Pat Tillman Killed in Action

[sMiLeYz]

I agree his death is tragic, but what makes a football player different from the other nearly 800 US soldiers that gave their lives to the war? Because his sacrifice of millions of dollars worth of contracts? There are others who haved died that left behind wives and children.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
I agree his death is tragic, but what makes a football player different from the other nearly 800 US soldiers that gave their lives to the war? Because his sacrifice of millions of dollars worth of contracts? There are others who haved died that left behind wives and children.

Maybe if you'd read anything on this thread, you'd see that nobody has professed he was any better or any worse than any other soldier that dies. Not that you'd care, because you can only put war in terms of politics. You didn't even bother to read that his death was in Afghanistan, and hence has nothing to do with "millions of dollars of contracts".

Thanks, though, for providing another case study for my original points. Who needs to smear the left, they do it just fine themselves.

 

[GoodToGo]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
I agree his death is tragic, but what makes a football player different from the other nearly 800 US soldiers that gave their lives to the war? Because his sacrifice of millions of dollars worth of contracts? There are others who haved died that left behind wives and children.

What makes his story extraordinary is that he could have easily stayed back and waddled in his cash instead of travelling all the way to Iraq to answer the call of the country. He put his life in danger for his country while you sit here and bad mouth Bush. He did not accept the fact that he was rich or the fact that this war is unjustified to give up. He wanted to make a difference. That in itself is outstanding.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: alchemize

I think BBD is really, really upset about this. He's in damage control mode. He's spinning. Watch the other anti-war freaks start to do the same.



Tillman will be praised by most as a true american hero, and then smeared by the left. Sad it began so fast. But every time I say my opinion of the left can't descend any lower, the left finds a way to encourage me along.



They can't stand the image of sacrifice, of honor, of courage. Of everything that Tillman represents, they hate.

What a load of crock. You take Tillerman's death in oppurtunity to smear the left. Who this day, holds the opinion the war wasn't justified and hence his death wasn't necessary. BBD said what needed to be said. It doesn't matter if you agree with it or not.

You will also notice I said nothing about the left until BBD, who I commend for editing out his original comment, made his original comment.

And once again you class A 1 asshat, this was in afghanistan. Or are you going to say we were not justified in afghanistan?

 

[Ferocious]

BBD: If your origianl statement was your honest feeling, then IMO you should not have posted any sort of apology of any kind.

To apologize to people who bash others for stating their opinion is cowardly IMO.

This is still America....for now anyways.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: rchiu
If we did not send the 135,000 solders to Iraq and instead focus all our money and man power on Afghanistan, will Pat Tillman and hundreds of others still be alive today?



Afghanistan is where Al-Qaeda and Taliban based, no Iraq. Al-Qaeda is the one that caused 911, not Iraq. Taliban harbored Al-Qaeda, not Iraq. Why is our money and military focus on Iraq and leave the people fighting the real enemy vulnerable? Why those supposed patriots in the forum still support this war in Iraq, when the real war against terror is not done and not getting the attention and resources it deserves.

Funny, Orsorum takes no offense to this partisan trash, or any of BBD's.

1) Not offended by someone questioning Tillman's sacrifice
2) Not offended by someone trying to twist it into a war on iraq/war on terrorism thread.

Get over yourself Orsorum. Take your left-lensed partisan trash filter-glasses out of this thread.

Funny how you dismissed my post as partisan trash without even reading it carefully. I never questioned Tillman's sacrifice, in fact I praised him and everyone who fought in Afghanistan for fighting the real enemy of America. What I questioned is, why you all supposed patriots support the war in Iraq when there is not a evidence linking Iraq to the terrorists that caused 911. With all the man power and resources diverted, Tillman and those who fight against the real terrorist are put in more danger then they have to be in.

The death of Tillman and many others, no matter if they are football star or not, has everything to do with the war in Iraq and the war on terrorism. How this war on terrorism is fought and our involvement in Iraq has direct impact on people who fights the real terrorist in Afghanistan. With 135,000 more troops in Afghanistan, American soldiers there would face less danger. With 160+ billion dollar building Afghanistan instead of Iraq, there would be more support amongst Afghanistan people.

It's just ironic to see those blind supporters of this Admin chanting how heroic every fallen soldiers are while supporting policies put forth by this Admin that place those same soldiers in a dangerous situation in the first place.

 

[chess9]

rchiu:

As I said before your point is an excellent one and one that I would think any self-respecting conservative would take to heart. It is well-known that we are woefully understaffed in Afghanistan (and Iraq), but few people seem to realize that the lack of soldiers actually imperils the lives of those who are there. That is an important point that some here seem to want to sidestep.

-Robert

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

BBD said what needed to be said. It doesn't matter if you agree with it or not.

Uh well no I did not. Despite my rabid disdain for Bush administration policy and the jingoist xenophobes that tend to support it . . . there's nothing to suggest that Pat Tillman did anything other than follow his strongly held belief that service to his country meant giving up football and becoming a Ranger.

BBD: If your origianl statement was your honest feeling, then IMO you should not have posted any sort of apology of any kind.

My initial reaction was a reflexive response to the labels . . . but alas I was wrong. Despite the multiple iterations and exhortations on FOXNews or administration mouthpieces . . . this man deserves recognition for his service and sacrifice (life NOT the NFL career). But all the men and women of the US Armed Forces deserve more than they are getting from the media, general population, and this administration.

I originally thought others were making a mountain out of a mole hill. But for my part, I was just plain wrong. Hence, I redacted my posts and apologized.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: chess9
rchiu:

As I said before your point is an excellent one and one that I would think any self-respecting conservative would take to heart. It is well-known that we are woefully understaffed in Afghanistan (and Iraq), but few people seem to realize that the lack of soldiers actually imperils the lives of those who are there. That is an important point that some here seem to want to sidestep.

-Robert

Thanks, Robert. Just feel like I needed to point that out, or brave people like Tillman will continue to die and people will not take on the real issues that put those people in danger.

 

[Gaard]

"He really wasn't that good, not really," Rice said. "He was good enough to play in Arizona, [but] that's just like the XFL."

Apparently, he was good enough to make millions.

He was a good man.

RIP

 

[dbk]

R.I.P. brave soul

 

[Perknose]

I hold Pat Tillman, in life and in death, in the utmost esteem. His death is an American tragedy, but he died doing what he thought was his highest duty, and sacrificed fame and fortune to do so. Did you know that when he went to enlist he was offered OCS (Officer Candidate School), but declined, saying he wanted to start from the bottom up?

I am speechless at the strength and integrity of his character. He was a warrior.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Perknose
I hold Pat Tillman, in life and in death, in the utmost esteem. His death is an American tragedy, but he died doing what he thought was his highest duty, and sacrificed fame and fortune to do so.  Did you know that when he went to enlist he was offered OCS (Officer Candidate School), but declined, saying he wanted to start from the bottom up?

I am speechless at the strength and integrity of his character.  He was a warrior.

 

Along with so many others that are unknown until this ultimate sacrifice

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: rchiu

If we did not send the 135,000 solders to Iraq and instead focus all our money and man power on Afghanistan, will Pat Tillman and hundreds of others still be alive today?







Afghanistan is where Al-Qaeda and Taliban based, no Iraq. Al-Qaeda is the one that caused 911, not Iraq. Taliban harbored Al-Qaeda, not Iraq. Why is our money and military focus on Iraq and leave the people fighting the real enemy vulnerable? Why those supposed patriots in the forum still support this war in Iraq, when the real war against terror is not done and not getting the attention and resources it deserves.

Funny, Orsorum takes no offense to this partisan trash, or any of BBD's.



1) Not offended by someone questioning Tillman's sacrifice

2) Not offended by someone trying to twist it into a war on iraq/war on terrorism thread.



Get over yourself Orsorum. Take your left-lensed partisan trash filter-glasses out of this thread.

Funny how you dismissed my post as partisan trash without even reading it carefully. I never questioned Tillman's sacrifice, in fact I praised him and everyone who fought in Afghanistan for fighting the real enemy of America. What I questioned is, why you all supposed patriots support the war in Iraq when there is not a evidence linking Iraq to the terrorists that caused 911. With all the man power and resources diverted, Tillman and those who fight against the real terrorist are put in more danger then they have to be in.



The death of Tillman and many others, no matter if they are football star or not, has everything to do with the war in Iraq and the war on terrorism. How this war on terrorism is fought and our involvement in Iraq has direct impact on people who fights the real terrorist in Afghanistan. With 135,000 more troops in Afghanistan, American soldiers there would face less danger. With 160+ billion dollar building Afghanistan instead of Iraq, there would be more support amongst Afghanistan people.



It's just ironic to see those blind supporters of this Admin chanting how heroic every fallen soldiers are while supporting policies put forth by this Admin that place those same soldiers in a dangerous situation in the first place.

Of course you didn't question his sacrifice. You were too busy making your political points. Heck, you barely even mentioned him in your rant. It was just a convienent thread for you to blather in. You even did it again in this ^ post. Here, why don't you use this reply as another chance to rant again.

 

[myusername]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Of course you didn't question his sacrifice. You were too busy making your political points. Heck, you barely even mentioned him in your rant. It was just a convienent thread for you to blather in. You even did it again in this ^ post. Here, why don't you use this reply as another chance to rant again.

I'll take you up on this, you hypocritical ass. Since no one wants to read your blather more than once, let's just scan the following spew. I've conveniently bolded anything that mentions Pat Tillman, and to give you the benefit of the doubt, I've even removed everything you've quoted, so that it doesn't change the ratio of topical content to spew in your postings... Now let's see how much remains unbolded..

This guy gave up millions to serve his country after 9/11. As the OP said, no death is more or less significant, but I remember at the time thinking how great this guy was...IIRC he wouldn't even give interviews on his decision.
Edit: Good article written about him last December: Link

No it didn't take long at all, did it Babbles? There will be more...trust me.

Well, BBD is a pretty typical anti-war liberal. Throw money and love at the world, it will fix everything. We just didn't throw enough money and love at the Taliban. We had no right to attack Afghanistan. We made OBL attack us, it's our fault.

BBD's comments show something about his character as well, and I'm certain it isn't inherently positive. IMO of course.

I think BBD is really, really upset about this. He's in damage control mode. He's spinning. Watch the other anti-war freaks start to do the same.

Tillman will be praised by most as a true american hero, and then smeared by the left. Sad it began so fast. But every time I say my opinion of the left can't descend any lower, the left finds a way to encourage me along.

They can't stand the image of sacrifice, of honor, of courage. Of everything that Tillman represents, they hate.

God rest his soul, and soothe his families.

(long quote of Ultra Quiet stroking out in a vigorous personal attack of BBD. No original text added to post.)

Funny, Orsorum takes no offense to this partisan trash, or any of BBD's.

1) Not offended by someone questioning Tillman's sacrifice
2) Not offended by someone trying to twist it into a war on iraq/war on terrorism thread.

Get over yourself Orsorum. Take your left-lensed partisan trash filter-glasses out of this thread.

Do you usually skip over the first 5 replies to a thread, and go find the first one you don't like to reply to?

So why don't you dissect my comments and tell me how I'm wrong? Of course, I'm sure you'll get to that once you reply to myusername...(who is a case study for my "partisan trash")

Maybe if you'd read anything on this thread, you'd see that nobody has professed he was any better or any worse than any other soldier that dies. Not that you'd care, because you can only put war in terms of politics. You didn't even bother to read that his death was in Afghanistan, and hence has nothing to do with "millions of dollars of contracts".

Thanks, though, for providing another case study for my original points. Who needs to smear the left, they do it just fine themselves.

You will also notice I said nothing about the left until BBD, who I commend for editing out his original comment, made his original comment.

And once again you class A 1 asshat, this was in afghanistan. Or are you going to say we were not justified in afghanistan?

Choke on it.

 

[blahbling]

so two things,

how did he die?

would you make this sarifice? i wouldnt.

 

[prontospyder]

 

[alchemize]

I'll take you up on this, you hypocritical ass. Since no one wants to read your blather more than once, let's just scan the following spew. I've conveniently bolded anything that mentions Pat Tillman, and to give you the benefit of the doubt, I've even removed everything you've quoted, so that it doesn't change the ratio of topical content to spew in your postings... Now let's see how much remains unbolded..

I think we can summarize how many brain cells you have firing by a single quote from you:

You get paid for the pleasure of being able to kill brown people without going to jail.

Every quote you pulled, excluding the first (which was where I would have left it), was in response to a directed reply to me. Would have never heard another peep out of me without BBD's deleted post.

Piece of sh1t douchebag. Can't defend your own diarrhaea pouring out of your mouth. Can't even defend other liberals with their heads up their asses.

 

[myusername]

Originally posted by: alchemize

I think we can summarize how many brain cells you have firing by a single quote from you:

You get paid for the pleasure of being able to kill brown people without going to jail.

Can't even defend other liberals with their heads up their asses.

Yes, I can see how that quote would make me look like a liberal, or even partisan, as you earlier accused.

Are you so entrenched in the far right that when you encounter something unfamiliar you immediately assume it is coming from your left.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: myusername

Originally posted by: alchemize



I think we can summarize how many brain cells you have firing by a single quote from you:

You get paid for the pleasure of being able to kill brown people without going to jail.

Can't even defend other liberals with their heads up their asses.

Yes, I can see how that quote would make me look like a liberal, or even partisan, as you earlier accused.



Are you so entrenched in the far right that when you encounter something unfamiliar you immediately assume it is coming from your left.

Yes, he is. I've been mischaracterized as a spineless liberal leftie so many times it's starting to sound like a child's blathering.

 

[biostud]

Naivity is beautiful

may those who take advantage of naivity forever burn in hell

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
Doc you deserve every bit of abuse you're going to receive in this thread. I'm gonna refrain from typing what I think but I will say this. It is painfully obvious that Pat Tillman had more character in one fingernail that you will ever hope to accumulate in several lifetimes. I'll assume that your derision of his death has given you some feeling of moral superiority. I assure you it is a false feeling that exists only in your head. You are beneath contempt and unworthy of a response,save this final one, or even the saliva needed to spit in your face.

well said

 

[Genesys]

i hold Mr Tillman in high reguards for the decisions he made, his willingness to toss riches and fame down to embrace an ideal and to serve his country. It's a shame to lose him. He was a great American and if anyone deserves to be called a hero, it's him.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: myusername

Originally posted by: alchemize



I think we can summarize how many brain cells you have firing by a single quote from you:

You get paid for the pleasure of being able to kill brown people without going to jail.

Can't even defend other liberals with their heads up their asses.

Yes, I can see how that quote would make me look like a liberal, or even partisan, as you earlier accused.



Are you so entrenched in the far right that when you encounter something unfamiliar you immediately assume it is coming from your left.

Yes, he is. I've been mischaracterized as a spineless liberal leftie so many times it's starting to sound like a child's blathering.

Sounds like a duck...looks like a duck...quacks like a duck...

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Of course you didn't question his sacrifice. You were too busy making your political points. Heck, you barely even mentioned him in your rant. It was just a convienent thread for you to blather in. You even did it again in this ^ post. Here, why don't you use this reply as another chance to rant again.

yeah yeah, dismiss questions you can't answer as rant, what else is new with you people.

If you want a

for Pat Tillman, you got it.

and my deepest condolence to his family.

But is this all you think necessary to pay tribute to Pat Tillman? Why in the world are we going to war and hunting down those responsible for 911? we have the memorials, people all over paid tribute to those died in 911. Why are we trying to find out what happened and try to stop 911 from happening again?

Let me answer this for you in case you don't have the mental capacity to understand my question. That is because the best tribute to those died is to make sure their death was not in vain and we ask questions and try to understand what happened to prevent further sacrifices. That way, those who sacrificed actually sacrificed for a cause, not some meaningless event.

Now, do you understand why it is important to look at Pat Tillman's death and ask the tough questions? Is it that tough to look pass your party line and do what's right, like asking your beloved Admin why the heck they invaded Iraq, pulled resource from the real fight against terror, and put all those brave men and women in danger?