Patriot or Corsair?

Gerbil333

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I'm going to build a socket 939 system as soon as the Antec Sonata II arrives (should be soon). I'm probably going to use an Asus A8N-E. I need 2 GBs of RAM. I?m trying to choose between these two sets:

Patriot 2x1024 MB PC3200 (PDC2G3200LLK)
Timings: 2-3-2-5

Corsair 2x1024 MB TWINX2048-3200C2PT
Timings: 2-3-3-6 for Intel, but 2.5-3-3-6 for AMD

At first I thought I'd go for the Patriot memory since it's cheaper and has better timings. However, I've used lots of Corsair memory and have had great success. I've never used Patriot memory. Is it of the level of quality as Corsair? Can I be sure that the Patriot will run at the timings they listed when Corsair has different slower timings for AMD systems?

Also, the Corsair TWINX2048-3200C2 is on Asus's list of approved memory for the A8N. None of Patriot's modules are on the list. Asus probably didn't test any, but I don't want any trouble, and it's good to know that the Corsair should cooperate.
 

Gerbil333

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Ok, let's leave one word answers for the poll On paper, the Patriot does indeed like the best option. However, all I want is to install the RAM, boot the computer, and begin computing.

I don't want to install the RAM, troubleshoot because it won't boot, then tweak RAM timings and voltages, run 12+ hours of memtest86, tweak again, and then compute. I've never had to do that with any of the 5 sets of Corsair I've used.

So, will the Patriot give me any trouble? As you all have probably noticed, I trust Corsair. Right now, that's what I want to buy. This poll is to give someone a chance to persaude me otherwise. Maybe Patriot will be my new favorite brand of RAM.
 

imported_rod

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I would pick Corsair, because Ive used Corsair before, but the Patriot is usually considered pretty good by anyone who's used it.

Why do you need 2GB? Even the newest games will run on 256MB, with 512MB the preffered option. I've seen benchmarks that show the difference between 512MB and 1024MB, and it's never more than 5%. Im sure that the difference between 1024MB and 2048MB would be even smaller... If you really want, get it, but your probably paying for something that will have no effect on performance.

RoD
 

Gerbil333

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Originally posted by: rod
I would pick Corsair, because Ive used Corsair before, but the Patriot is usually considered pretty good by anyone who's used it.

Why do you need 2GB? Even the newest games will run on 256MB, with 512MB the preffered option. I've seen benchmarks that show the difference between 512MB and 1024MB, and it's never more than 5%. Im sure that the difference between 1024MB and 2048MB would be even smaller... If you really want, get it, but your probably paying for something that will have no effect on performance.

RoD

Are you kidding!? Games run like absolute crap with 256mb. Windows XP consumes over 130MBs alone on a clean installation with no apps running, and that leaves squat for any modern game. Doom 3 requires at least 384 MBs, for instance; it runs decently with 1 GB, but could benefit from more RAM. 512mb is pushing it for games. 1gb is the minimum for most gamers, and UT2k4 and HL2 eat up every last bit of my memory. Proof:

UT2k4 consuming all but 50mbs of my 1gb of RAM after only a single map. After several hours of gaming, the game consumes more and more RAM as different objects, maps, and textures are loaded.

This is even worse: HL2 with nothing in the background. Observe the blue line (the left part of the graph is after I exited the game). The free physical RAM was depleted in several instances. HL2 stutters and the hd light comes on when it does. That's a sign that it's begging for RAM, as the graph supports. Furthermore, it takes about 10 seconds to exit the game. The desktop slowly returns and redraws itself, and then it takes a long time to reopen my applications as my 74gb Raptor thrashes away to empty the page file and fill the RAM back up with the data it previously contained.

That's exactly what every game has done when I've needed more RAM. In 1998 I had 64 MBs of RAM and played Tribes. It exited slowly. I upgraded to 128 MBs. Instant exits. In 2000 I upgraded to an Athlon 1 GHz system, still with 128 MBs of RAM and I began playing Tribes 2. It exited slowly. I upgraded to 256 MBs and it then exited instantly. More recently, for example, I bought UT2k4 last summer and had 512 MBs of RAM at the time. Not only did it exit slowly, but the system would pause for 2-5 seconds with the hd light on after several hours of onslaught (and then resume). It too exited slowly. I bought 1 GB: Now it exits instantly and doesn't pause. However, that's with moderate settings. As you can see in the image above, slightly higher settings consume even 1 GB of RAM! Also, that image was taken with only about 20 players in the server. I usually play with 32 players, and that uses more memory.

Each time I've made a major upgrade people advise, "You don't need X RAM. Stick with the amount you have now." And each time I've followed their advice, and then end up upgrading my brand new computer only 6 to 9 months later after the rest of the forumunites realize that it's time to move to the new standard. I'm not going to do that this time. RAM prices are cheap, and I don't want to upgrade for the next 3 years.

I can see that I need more RAM already, and even though only a few applications can utilize it now, I can assure you that in than 6 to 12 months 2 GBs will be the standard and the new games will demand it to run smoothly, just like the huge difference between 512mb and 1gb now.

To support that claim, look up the minimum specs on the soon-to-be-available HL2: Lost Coast update. It requires 1 GB of RAM. Requires = bare minimum = runs like junk.

Cliffs: I'm getting 2 GBs of RAM.
 

Gerbil333

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I need more convincing. With only 10 minutes of Googling, I found no bad comments about the Corsair TWINX2048-3200C2PT, but I found 2 or 3 negative comments about the Patriot PDC2G3200LLK. Hmmmm...
 

Tostada

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Originally posted by: Gerbil333
I can assure you that in than 6 to 12 months 2 GBs will be the standard and the new games will demand it to run smoothly, just like the huge difference between 512mb and 1gb now.

Take a step back and think about how ridiculous that sounds.

There is not a huge difference between 512MB and 1GB now.

I got 512MB four years ago and just last month upgraded to 1GB. 1GB is absolutely not standard and it is absolutely not something that games require to run smoothly. It simply helps load times on some more recent things.

If you honestly think that 2GB will be standard in 6 to 12 months, you need your head examined.

 

Tostada

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Anyway, as far as bang for the buck, I think Corsair Value Select is the best cheap memory and Patriot is the best fast memory. You really don't want the Corsair C2PT you listed. It's essentially already overclocked -- it defaults to 2.75V and still has worse timings than the Patriot 2.5V stuff.

Cheap stuff: Corsair CL3 for $90:
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80098-34

Fast stuff: Patriot 2-3-2-5 2.5V for $139.33:
http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820220045
 

BillyBatson

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I have run Patriot the model that does pc3200 at 2-2-2-5 to pc4200 at 2-4-4-8 or whatever. It is great ram! YES the patriot will run at the timings advertised. Quality is great. Faster timing than the corsair AND cheaper! A lifetime warranty aswell. Patriot is known to overclock well aswell if you ever look into that. ALSO at pc3200 most memory perform the same! Look at reviews done on anandtech and others, if you don't plan to OC your memory or your cpu even basic pc3200 ram perform the same espcially if they are running at the same timings.

PATRIOT :thumbsup:

Originally posted by: Zebo
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or get the corsair value like he said... cuz like i said, at pc3200 with no OC, they are all basically the same
 

t3h l337 n3wb

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You don't need 2GB RAM yet. If you absolutely MUST get more than 1GB, get 3x512 and add in another stick later when it's necessary. 4x512 will save you a lot of money compared to 2x1024.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Tostada
1GB is absolutely not standard and it is absolutely not something that games require to run smoothly. It simply helps load times on some more recent things.

You must be playing different games to me, because when i had 512mb (temporarily), HL2, CSS, Farcry, UT2k4, were all choppy (especially FC and HL2.) Just wanted to clear that up =).
 

Tostada

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Originally posted by: Azzy64
Originally posted by: Tostada
1GB is absolutely not standard and it is absolutely not something that games require to run smoothly. It simply helps load times on some more recent things.

You must be playing different games to me, because when i had 512mb (temporarily), HL2, CSS, Farcry, UT2k4, were all choppy (especially FC and HL2.) Just wanted to clear that up =).

1GB improves load times in a lot of things, but I haven't seen anything I'd call choppy (although I'm talking about Doom 3, FarCry, UT2K4 here -- never tried those other ones with 512MB). I can't help but think the people swearing you need 1024MB have some sort of spyware infestation, or at least something taking up a decent chunk of their memory.

If you're actually claiming in-game performance of FarCry or UT2K4 is choppy with 512MB, you should post the memory usage of your processes.

 

Battlewaffle

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Neither, get OCZ VX value ram. Or VX gold DDR500 if you have the money.
The VX gold DDR500 2-2-2-8 @ 3.5v is the fastest memory out right now.
But if you don't want the fastest, and just want reliable still, with a good name, then Corsair
 

Tostada

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Originally posted by: Battlewaffle
The VX gold DDR500 2-2-2-8 @ 3.5v is the fastest memory out right now.

3.5V?!?!?!

How many motherboards does that even work with? Does it come with an active heatsink on each stick?
 

RussianSensation

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Originally posted by: Gerbil333

UT2k4 consuming all but 50mbs of my 1gb of RAM after only a single map.

I was under the impression that you compare Physical Memoty (Total) to Peak (under Commit Charge). In which case you've only used up 700mb or so. With that in mind, I can tell you that after I play HL2, Peak is 980mb, Far Cry about 930, even with WC3 its like in 700s. I run other programs in the background like Kazaa and SETI and BitComet and MSN Messenger but still. I'd say 1 gig is a perfect sweet spot for now. By the time 2 gigs is needed, both your cpu and graphics card will be about 2-3 generations behind. Given that AMD is moving to DDR2 and Intel is already there, spending more money for DDR1 ram now isnt that wise in my opinion. Instead put money towards Audigy 2 soundcard, better cooling, faster cpu, faster graphics card, or aside towards a new generation graphics card or a faster larger HDD.
 

Auric

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Ja, with little else running, Forgotten Hope pushes the peak to 900. RAM is relatively cheap, why degrade performance by not having 'nuff? Of course, each user must evaluate what is required with Task Manager according to their own usage but modern games do require 1GB to avoid paging.
 
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