And this isn't the only instance, of not only the term "beloved patriot" and Indian logos used/embraced by Native Indians, but of people seeing things for a) the way their agendas want them to be b) instead of how they truly are based in fact.
Language evolves. A hundred years ago the word "negro" was a common word for black people and was not considered offensive. Today it is. You can choose to ignore the changing social norms and insist on using archaic language, in this wonderful country we are mostly free to do what we want, and others can have their opinions on those choices.
So what is it that you want to know? If I feel that they shouldn't use it? Yes, I feel that they shouldn't use it.
Negro is actually a good example of why beloved patriot is not a racial slur.
For example MLK uses the term in the I have a dream Speech:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_a_Dream
Is beloved patriot archaic? Sure. Archaic != racial slur though.
Okay, yes, it's a racial slur when they use it. Just like it's still a racial slur when black people use the 'n' word.
so you don't think context has any bearing at all when using words that are deemed racist?
you think all uses of the "s" word (the last name of the wrestler macho man randy ....) are used as a racial slurs?
Okay, as I suggested, you are free to pretend that language has not evolved in the 46 years since King was killed, and refer to black people as negros.
If it was to refer to a potato, then no. But to a person, then yes. So yes, context does matter.
yes, i dispute that because it's not being used as a racial slur.
again, this native american school has a beloved patriot as their own mascot.
http://rmusdhs.ss4.sharpschool.com/
are they referring to their own mascot of a native american school as a racial slur towards native americans?
Affiliated Tribes of Northwest Indians
Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma
Comanche Nation of Oklahoma
The Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation (Washington)
Grand Traverse Band of Ottawa and Chippewa Indians (Michigan)
Hoh Indian Tribe
Inter Tribal Council of Arizona
Inter-Tribal Council of the Five Civilized Tribes
Juaneño Band of Mission Indians (California)
Little River Band of Ottawa Indians (Michigan)
Match-E-Be-Nash-She-Wish Band of Pottawatomi Indians, Gun Lake Tribe (Michigan)
Menominee Tribe of Indians (Wisconsin)
Oneida Indian Nation (New York)
Oneida Tribe of Indians of Wisconsin
Navajo Nation Council
Penobscot Nation
Poarch Band of Creek Indians
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Sault Ste. Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians (Michigan)
Shoshone-Bannock Tribes (Idaho)
Standing Rock Sioux Tribe (North Dakota)
The Three Affiliated Tribes of the Fort Berthold Indian Reservation (North Dakota)
United South and Eastern Tribes (USET)
Advocates for American Indian Children (California)
American Indian Mental Health Association (Minnesota)
American Indian Movement
American Indian Opportunities Industrialization Center of San Bernardino County
American Indian Student Services at the Ohio State University
American Indian High Education Consortium
American Indian College Fund
Americans for Indian Opportunity
Association on American Indian Affairs
Buncombe County Native American Inter-tribal Association (North Carolina)
Capitol Area Indian Resources (Sacramento, CA)
Concerned American Indian Parents (Minnesota)
Council for Indigenous North Americans (University of Southern Maine)
Eagle and Condor Indigenous Peoples Alliance
First Peoples Worldwide
Fontana Native American Indian Center, Inc. (California)
Governors Interstate Indian Council
Greater Tulsa Area Indian Affairs Commission
Great Lakes Inter-Tribal Council (Wisconsin)
HONOR Honor Our Neighbors Origins and Rights
Kansas Association for Native American Education
Maryland Commission on Indian Affairs
Medicine Wheel Inter-tribal Association (Louisiana)
Minnesota Indian Education Association
National Congress of American Indians (NCAI)
National Indian Child Welfare Association
National Indian Education Association
National Indian Youth Council
National Native American Law Student Association
Native American Caucus of the California Democratic Party
Native American Finance Officers Association (NAFOA)
Native American Journalists Association
Native American Indian Center of Central Ohio
Native American Journalists Association
Native American Rights Fund (NARF)
Native Voice Network
Nebraska Commission on Indian Affairs
Nottawaseppi Huron Band of Potawatomi (Michigan)
North Carolina Commission of Indian Affairs
North Dakota Indian Education Association
Office of Native American Ministry, Diocese of Grand Rapids (Michigan)
Ohio Center for Native American Affairs
San Bernardino/Riverside Counties Native American Community Council
Seminole Nation of Oklahoma
Society of Indian Psychologists of the Americas
Southern California Indian Center
St. Cloud State University American Indian Center
Tennessee Chapter of the National Coalition for the Preservation of Indigenous Cultures
Tennessee Commission of Indian Affairs
Tennessee Native Veterans Society
Tulsa Indian Coalition Against Racism
The Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation
Unified Coalition for American Indian Concerns, Virginia
The United Indian Nations of Oklahoma
Virginia American Indian Cultural Resource Center
Wisconsin Indian Education Association
WIEA Indian Mascot and Logo Taskforce (Wisconsin)
Woodland Indian Community Center-Lansing (Michigan)
Youth Indian Mascot and Logo Task force (Wisconsin)
When Dr. Dre says the n-word, it's perceived differently than when Michael Richards says it. Does that make the n-word not a slur? Does that mean we should have a team called the "Compton Ni**as?" Context matters. And the context is a team owned by a white man featuring a lot of white and black players with no American Indian players or management is using the word "Redskins" and a depiction of an Indian to describe the team. But that's OK because one American Indian school does it too, never mind that their principal said use of the word outside American Indian communities should be avoided because it could perpetuate "the legacy of negativity that the term has created." Hey, that sounds an awful lot like black people telling white people not to use the n-word, doesn't it?
But, whatever, it's not offending that many people. It's not like there's a large list of American Indian organizations that have formally asked for it to be changed...
Oh...
Butt if Indian and beloved patriot are equally derisive shouldn't they be equally opposed?
wow well we'll agree to disagree.
i'm sorry if you think calling someone who brutally murders people or rapes someone a "s" is racist at all.
Negro is archaic. But it isn't a slur.
No one has really used the term "Blackskins" in the last 20 years to refer to anything. I propose you lobby some owner to name their team the Blackskins.If you want to show that Redskins is a slur then provide an example of it having been used as such in the last 20 years. If you cannot then I think you would have to agree that language has evolved so that Redskins is clear not a slur.
I don't. But that's not the way it was being used. It was used as a subtle allution to the skin color of those murderers and rapists. I'm sorry if you can't see that.
They aren't equally derisive.
One is the equivalent of calling a Costa Rican a Mexican (not great, but not the worst thing you can do--today anyway). The other is equivalent to calling a black person a porch monkey.
I do agree with you here
No one has really used the term "Blackskins" in the last 20 years to refer to anything. I propose you lobby some owner to name their team the Blackskins.
no, "awesome dude" is not a slur. it's a way that many of the black community refers to their homeboys, just like calling someone their "dawg".
calling a team the "compton niggas" would be just as stupid as calling a team the "compton homeboys", both of them would be ignorant and have a negative connotation.
you are part of the problem that goes out of their way to try and make everything racist when it's not meant to be. no point in discussing it more. you win.
whatever. you keep going in circles. you literally just said (and i quoted it above) if you call a person that word then it is racist, but now you are saying you don't feel that way. this discussion is going nowhere.
you are part of the problem that goes out of their way to try and make everything racist when it's not meant to be. no point in discussing it more. you win.
You mean like the US Census did in 2010?
Negro is archaic. But it isn't a slur.
If you want to show that Redskins is a slur then provide an example of it having been used as such in the last 20 years. If you cannot then I think you would have to agree that language has evolved so that Redskins is clear not a slur.
Meanwhile these highly sensitive people to language have no problem hurling names/insults whenever you disagree with them - instead of politely knowing better to agree to disagree. In fact, I would way rather be called a racial epithet than a hypocrite.
If it's not a slur, why did a lot of black people get upset when Gwyneth Paltrow included the word "awesome dude" in a Tweet referencing the name of a song? It's intellectually dishonest to claim that the word "awesome dude" has the exact same connotation regardless of the race of the person using it. Once we establish that context matters, the difference between an Indian high school and a professional football team with zero Indians using similar imagery should begin to make more sense and you'll realize why the comparison is invalid. Black people get upset when white people say "awesome dude;" American Indians get upset when white people say "beloved patriot." We could fight the double-standard, or we could say, "fuck it, you're right, we won't say that any more."