate him? Because he signed with Tampa when Philly didn't make an offer?

Philly fans will hate on any player for anything

Uninformed generalization bullshit. Kindly go screw.

Philly fans boo'ed Santa Claus = generalization confirmed

Get your secondhand, grossly over-dramatized facts straight.

It wasn't a hired Santa, it was some drunken teen they pulled out of the stands to jog around the field in a horrible Santa suit/beard because there was too much snow to do the halftime Christmas show they had planned. The fan hardly looked like Santa and since his performance was drastically less then the fans expected, SOME threw snow balls at him and SOME booed. One could speculate most of the fans were just frustrated with the horrible season and game, but I doubt your source (moronic ESPN analysts, most likely) would ever mention that.
 

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Firstly, Philly fans are the worst. I've been to a Phillies and an Eagles game, and you'll never meet a more bitter and angry group of people. It's like they don't even enjoy being sports fans, they're forced into it or something.

Having said that, Pat Burrell was a REALLY frustrating player to watch. He had tons of talent but never seemed willing to put in the extra effort to take that next step. He was also the kind of guy who'd swing on a pitch to first base to check the runner, which can get old after awhile.
 

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Originally posted by: Agentbolt
Firstly, Philly fans are the worst. I've been to a Phillies and an Eagles game, and you'll never meet a more bitter and angry group of people. It's like they don't even enjoy being sports fans, they're forced into it or something.

Having said that, Pat Burrell was a REALLY frustrating player to watch. He had tons of talent but never seemed willing to put in the extra effort to take that next step. He was also the kind of guy who'd swing on a pitch to first base to check the runner, which can get old after awhile.

Gee, you sound bitter and angry. :laugh:

First, you give Pat more credit than you should in terms of natural talent. Hitting major league pitching is FAR harder, even for the most accomplished of athletes, than it might look. Just ask Michael Jordan, who could hardly crack .220 against MINOR league pitching.

Burrell is a classic "three true outcomes" power hitter -- walk, strike-out, home-run. He averages close to 30HR and 100 rbi per season. How many of the ELITE athletes in these MAJOR leagues have been able to do THAT? Are there even as many as 10 now playing?

But, yeah, he has major holes in his game. Sometimes he has "disappeared" for a full half a season (last year) or, one time, an entire YEAR. Again, hitting major league pitching is NOT that fucking easy!

As for his fielding, well, yeah, overall, because of his shot knees on top of never having turf covering speed of any kind to begin with, he's an overall liability.

BUT, one guy here said he got tired of seeing balls pop out of his glove. That's selective memory, if Pat Burrell can actually get to a ball, he not only catches it, but knows what to do with it, which is why he has REGULARLY been in or near the top 5 in the league in assists. He . . . throws . . . out . . . runners.

If you watched him regularly (I did), you'd also know that he dead nuts knew how to play the ins and outs of the left field wall, positioning his lumbering self perfectly before hand for the caroom and then often being able to one hand/bare hand the ball, and in one strong and fluid motion, laser throw it back to the CORRECT guy, be it the cut-off man or the right base.

Note: Nevertheless, he was a liability as an outfielder. His knees are shot.

But I have save the most important for last: Your false impression that Pat Burrell doesn't or didn't (at times) care. THIS IS PATENTLY UNTRUE. People's impression of Pat suffered because he's a true "old school" ball player, one who tries to NEVER let his emotion show.

I call that the Mike Schmidt syndrome. Mike Schmidt is recognized as the greatest third baseman in the history of the game, but HE never got his full due while playing in Philly because he, too, always kept his emotions in check.

Pat Burrell cared, he always cared, but he kept that stuff bottled up inside of the old school shell, which developed over the years and decades of baseball becuase they play 162 mother fucking games each year (used to be 154, shoot me)! You can't get too high or too low or it would KILL you in the long run, it would exhaust you emotionally. That's its genesis.

But, man, I'm hear to tell you, YOU COULD ALWAYS SEE the HURT and repressed emotion in Pat Burrell's eyes. The poor bastard was giving himself a goddam ulcer keeping it all in.

And yet, he was almost always amongst the FIRST off the bench to congratulate a teammate on his success. PAT . . . BURRELL . . . CARED.



 

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I literally had no idea that the world series happened this year. Go figure.
 
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