Path of Exile 2.0 - Discussion

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Homerboy

Lifer
Mar 1, 2000
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Atlas does sound interesting to me as the only part of the game I REALLY like to do anymore is the maps. I HATE slogging through the storyline three damned times.
 

Homerboy

Lifer
Mar 1, 2000
30,856
4,974
126
That's the other thing... I need to find a build I like. Didn't find one last league and I bailed.
Not sure what to do next time around.
 

Majes

Golden Member
Apr 8, 2008
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Atlas does sound interesting to me as the only part of the game I REALLY like to do anymore is the maps. I HATE slogging through the storyline three damned times.

See I loved taking a break from maps last league and just running prophecies. Some required you to run certain maps but there were also some that had you revisit previous areas. It was a nice break from pure mapping every single league. I'm hoping Ill be ready to map heavy this next one, but we will see...
 

TallBill

Lifer
Apr 29, 2001
46,044
62
91
I'm kinda glad Prophecy will stick around. I clear mine out from time to time, sell a few of the valuable ones and then go back to mapping.

There is already talk on reddit about only unlocking certain maps to increase farming ability. I will not be doing any targeted unlocking, at least in this first league. Possibly in the future but I'm just shooting for 100. The extra 100% chance of map drops is nice too.
 

Jax Omen

Golden Member
Mar 14, 2008
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I'm kinda glad Prophecy will stick around. I clear mine out from time to time, sell a few of the valuable ones and then go back to mapping.

There is already talk on reddit about only unlocking certain maps to increase farming ability. I will not be doing any targeted unlocking, at least in this first league. Possibly in the future but I'm just shooting for 100. The extra 100% chance of map drops is nice too.

Those people on reddit are morons.

Clearing every map = 100% more maps. Period.

Clearing only "optimal" maps = ~50% more maps.

Clear every map, sell the maps you don't want to buy the maps you do, come out ahead overall. Only correct way to map.
 

bigaug

Member
Jan 28, 2007
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I'll be jumping back in after a couple years. Pretty excited to see how much the game has changed. Gonna play a summoner. It'll be nice to be bad ass without snapshotting lol
 

smackababy

Lifer
Oct 30, 2008
27,024
79
86
I'm pretty sure one poor/bad league won't start PoE on the path to death. PoE has had bad leagues before (shrines anyone?). People always come back because it blows away every other ARPG out there right now. The Atlas will help retain players even if "crafting league" is a failure. I may even play some of my standard characters if I dislike the new league.
It's not just one bad league. When the only way to get a league with high retention is to give away free uniques (not that that is especially bad, as I enjoyed Perandus), it's a sign. And, the rumored CoC changes are going to be a big drop in playerbase. The largest exodus was the last time they nerfed Cast on Crit.

A crafting league is going to be a real failure. Crafting is already something nobody that doesn't player the market or play 40+ hours a week really cares about.

PoE developers are listening more and more to Reddit, which are full of morons and ruining the game. People constantly cry about "clear speed meta" like spending an hour to clear a map is desirable. Poe developers are also balancing based on the ultra wealthy, top 0.1% streamers. Just because guys like Baked Chicken and no life a build to some crazy clear speed doesn't mean the majority of players are anywhere near that. Balancing skills like EQ because reddit cries is so good just makes anyone who doesn't want to shoot themselves play bow or spells.

I don't know. Maybe I'm too jaded, but I've seen it. People who don't understand the real problem complain the loudest and things get changed that only bandaid fix and those complaining leave anyway.
 

TallBill

Lifer
Apr 29, 2001
46,044
62
91
Chris just announced a respec in the works for the Atlas.

The only map I'm not looking forward to "beating" out of the 100 is the Hall of Guardians. I've never even come close to scratching it, even with my ridiculous chaos ice trapper last league.
 

Thump553

Lifer
Jun 2, 2000
12,726
2,501
126
I'm kinda glad Prophecy will stick around. I clear mine out from time to time, sell a few of the valuable ones and then go back to mapping.

There is already talk on reddit about only unlocking certain maps to increase farming ability. I will not be doing any targeted unlocking, at least in this first league. Possibly in the future but I'm just shooting for 100. The extra 100% chance of map drops is nice too.

Prophecy is staying around? That would be good, I have a build that is just now reaching map level.
 

Majes

Golden Member
Apr 8, 2008
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It's not just one bad league. When the only way to get a league with high retention is to give away free uniques (not that that is especially bad, as I enjoyed Perandus), it's a sign. And, the rumored CoC changes are going to be a big drop in playerbase. The largest exodus was the last time they nerfed Cast on Crit.

A crafting league is going to be a real failure. Crafting is already something nobody that doesn't player the market or play 40+ hours a week really cares about.

PoE developers are listening more and more to Reddit, which are full of morons and ruining the game. People constantly cry about "clear speed meta" like spending an hour to clear a map is desirable. Poe developers are also balancing based on the ultra wealthy, top 0.1% streamers. Just because guys like Baked Chicken and no life a build to some crazy clear speed doesn't mean the majority of players are anywhere near that. Balancing skills like EQ because reddit cries is so good just makes anyone who doesn't want to shoot themselves play bow or spells.

I don't know. Maybe I'm too jaded, but I've seen it. People who don't understand the real problem complain the loudest and things get changed that only bandaid fix and those complaining leave anyway.


I actually agree with your points here... I just don't think it's as "doom and gloom" as you picture it to be. I think you're right about this league in that it won't retain the players that the past two have... However, for GGG to be successful it's really not that different if people play for 3 weeks or 5 weeks each league. They just need people to splurge on their supporter packs and I'm sure they have a good feel for what keeps that income churning.

I happen to like that they are adding some difficult (or slow clearing) content. I like that the lab is in the game and that there are a few boss encounters that aren't killed in under 10 seconds. As long as these encounters don't become that majority... I think it adds variety to a game that had become extremely easy and grinding.

I was able to clear through almost all the content in the game last league with a dual wield lacerate build which is definitely not considered an optimal PoE build... I didn't do Uber Atiziri and there are a couple of the top maps I didn't drop and therefore didn't do. I doubt I could have done Uber Atziri, but I cleared the normal version just fine. I don't follow the reddit threads, but I know PoE is always going to have build balance issues so I don't let it vex me too much unless they hype a new build and it's terrible or the mechanic is broken. Last league their frost bolt-vortex combo was bugged on release and wouldn't cast correctly so I scrapped that build and went lacerate.

PoE has done their share of knee-jerk balance changes in the past, but they've done a better job overall than most companies so I tend to trust them. I'm not worried about their longevity. As far as I know their company is still expanding off of one game which is amazing!
 

TallBill

Lifer
Apr 29, 2001
46,044
62
91
Prophecy is staying around? That would be good, I have a build that is just now reaching map level.
Yup. From what I understand in full form. It makes sense because only when active prophecies are met does anything really change on the game world.

You can hide silver coins and skip interactions if you want.
 

smackababy

Lifer
Oct 30, 2008
27,024
79
86
Yup. From what I understand in full form. It makes sense because only when active prophecies are met does anything really change on the game world.

You can hide silver coins and skip interactions if you want.

Yes, though silver coins are going to drop much less and you won't have immediate access to prophecies (to not break races with more rng). So, like after a certain point in act 1, the NPC will show up.

I hope they add more fated uniques. The concept and implementation was actually good.
 

EliteRetard

Diamond Member
Mar 6, 2006
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I aint played since 2.0. Pretty much had all my HC champs wiped due to bugs, balance issues, and just the surprise of new stuff/bosses.
I've always played solo I'm not one of those social types. Didn't feel like restarting from zero so I stopped playing.

Browsing around the forum I just happened to bump into this thread, figured I'd pop in and see what's new.
It's been what, a year since 2.0? Is it now possible to actually solo your way through the game from scratch or do you still need 500+ hours of grinding just to get to merciless (especially with act 4 added)?
I still find it depressing, been playing since early beta with hundreds of hours in...doing lvl 70+ maps, I'd never found or had anything higher than a regal. Did have a stack of GCP from those tri-colors.
 

TallBill

Lifer
Apr 29, 2001
46,044
62
91
Plenty of people play solo self found with a high degree of success.

Even getting a 5 link is relatively easy with prophecy.

Poe.trade has made buying and selling super easy as well with very very little interaction.

I would like to make a solo self found character at some point.
 

Majes

Golden Member
Apr 8, 2008
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I aint played since 2.0. Pretty much had all my HC champs wiped due to bugs, balance issues, and just the surprise of new stuff/bosses.
I've always played solo I'm not one of those social types. Didn't feel like restarting from zero so I stopped playing.

Browsing around the forum I just happened to bump into this thread, figured I'd pop in and see what's new.
It's been what, a year since 2.0? Is it now possible to actually solo your way through the game from scratch or do you still need 500+ hours of grinding just to get to merciless (especially with act 4 added)?
I still find it depressing, been playing since early beta with hundreds of hours in...doing lvl 70+ maps, I'd never found or had anything higher than a regal. Did have a stack of GCP from those tri-colors.

I generally make it to Merciless the first night of a league (generally 6-8 hours of play). Act 4 can be a slog sometimes, but the game had pretty consistent progression till the end-game. I wouldn't play hardcore for the start of new content... I know some people only play hardcore but in PoE it's just not possible until you learn the content and there are often day 1 bugs or balance issues that just wreck characters.

There's so much new stuff in PoE that it's worth it to take your time and go through. The prophecy system from last league is fantastic and adds a lot to the non-mapping portion of the game.

Honestly If you don't have much time I wouldn't recommend it. If you can put 2-3 hours a day or like 8-10 a week then sure. You'll make it to maps and have a good time. If you can only play 4-5 hours a week then I'm not sure this is the game for you anymore. I'll probably put in 20 hours day 1 and 2, then depending on how the league is going I pull 40+ hour weeks or I stop. I love the game though and happen to think it's the best game going at the moment.
 

Jax Omen

Golden Member
Mar 14, 2008
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Yeah I'm sorry but if you think it takes many hours of grinding to reach merciless you are doing something very very very wrong
 

EliteRetard

Diamond Member
Mar 6, 2006
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*snip* I know some people only play hardcore but in PoE it's just not possible until you learn the content and there are often day 1 bugs or balance issues that just wreck characters.
*snip*

This is what wiped out my HC characters when they added act 4 for the first time.
The game had just gotten way to damn hard, and pretty much everything valuable I had was on my champs when they died.
Just couldn't get myself to start over from scratch. And yeah I guess part of it is I didn't have the time to invest. Even with (my) good gear it would take me that 6-8 hours to beat normal (if I was rushing), probably more for cruel, don't think I ever did beat the act 4 boss in merciless. I can't think of one time I beat all of normal in a single go (always hung up in act 2 for that boss).

And I've just never had the ability to be a great game player anyway, and have below average reaction time. I have issues with my hands (and they're quite large) that make it very hard to handle more than ~4 buttons at a time. Usually wasd, and the space bar with my thumb but even that is cramped and becomes uncomfortable. If I want to press other buttons like the number keys I have to look down and move my hand to get them, though I have gotten use to moving up just one row to hit them with my middle finger (twisting my wrist to move side to side [can you say carpal tunnel?]). For the mouse, well they're all way to dang small...can barely fit two fingers and the thumb on there. Can't use horizontal forward/back buttons (thumb joint usually rested on the forward, couldn't reach back without letting go of mouse), so I found a MS mouse that has them laid out vertical (so again, 4 buttons).

Usually for games like this it's enough. Enjoyed the heck out of Diablo2, and even this game for a long time. But it just kept getting harder and harder and it sure felt like I couldn't keep up, both physically and gear wise. Act 4 was the tipping point, it just sh*t on my champs when I was trying my absolute best. And there were totally unfair deaths that were extremely frustrating, regular spiders that hit for like a million chaos damage (pretty sure it was viper strike)...even 20k+ life and 75% resist only gave a second to see my life drop from full to zero, desperately spamming all my pots.

Actually, do they have any pots for chaos now? They had them to stop bleeding and such, but there was nothing at all to stop chaos over time.
 

EliteRetard

Diamond Member
Mar 6, 2006
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Game difficulty is balanced around HC players having a log out macro, which is stupid and takes zero skill.

Never understood macros. How to make them, use them etc. I tried figuring it out once, way to fucking hard. Don't think I'll ever use one...to damn old.
Don't even get me started on game pads... I guess I'll be stuck with Master of Orion on DOSBox. Turn by turn with a save function.
 

Thump553

Lifer
Jun 2, 2000
12,726
2,501
126
Eliteretard: My so-called skill level and playing style are pretty much what your described. Try the chieftain fire totem build and do softcore-unless you are a laboratory rat you'll die in the lab for such. I reluctantly gave up on hardcore because of the lab.

And what was said about poe.trade (also buy some premium slots if you want to sell, they should be sale before the next league starts) is very truly. I barely traded at all until this league and go into multiplayer games maybe once a week.

Link to FT build: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5Wgui0rPBs
 

Majes

Golden Member
Apr 8, 2008
1,164
148
106
This is what wiped out my HC characters when they added act 4 for the first time.
The game had just gotten way to damn hard, and pretty much everything valuable I had was on my champs when they died.
Just couldn't get myself to start over from scratch. And yeah I guess part of it is I didn't have the time to invest. Even with (my) good gear it would take me that 6-8 hours to beat normal (if I was rushing), probably more for cruel, don't think I ever did beat the act 4 boss in merciless. I can't think of one time I beat all of normal in a single go (always hung up in act 2 for that boss).

And I've just never had the ability to be a great game player anyway, and have below average reaction time. I have issues with my hands (and they're quite large) that make it very hard to handle more than ~4 buttons at a time. Usually wasd, and the space bar with my thumb but even that is cramped and becomes uncomfortable. If I want to press other buttons like the number keys I have to look down and move my hand to get them, though I have gotten use to moving up just one row to hit them with my middle finger (twisting my wrist to move side to side [can you say carpal tunnel?]). For the mouse, well they're all way to dang small...can barely fit two fingers and the thumb on there. Can't use horizontal forward/back buttons (thumb joint usually rested on the forward, couldn't reach back without letting go of mouse), so I found a MS mouse that has them laid out vertical (so again, 4 buttons).

Usually for games like this it's enough. Enjoyed the heck out of Diablo2, and even this game for a long time. But it just kept getting harder and harder and it sure felt like I couldn't keep up, both physically and gear wise. Act 4 was the tipping point, it just sh*t on my champs when I was trying my absolute best. And there were totally unfair deaths that were extremely frustrating, regular spiders that hit for like a million chaos damage (pretty sure it was viper strike)...even 20k+ life and 75% resist only gave a second to see my life drop from full to zero, desperately spamming all my pots.

Actually, do they have any pots for chaos now? They had them to stop bleeding and such, but there was nothing at all to stop chaos over time.

There is an anti-chaos pot. I think it just adds to your resists and doesn't immediately stop degen though... I also fully understand your frustration with Act 4 (even if you didn't quite have 20k life lol). Act 4 is awful sometimes... The game is EXTREMELY challenging hardcore wise and is designed for people who have tons of time to just re-level a character. You will die in PoE, it's only a matter of time before either a monster affix combo gets you, lag gets you, a bug gets you, or something you'll never understand ends your run.

I was bored one time on standard and had a respec for my level 92 character. I decided to make him as tanky as I could with perma fortify, 6k+ health, enfeeble aura, and a couple of other things. Ran a rare thicket map, killed the boss and was just flying around. Then I leap slammed into a pack of white monkeys and died instantly. I'll never know what killed me...

So if you must play hardcore be prepared to take things very slow and to restart. Or just play standard and enjoy the game.
 

smackababy

Lifer
Oct 30, 2008
27,024
79
86
League MTX looks really weak. Going to skip the league and possibly (depending on patch notes), stop playing for awhile.
 
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