Pat Tillman's Brother Kevin

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Craig234
Pabster cannot disprove the vast majority of anything Kerry sais, so while he stands on the wrong side of killing millions of people, he nit picks Kerry for tiny things.

Kerry lied, and that is a fact. His Cambodia claim was beaten down rather quick. And his fear-mongering that GWB had some 'secret plan' to reinstate the draft circa January 2005 never materialized. What a shock!

And all you libs who continue to demonize and attack those who don't wear the uniform ought to check your mirrors real closely. There's only a handful here on this forum who HAVE and most of them don't engage in the BS you guys do.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Interesting how all of the alleged "patriots" in this forum, the most ardent flag-wavers, will slander a war veteran when they're not agreeing with 'em. Oh, but if its the Swift Boat dudes, taking out that commie Kerry, now you get a different tune. Pa-thetic. Slander this guy all you want, but he's entitled to his opinion.

I don't think one person did anything close to slandering Mr. Tillman. If I am wrong why don't you post the offending statement.

Please explain this as well, if someone had slandered Tilman that would have been bad right? But have you ever called Kerry out for his slandering of the troops in the 1970s? Or is this another example of selective outrage?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Craig234
Pabster cannot disprove the vast majority of anything Kerry sais, so while he stands on the wrong side of killing millions of people, he nit picks Kerry for tiny things.

Kerry lied, and that is a fact. His Cambodia claim was beaten down rather quick. And his fear-mongering that GWB had some 'secret plan' to reinstate the draft circa January 2005 never materialized. What a shock!

And all you libs who continue to demonize and attack those who don't wear the uniform ought to check your mirrors real closely. There's only a handful here on this forum who HAVE and most of them don't engage in the BS you guys do.

Actually there are more than a handful, and they generally don't engage in the BS you do, either.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Please explain this as well, if someone had slandered Tilman that would have been bad right? But have you ever called Kerry out for his slandering of the troops in the 1970s? Or is this another example of selective outrage?

m'kay - now what slander did Kerry lay upon us?

/and please, without a dozen links mis-quoting anything Kerry said....

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Please explain this as well, if someone had slandered Tilman that would have been bad right? But have you ever called Kerry out for his slandering of the troops in the 1970s? Or is this another example of selective outrage?

m'kay - now what slander did Kerry lay upon us?

/and please, without a dozen links mis-quoting anything Kerry said....

Talk about a softball question. Let me hit this one out of the park

From his 1971 congressional testimony

It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit, the emotions in the room, the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam, but they did. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.

They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

Here is a link to the text link It is the National Review, but they reprint what he said word for word without any comment on it at all.

I love the part where the senator plays up the fact that Kerry has as a silver star and three purple hearts, the same medals Kerry would claim to throw away, but actually didn't throw away.
Another Kerry statement

"There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals."

So John Kerry admits to being a war criminal? Or was he just following orders?

Now over a million American soldiers served in Vietnam at one time or another (many of those could be multiple deployments) of those million, how many of them were actually involved in the acts that Kerry described?
What Kerry did is along the lines of standing before congress and details what happened at Abu Ghraib and making it look like everyone American soldier was involved in the same type of abuses.

Slander: A false and malicious statement or report about someone.
also
1.slander - words falsely spoken that damage the reputation of another
2.slander - an abusive attack on a person's character or good name
3.slander - charge falsely or with malicious intent; attack the good name and reputation of someone; "The journalists have defamed me!" "The article in the paper sullied my reputation"

 

[trenchfoot]

oops, sorry, wrong thread...i thought this thread was about kevin and pat tillman. my bad.

 

[Craig234]

John: the slander is by you against Kerry. Kerry gave the soldiers a voice; he heard their stories; he testifed to Congress about what he did and what they said they did.

Kerry said that thousands of soldiers participated in free fire zones as he described them. You showed nothing to prove him wrong. He repeated what his fellow veterans said they did. You showed nothing to prove he misquoted them.

So, we have Kerry acting as a patriot in getting the truth to the public, and we have you serving the enemies of the truth in attacking him - and slandering him.

I also happen to know first hand that Seymour Hersh, who knows something about the topic, said that John Kerry's statements about the atrocities were 'all completely accurate'.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Talk about a softball question. Let me hit this one out of the park

Whatever park you think you're in, at least have the decency to use a pooper scooper every time you let that mouth of yours off the leash. :|

John Kerry put himself in harm's way, he fought. Then he came back and gave voice to the thousands of vets shamed by what they had done in that vicious little war, at a time when doing so was neither generally popular nor calculated to gain him any advantadge.

He slandered no one, he told the hard truths stateside desk jockeys like you never wanted to hear. You and your jump-suited draft dodger boy hero disgust me. Include that closet case Rove and five deferment Cheney in your party of four for a permanent table in hell, please. :| :| :|

 

[TRUMPHENT]

What else could you possibly add? Allow, me. Every time I read about a veteran from the wars, I keep getting the 507th Maintenance Company episode playing in my head.

Pvt Jessica Lynch was made into the poster girl soldier for the war in Iraq. The made for Hollywood rescue and her return to the US are indellible images. I doubt anyone remembers the name of the soldier of that unit that killed 9 Iraqis manning a mortar that was attacking Lynch's convoy. He wasn't as photogenic as Jessica.

Cheers to Kevin Tillman for exercising his US Constitution garanteed rights to free speech and expression of dissent.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Craig234
John Kennedy and John Kerry fit this, as vets who saw the horror of war and grew to hate it.

The same John Kerry who tried to tell us he spent Christmas in Cambodia 1968 right? :laugh:

And the same one who came back to accuse his comrades of war crimes and dispose of his medals?

I'm disgusted you would use Kerry as a basis for anything after all the lies that SOB told us.

/ignore

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: Pabster
"Kevin wrote on Truthdig.com, which purchased his work."

Truthdig is a well known left extremist site.

Form your own opinions on his writings, just know the credibility (or, in this case, lack of) of the source.

well said. Say what you will about Tillman's opinion, but the fact that he was paid to have his views slathered on a left wing extremist site makes one think about the site's own motives.

If truthdig is such a reputable upstanding, unbiased site, why do they need to pay army rangers to express their opinions? should they change their name to dollardig? It's not hard to dig for the "truth" when you have a fistful of cash in your hand.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Pabster
"Kevin wrote on Truthdig.com, which purchased his work."

Truthdig is a well known left extremist site.

Form your own opinions on his writings, just know the credibility (or, in this case, lack of) of the source.

well said. Say what you will about Tillman's opinion, but the fact that he was paid to have his views slathered on a left wing extremist site makes one think about the site's own motives.

If truthdig is such a reputable upstanding, unbiased site, why do they need to pay army rangers to express their opinions? should they change their name to dollardig? It's not hard to dig for the "truth" when you have a fistful of cash in your hand.

Are you suggesting that the Tillman's really don't believe what they wrote?

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Craig234
John Kennedy and John Kerry fit this, as vets who saw the horror of war and grew to hate it.

The same John Kerry who tried to tell us he spent Christmas in Cambodia 1968 right? :laugh:

And the same one who came back to accuse his comrades of war crimes and dispose of his medals?

I'm disgusted you would use Kerry as a basis for anything after all the lies that SOB told us.

You don't like people who lie to you?

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Talk about a softball question. Let me hit this one out of the park

From his 1971 congressional testimony

It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit, the emotions in the room, the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam, but they did. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.

They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

Here is a link to the text link It is the National Review, but they reprint what he said word for word without any comment on it at all.

Maybe I'm missing your point. Are you saying that Kerry was slandering the troops when he repeated what "they said"? Or are you saying that he was lying when he repeated what "they said" to him?

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Craig234
John Kennedy and John Kerry fit this, as vets who saw the horror of war and grew to hate it.

The same John Kerry who tried to tell us he spent Christmas in Cambodia 1968 right? :laugh:

And the same one who came back to accuse his comrades of war crimes and dispose of his medals?

I'm disgusted you would use Kerry as a basis for anything after all the lies that SOB told us.

/ignore

If more did that this board would be much nicer. Already with ya buddy. FYI, there is a firefox plugin that makes their little chirps go away. The only time you will see them is when someone else replies to their cries for attention.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Interesting how all of the alleged "patriots" in this forum, the most ardent flag-wavers, will slander a war veteran when they're not agreeing with 'em. Oh, but if its the Swift Boat dudes, taking out that commie Kerry, now you get a different tune. Pa-thetic. Slander this guy all you want, but he's entitled to his opinion.

I don't think one person did anything close to slandering Mr. Tillman. If I am wrong why don't you post the offending statement.

Please explain this as well, if someone had slandered Tilman that would have been bad right? But have you ever called Kerry out for his slandering of the troops in the 1970s? Or is this another example of selective outrage?

It was anticipatory, given the standard wing-nut M.O. And frankly, Kerry has nothing to do with this thread. I regret even mentioning him.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Craig234
Pabster cannot disprove the vast majority of anything Kerry sais, so while he stands on the wrong side of killing millions of people, he nit picks Kerry for tiny things.

Kerry lied, and that is a fact. His Cambodia claim was beaten down rather quick. And his fear-mongering that GWB had some 'secret plan' to reinstate the draft circa January 2005 never materialized. What a shock!

Let me guess... the President at the time said there were no troops in Cambodia pre-1969.

Bahahahaha!!!

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: her209

Let me guess... the President at the time said there were no troops in Cambodia pre-1969.

Bahahahaha!!!

Grunt

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Craig234
John Kennedy and John Kerry fit this, as vets who saw the horror of war and grew to hate it.

The same John Kerry who tried to tell us he spent Christmas in Cambodia 1968 right? :laugh:

And the same one who came back to accuse his comrades of war crimes and dispose of his medals?

I'm disgusted you would use Kerry as a basis for anything after all the lies that SOB told us.

How do you know that he lied about the war crimes?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

How do you know that he lied about the war crimes?

The right finds little things to nit pick, ignoring the larger picture of how the overall info was accurate.

It's the same way they rank Kerry below Bush for his service, by ranking a mistake on a statement about Cambodia as worse than using connections to avoid the draft.

I mean, Bush has *confessed* - he said he picked from different ideas how to avoid the draft, including Canada and blowing out his eardrum, and chose the National Guard *as a way to avoid the draft*; and when a reporter later suggested he had volunteered to serve in Viet Nam, Bush told him, that's wrong. But the right wingers don't seem to have heard that. It's so ironic how they worship the guy who they would scream about were he a democrat for the same behaviors.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
It was anticipatory, given the standard wing-nut M.O.

And frankly, Kerry has nothing to do with this thread. I regret even mentioning him.

Well Jeesh, only Democrats Lie or Embelish, didn't you know that?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Kerry lied, and that is a fact. His Cambodia claim was beaten down rather quick. And his fear-mongering that GWB had some 'secret plan' to reinstate the draft circa January 2005 never materialized. What a shock!

Kerry shed real blood in military service, and he did it more than once. He came from a privileged background, and he could have easily stepped aside and let others go.

What have you done for your country, other than repeat the lies of your inept, lying TRAITOR of a President and his inept, lying, traitous administration?

And all you libs who continue to demonize and attack those who don't wear the uniform ought to check your mirrors real closely. There's only a handful here on this forum who HAVE and most of them don't engage in the BS you guys do.

I did wear the uniform. It was just the reserves, but the nation wasn't in combat, and unlike one of our sitting chicken hawk Presidents, I put in my full six years.

 

[maluckey]

Kevin Tillman has his opinion, which is valid to him. Kerry had his opinion, which is valid to him.

The difference is that Kevin wants badly to bring his brother back, and somehow misses the point, and blames an after-the-fact cover-ups for it, and Kerry wants to after-the-fact cover-up his fictionary trip to Cambodia and self-inflicted grenade wound and self-admitted war crimes.

I approve of Tillman holding his superiors to the fire to do what's right and admit to a cover-up. It doesn't change how his brother died, nor will it bring him back, but it will show that truth and honor mean something, and is apparently in short supply.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

Originally posted by: her209
Let me guess... the President at the time said there were no troops in Cambodia pre-1969.

Bahahahaha!!!

Grunt

What does that mean? I don't speak "grunt".

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: dahunan
So, because an Army Ranger was paid to write something means HE IS A LYING LEFTY PIECE OF ******.. that is what you think of lefty's right? they are just worthless pieces of ******. .right?

Did I say that?

You imply it certainly.