Patent office cancels Redskins trademark

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JulesMaximus

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Jul 3, 2003
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The funny thing about this, and the Cleveland Indians where I live, that just removed the huge lit up Indians mascot....

I've never once seen an American Indian say that these things offend them.

You'd think the news would go straight to an Indian to hear how they are offended, but nope.

Are you really going to attempt (and fail) to speak for all Native Americans on this issue?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tim-giago/native-american-mascots_b_1907486.html

Twenty years ago I was on the Oprah Winfrey Show with Michael Haney and Suzanne Harjo to talk about the use of Native Americans as mascots for America's fun and games.

It was the first time in television history that a major talk show allowed Native Americans to openly discuss why we do not appreciate our use as mascots for sports teams.

I believe that tape is still available through Harpo Productions if anyone wants to see what happened on that show. In the ensuing years no other major network has found the topic interesting enough to pursue. After all, the mascot issue affects only a very small and politically weak segment of the U.S. population and there are those dissenters even among the Indian people who defend this nefarious practice.

So, while you may not know anyone personally who is offended by this, big surprise there, it doesn't mean there aren't any.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Apr 19, 2001
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I didn't know the USPTO could do such a thing. I'm not sure they should.

Apparently they can, but I agree about questioning whether they should. This is a hell of a dangerous door to open if any trademark can be taken away by three idiots with almost no due process or oversight. What's going to stop a couple of Irish people from pulling the same thing on Notre Dame? There are going to be thousands of copycat cases where tiny special interest groups are going to invent ways to be offended about seemingly innocuous trademarks.
 

poofyhairguy

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Nov 20, 2005
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I didn't know the USPTO could do such a thing. I'm not sure they should.

US trademark law prohibits the registration of trademarks that, among other things, "may disparage... persons, living or dead, institutions, beliefs or national symbols, or bring them into contempt or disrepute".

That line is very open to be interrupted to whatever the current modern sensibilities of the time are, which is what is happening here.
 

Bateluer

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Jun 23, 2001
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USPTO will cancel this, but not patents on rectangles, icons on a grid, or any of the plethora of stupid patents granted in the mobile arena?
 

purbeast0

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just heard on local sports talk radio this is the 3rd time this has happened since 1999, and every time the appeal has been won by the redskins. hopefully they win it again this time.
 

nehalem256

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US trademark law prohibits the registration of trademarks that, among other things, "may disparage... persons, living or dead, institutions, beliefs or national symbols, or bring them into contempt or disrepute".

That line is very open to be interrupted to whatever the current modern sensibilities of the time are, which is what is happening here.

Which would seem to be exactly the opposite of what the Washington Redskins does.

If you think of redskins everyone thinks of it as a team name not a racial slur.

Seems like a positive thing to me.
 

nageov3t

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Feb 18, 2004
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Who exactly is offended by the name?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...amanda-blackhorse-in-redskins-trademark-case/

If the United States Patent and Trademark Office’s decision to cancel the trademark of the Washington Redskins stands, Amanda Blackhorse will deserve a large part of the credit.

Blackhorse, a Navajo and psychiatric social worker, is the named plaintiff in the case known as Blackhorse et al v. Pro-Football Inc., the lawsuit filed by five Native Americans. In a USA Today profile this spring, Blackhorse said she considered what she might say to Redskins owner Daniel Snyder if she ever meets him.

“I’d ask him, ‘Would you dare call me a beloved patriot, right here, to my face?’ ” she says. “And I suspect that, no, he would not do that.”

The Blackhorse plaintiffs made essentially the same argument as those who filed the Harjo et al v. Pro-Football Inc. trademark suit in 1992. It was tied up in litigation for 17 years after Suzan Shown Harjo and six petitioners won a decision from the trademark board in 1999, then saw it overturned on appeal on the basis that they had waited too long to assert their rights.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...amanda-blackhorse-in-redskins-trademark-case/
 

poofyhairguy

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Nov 20, 2005
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Which would seem to be exactly the opposite of what the Washington Redskins does.

If you think of redskins everyone thinks of it as a team name not a racial slur.

Seems like a positive thing to me.

Taking the term back if you will?

 

bradley

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Jan 9, 2000
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Way overreaching by the patent office. There's a reason our Founding Fathers left us with a system of checks and balances. And this decision does nothing to impact your life as did allowing human genes to be patented.
 

nageov3t

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You mean these?


interesting story behind that picture...

After months of courting support in Indian country, Snyder finally chalked up a big success: Seven octogenarian Navajo Code Talkers have endorsed the Redskins name and mascot. But judging from the reaction in Indian country, it could be his greatest misstep yet in this sordid campaign.

The endorsement was approved at a meeting of the Navajo Code Talkers Association (NCTA) in Window Rock, Arizona on February 28 – and was met with outrage from the descendants of code talkers actively involved in the association and devoted to honoring the legacy of their fathers and grandfathers...

Suzan Harjo wrote of the event: “The Redskins’ ‘honoring’ of Navajo code talkers consisted of four frail veterans standing in the end zone and receiving a round of applause. Three of the four Navajo elders wore Redskins jackets, with the new-clothes price tags still hanging at their wrists. These seniors probably thought this was another in a long line of recent recognitions of their WWII achievements some 70 years ago, rather than any implied endorsement of the team’s name.”

On hearing about the Code Talkers endorsement of the Redskins, Harjo honed in on MacDonald’s involvement. “He has a long history of exploiting his people,” she said, “and I think this is an example of that.”

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwo...-navajo-code-talkers-assoc-endorsement-153932
 

Red Storm

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Oct 2, 2005
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If they're going to attack a sports team over something this dumb, they should at least start with the Cleveland Indians.
 

poofyhairguy

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Nov 20, 2005
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Find a reference to Redskins in the last 15 years that isn't about the Washington Redskins or another sports team.

No thank you, I don't like digging in the Stormfront section of the internet. I would say the fact that there isn't any modern mainstream references to the term except the NFL team proves the point- in polite society that term was shunned decades ago. If it was still an acceptable word for Native Americans it would be used.
 

Sho'Nuff

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I rest my case.

This is stupidity. The meaning of a term is dependent on its context. "Cracker" for example, has a racist and non racist meaning. Based on the context in which the term is used, I know which meaning is intended. beloved patriot, while highly offensive at one time, now clearly has another non-offensive meaning, i.e., as it pertains to a football team. I hope that we are not so dense as a society (yet) to be at the point where we can no longer rely on the general intelligence of people to be able to ascertain the intended meaning of the term.
 
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