Pat Tillman Killed in Action

[Babbles]

LINK


Not going to say that his death is any more significant from any other death from a US military person; however, I think it does go to demonstrate this man's character who gave up the life of a pro athelete to serve his country.

 

[alchemize]

This guy gave up millions to serve his country after 9/11. As the OP said, no death is more or less significant, but I remember at the time thinking how great this guy was...IIRC he wouldn't even give interviews on his decision.

Edit: Good article written about him last December: Link

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

EDIT for stupidity.

 

[Babbles]

Wow, didn't take too long for somebody to trash Tillman's actions. The fact that somebody would be willing to serve their country and die for a cause is pretty significant, and to have the audacity to claim his actions were not "inherently positive" is a shame.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Tillman (and America) would have been better served if he committed his financial resources to improving the lives of American children. He could have been an ambassador of American goodwill by providing humanitarian relief in Africa, Asia, or the Middle East. His decision certainly says something about his character . . . but I'm not sure it's inherently positive.

It was his choice to make but he deserves no more acclaim than any other death in Bush War 2003-?.

not Appropriate!:evil:


The significance is The number of people that would turn down 9 mil to join the Armed forces is so small youcan count them on one hand while picking your nose.

 

[alchemize]

No it didn't take long at all, did it Babbles? There will be more...trust me.

Well, BBD is a pretty typical anti-war liberal. Throw money and love at the world, it will fix everything. We just didn't throw enough money and love at the Taliban. We had no right to attack Afghanistan. We made OBL attack us, it's our fault.

BBD's comments show something about his character as well, and I'm certain it isn't inherently positive. IMO of course.

 

[Babbles]

Here is a good reason why I don't like having an edit feature is because people have a tendency to ninja edit things to put in other thoughts.

I started off this thread stating that his death may not be any more significant than any other soldier's death; however Tillman's strength of character to do what he did is amazing.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Pat Tillman knows where the real war is, which is why he left the fake one behind. If he decides to return to football when his three-year tour of duty is up, he would have the impact of a human disinfectant on the NFL. And his fellow players would owe him their gratitude -- even Simeon Rice, assuming he can reach that high.

Spectator link

As for giving back to America:
Another perspective on Pat Tillman

A more complete assessment of what Simeon Rice said about Pat Tillman

"He really wasn't that good, not really," Rice said. "He was good enough to play in Arizona, [but] that's just like the XFL."

After several more promptings from Rome, Rice allowed, "I think it's very admirable, actually. You've got to give kudos to a guy like that because he did it for his own reasons. Maybe it's the Rambo movies, maybe it's Sylvester Stallone, Rocky, whatever compels him."

EDIT for clarity of purpose.

 

[Zebo]

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Pat Tillman knows where the real war is, which is why he left the fake one behind. If he decides to return to football when his three-year tour of duty is up, he would have the impact of a human disinfectant on the NFL. And his fellow players would owe him their gratitude -- even Simeon Rice, assuming he can reach that high.

Spectator link

Actually Pat Tillman did not know where the real war is occuring. The real war is with the hearts and minds of people across the globe that believe America is intent upon doing anything and everything to solidify its position at the head of the table. We are losing that war . . . badly.

As for giving back to America:

America's Athletes . . . hmm Rice is on this list

Pediatric Cancer Foundation and Warren Sapp

A very different perspective from mine on Pat Tillman

A more complete assessment of what Simeon Rice said about Pat Tillman

"He really wasn't that good, not really," Rice said. "He was good enough to play in Arizona, [but] that's just like the XFL."

After several more promptings from Rome, Rice allowed, "I think it's very admirable, actually. You've got to give kudos to a guy like that because he did it for his own reasons. Maybe it's the Rambo movies, maybe it's Sylvester Stallone, Rocky, whatever compels him."

anybody can donate money, Not Very many can give their lives.

 

[alchemize]

I think BBD is really, really upset about this. He's in damage control mode. He's spinning. Watch the other anti-war freaks start to do the same.

Tillman will be praised by most as a true american hero, and then smeared by the left. Sad it began so fast. But every time I say my opinion of the left can't descend any lower, the left finds a way to encourage me along.

They can't stand the image of sacrifice, of honor, of courage. Of everything that Tillman represents, they hate.

God rest his soul, and soothe his families.

 

[chess9]

Well, he did die in Afghanistan. At least we can hope he was hunting down that low-life OBL and AQ.

I give the guy credit for having some ideals and doing what he thought was right.

By the way, the guy also finished an Ironman I heard. So, here's a beer to him:

:beer:

-Robert

 

[Strk]

anybody can donate money, Not Very many can give their lives.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Of course he does not deserve any more credit than anyone else serving his or her country. However, it is just nice to know that there are some individuals still out there who are willing to more than just sign a check.

 

[Zebo]

Let all those guys talk sh1t. He was a millionaire, with a degree (could have gone OCS), but instead elisted for pennies to fight for what he belives. STUD end of story. He volunteered for afghanistan too which no one would dispute action in.

Iraq well? That's ones is high contention but I'd still respect someone who fights for what they believe and put thier ass on the line for it.

 

[maddogchen]

He was a good fantasy DB

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

You will find not a single BASH (prior to edit) in my previous post. All kinds of impulses motivate people to make decisions. Pat Tillman should be mourned like all of the dead during conflicts.

And contrary to the dribble of others, money does not solve all problems (or even most).

EDIT

 

[UltraQuiet]

Doc you deserve every bit of abuse you're going to receive in this thread. I'm gonna refrain from typing what I think but I will say this. It is painfully obvious that Pat Tillman had more character in one fingernail that you will ever hope to accumulate in several lifetimes. I'll assume that your derision of his death has given you some feeling of moral superiority. I assure you it is a false feeling that exists only in your head. You are beneath contempt and unworthy of a response,save this final one, or even the saliva needed to spit in your face.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
Doc you deserve every bit of abuse you're going to receive in this thread. I'm gonna refrain from typing what I think but I will say this. It is painfully obvious that Pat Tillman had more character in one fingernail that you will ever hope to accumulate in several lifetimes. I'll assume that your derision of his death has given you some feeling of moral superiority. I assure you it is a false feeling that exists only in your head. You are beneath contempt and unworthy of a response or even the saliva needed to spit in your face.

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Tillman (and America) would have been better served if he committed his financial resources to improving the lives of American children. He could have been an ambassador of American goodwill by providing humanitarian relief in Africa, Asia, or the Middle East. His decision certainly says something about his character . . . but I'm not sure it's inherently positive.

It was his choice to make but he deserves no more acclaim than any other death in Bush War 2003-?.

Who are you to say how that someone could have better served the world doing one thing versus another? That is an incredibly callous comment in regards to someone who just died in the service of our country.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
Doc you deserve every bit of abuse you're going to receive in this thread. I'm gonna refrain from typing what I think but I will say this. It is painfully obvious that Pat Tillman had more character in one fingernail that you will ever hope to accumulate in several lifetimes. I'll assume that your derision of his death has given you some feeling of moral superiority. I assure you it is a false feeling that exists only in your head. You are beneath contempt and unworthy of a response,save this final one, or even the saliva needed to spit in your face.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

I think BBD is really, really upset about this. He's in damage control mode. He's spinning. Watch the other anti-war freaks start to do the same.

I'm upset every time life is lost. I am not an anti-war freak. I am a soft advocate for action in Afghanistan and believe if our efforts had been more focused it's possible that many more people responsible for 9/11 could be brought to justice . . . not revenge . . . justice.

Doc you deserve every bit of abuse you're going to receive in this thread. I'm gonna refrain from typing what I think but I will say this. It is painfully obvious that Pat Tillman had more character in one fingernail that you will ever hope to accumulate in several lifetimes. I'll assume that your derision of his death has given you some feeling of moral superiority. I assure you it is a false feeling that exists only in your head. You are beneath contempt and unworthy of a response,save this final one, or even the saliva needed to spit in your face.

Well, I'm never one to shy from my opinion. And it's just that an opinion. From the senseless death in the ER (gunshot wounds, stabbings, and unbelted motor vehicle accidents) to the often purposeful yet still lamented deaths in combat (such as Tillman and EVERY other person who lost life or loved ones in Afghanistan) . . . all are worthy of careful introspection.

I have nothing more to go on than the limited public information about his decision and what prompted it. I feel absolutely no moral superiority towards any man (or woman). You can assure me nothing as to what I hold in my head anymoreso than you know anything about WHAT truly motivated Mr. Tillman. His life was important and is still important to the people that loved and knew the man personally. I mourn for them and I mourn for him. And all should respect the sacrifice he's made.

I guess we aren't having lunch in Charlotte, eh? I accept PM if you feel the need.

 

[chess9]

I've often said I'm not a pacifist because I'm not good enough to be one. Our species hasn't evolved much in the last 1000 years so we still need warriors because like Brutus we have politicians with no spine and questionable motives. Having said that, I would think that universal service of some kind, not necessarily in the military, would be good for America's kids.

-Robert

 

[Loralon]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
Doc you deserve every bit of abuse you're going to receive in this thread. I'm gonna refrain from typing what I think but I will say this. It is painfully obvious that Pat Tillman had more character in one fingernail that you will ever hope to accumulate in several lifetimes. I'll assume that your derision of his death has given you some feeling of moral superiority. I assure you it is a false feeling that exists only in your head. You are beneath contempt and unworthy of a response,save this final one, or even the saliva needed to spit in your face.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Mea culpa. There's nothing to imply Pat Tillman is anything other than a man committed to country and sense of duty. Any implication to contrary is without merit. I apologize to anyone that was offended by my comments. And if for some reason someone that actually knows Mr. Tillman or his family happened upon this thread . . . I sincerely offer a heartfelt apology for my ignorance and arrogance.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Mea culpa. There's nothing to imply Pat Tillman is anything other than a man committed to country and sense of duty. Any implication to contrary is without merit. I apologize to anyone that was offended by my comments. And if for some reason someone that actually knows Mr. Tillman or his family happened upon this thread . . . I sincerely offer a heartfelt apology for my ignorance and arrogance.

Your statements were very clear about the content of this mans character.