Pat Tillman Not A Hero

[Wallydraigle]

I only made it about 2/3 through. What a dick.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally posted by: Xiety

Originally posted by: jpeyton
He wasn't an idiot, but I agree that he wasn't a hero either.

I agree.

I'm sorry. Anyone who makes the ultimate sacrifice so to preserve liberty (wither ours or theirs) is a hero. It is called honor, and it is in short supply these days.

 

[GasX]

For people in the United States, who seem to be unable to admit the stupidity of both the Afghanistan and Iraqi wars...

I stopped reading there. He went from expressing a lucid opinion to hyperbolic tirade and I refused to go on...

 

[spliffstar69]

Originally posted by: dquan97
He should go back to Puerto Rico...ship him back in the floating pickup truck

You do realize thats like saying he should go back to Hawaii.

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Originally posted by: Xiety

Originally posted by: jpeyton
He wasn't an idiot, but I agree that he wasn't a hero either.

I agree.

I'm sorry. Anyone who makes the ultimate sacrifice so to preserve liberty (wither ours or theirs) is a hero. It is called honor, and it is in short supply these days.

I am sorry but that's not preserving liberty. Again, he definetly wasn't an idiot, nor a hero.

 

[Bassyhead]

Originally posted by: z0mb13
tilman is a hero

but other combatants that die in the war are no less hero than tilman

 

[Viper GTS]

He's entitled to his opinion, & I do agree with some of it (very little), but he's an idiot.

This part pisses me off:

Tillman, probably acting out his nationalist-patriotic fantasies forged in years of exposure to Clint Eastwood and Rambo movies, decided to insert himself into a conflict he didn't need to insert himself into. It wasn't like he was defending the East coast from an invasion of a foreign power. THAT would have been heroic and laudable. What he did was make himself useful to a foreign invading army, and he paid for it. It's hard to say I have any sympathy for his death because I don't feel like his "service" was necessary. He wasn't defending me, nor was he defending the Afghani people. He was acting out his macho, patriotic crap and I guess someone with a bigger gun did him in.

Who the hell is he to judge the motives of someone who died in combat? I see nothing in Tillman that would support that, this is purely speculation (and poor speculation at that).

Tillman is no more heroic than any other soldier who dies, but he did risk a life of luxury (and relative safety) for what he believed to be right. Not only that, he did so quietly & unassumingly. He was a soldier, not a football player.

His death is no more important than any other soldier's and should not be treated as such. His life, however, is what makes him noteworthy.

Viper GTS

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Pat Tillman is not better or worse than the rest of the 700 people who've died over in Iraq. The fvcking media is blowing this guy way out of proportion because he used to be a pro football player. Grr... I fvcking hate the media.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
He's entitled to his opinion, & I do agree with some of it (very little), but he's an idiot.

This part pisses me off:

Tillman, probably acting out his nationalist-patriotic fantasies forged in years of exposure to Clint Eastwood and Rambo movies, decided to insert himself into a conflict he didn't need to insert himself into. It wasn't like he was defending the East coast from an invasion of a foreign power. THAT would have been heroic and laudable. What he did was make himself useful to a foreign invading army, and he paid for it. It's hard to say I have any sympathy for his death because I don't feel like his "service" was necessary. He wasn't defending me, nor was he defending the Afghani people. He was acting out his macho, patriotic crap and I guess someone with a bigger gun did him in.

Who the hell is he to judge the motives of someone who died in combat? I see nothing in Tillman that would support that, this is purely speculation (and poor speculation at that).

Tillman is no more heroic than any other soldier who dies, but he did risk a life of luxury (and relative safety) for what he believed to be right. Not only that, he did so quietly & unassumingly. He was a soldier, not a football player.

His death is no more important than any other soldier's and should not be treated as such. His life, however, is what makes him noteworthy.

Viper GTS

Word.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Xiety

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Originally posted by: Xiety

Originally posted by: jpeyton
He wasn't an idiot, but I agree that he wasn't a hero either.

I agree.

I'm sorry. Anyone who makes the ultimate sacrifice so to preserve liberty (wither ours or theirs) is a hero. It is called honor, and it is in short supply these days.

I am sorry but that's not preserving liberty. Again, he definetly wasn't an idiot, nor a hero.

I agree.
Well, I don't KNOW that he wasn't an idiot, but if he was, it's not because he enlisted.

 

[raystorm]

I'm a little annoyed by some of the anti-puerto rico statements in a couple of the posts. Puerto Rico is practically a state (Though most of the citizens reject statehood). It is not some underdeveloped third world country that needs the US to protect them. Oh.. you could actually go there freely by plane too!!! No "floating pickup truck" needed! Also, this Rene Gonzalez character is in no way representative of the thoughts of puerto ricans such as myself who love the US and appreciate everything about it.

 

[spliffstar69]

Originally posted by: raystorm
I'm a little annoyed by some of the anti-puerto rico statements in a couple of the posts. Puerto Rico is practically a state (Though most of the citizens reject statehood). It is not some underdeveloped third world country that needs the US to protect them. Oh.. you could actually go there freely by plane too!!! No "floating pickup truck" needed! Also, this Rene Gonzalez character is in no way representative of the thoughts of puerto ricans such as myself who love the US and appreciate everything about it.

I hear ya, im from St.Thomas

 

[toekramp]

Originally posted by: Xiety

Originally posted by: jpeyton
He wasn't an idiot, but I agree that he wasn't a hero either.

I agree.

Basar don't be an ass

 

[Saulbadguy]

Originally posted by: amcdonald
The shamelessness of this article is disgusting. I will be calling this person.

Why would you call him? To give him the attention he wants? Duhh....

 

[MBony]

Geez, if this doesn't say "Write something unpopular to the masses and you'll get media attention" nothing does. The best thing to do to this guy is leave him alone...

Link

 

[PingSpike]

Man, even if that were my opinion...I'd have enough respect for the dead to shut the fvck up about it. What a shameless dumba$$.

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
Man, even if that were my opinion...I'd have enough respect for the dead to shut the fvck up about it. What a shameless dumba$$.

 

[TallBill]

I was thinking about Tillman myself today. I dont get what the big fuss is. Sure, he left a large contract to join the Army, but its not like he was hurting in the cash department. I know plenty of people who have joined who also took a large paycut, but didn't have the convenience of having millions in the bank account. That being said, it sucks that he died, along with every other soldier over there who has passed away.

 

[Apathetic]

Anyone who gives up $3.6 million to be an enlisted infantry man has my complete and utter respect.

Rene Gonzalez is a clueless ass.

Dave

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Apathetic
Anyone who gives up $3.6 million to be an enlisted infantry man has my complete and utter respect.

Rene Gonzalez is a clueless ass.

Dave

What about the other hundreds of thousands that give up time with their loved ones? Who give up bucketloads of freedom to serve teh country. Who give their life? Is this guy anymore then any of them? I think not.

But I do agree, Rene Gonzalez is a wenis

 

[Epiphany]

there are no heros in war.

 

[Electric Amish]

Originally posted by: z0mb13
tilman is a hero

but other combatants that die in the war are no less hero than tilman

Exactly. He's no more of a hero than the rest of the soldiers over there.

 

[CanOWorms]

I don't think he's an idiot, but I don't really think of him as a hero. Maybe I just have different definitions or view of it.

 

[jyates]

It's because of soldiers like Pat Tillman that this "writer" has the freedom
to say what was said in that article.

 

[DrPizza]

He has my respect for giving up his huge contract to join the rangers... but I have a little stronger definition of hero. Simply dying during a conflict doesn't make someone a hero. Locally, we had a young man (from 20 or 30 miles from here) who threw himself in front of an enemy grenade, shielding 2 other soldiers, and avoiding all 3 getting killed. That's the kind of selfless act that makes someone a hero. Tillman is no more a hero than any of the other soldiers who have died in these conflicts.

So he gave up a few million $$ to go to fight in Afghanistan. And, that makes him a better person than someone who had a minimum wage job to go to Afghanistan and also got killed?!