Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
This isn't possible. The legislature is patriotic and would never vote against a Patriot Act. I have a feeling, unsubstantiated of course and just a hunch or gut feeling, that it is 1984 and something going by the name of Patriot Act is there to benefit tyranny and treason with an eye to the creation of a fascist state.
El Butt Wad even claims he has the power to go around the Constitution to protect our freedoms by illegally spying on our fellow citizens. But I remember a post or two over the years stating that Bush is a huge disaster. The insane are always true believers and the most certain. Like in Iraq, we needed to kill people so they could be free.
I believe that freedom always comes at a cost. Are you denying several hundred years of recent history?
I am saying that Bush is attacking our freedoms in the name of preserving them. I am saying that he does this because he has no faith that freedom is worth preserving against the fears of people so fearful of losing their freedoms that they would curtail them because of the dangers they bring. The cost of freedom is that the free will abuse it and the temptation, therefore, for those who have a privileged position in a free society and have, as it were, already achieved a significant pile of goodies and excellent attorneys is to curtail the really superfluous and basically unimportant freedoms of those who might just be suspicious and some potential threat to that pile up privilege. What do I care if they're listening in on Abdul's conversation so long as I think they aren't listening in to mine. And the camel will have his nose under the tent. I am saying, in short, that Bush is upside down. It is he who is the enemy of freedom. He doesn't trust freedom but he trusts his madness instead. He believes, up side down, that to preserve freedom you have to end it. He is fool who knows nothing of what the founding fathers knew so well and he is profoundly anti-American. The terrorists greatest ally is Bush and his psychotic Neocon merry band of men.
All I know is that I love being outside, but when it rains, I go indoors. We are in stormy weather just now and as much as we love our freedoms, there are enamies that would use them to kill our fellow Americans. Time to spend a little time indoors!
An appropriate analogy, and very illustrative of the differences between people like you and people like me. When it rains, you hide indoors. I just grab an umbrella and go about my business.
Ok, consider the Patriot Act an umbrella then. You hide under an umbrella. The "Doesn't have enough sense to get in out of the rain" analogy comes immediately to mind. You are right, that does illustrate the difference between people like you and people like me. Thank you for that! Been making that very point for months right here on this forum.
hah both of you guys are drowning in the sea of false analogies.
The only true idea here is if you're willing to give up liberties that thousands if not millions of people have sacrificed their lives for only to feel safer from some religious zealots, you really don't deserve either of those. You cannot call yourself a patriot if you put your selfish interests before the fundamental principles of this country. It's as simple as that.
As your analogy supposed to be ironic?
But still, you're right. I'm amazed by the number of people who have been repeating "what use is liberty if you are dead?" lately.