Patriot or Corsair?

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gwarbot

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Im playing half life 2 max settings on 512mb ram

Just tweak the hell out of windows


www.tweakhound.com

check it out

Half the stuff windows runs is a security risk anyways

services.msc and disable the shlt you dont need

just a suggestion though.

btw the pretty blue bar at the buttom of your screen, well it's a resource hog

I would suggest learning and installing a whold new shell
 

gwarbot

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Originally posted by: rod
I would pick Corsair, because Ive used Corsair before, but the Patriot is usually considered pretty good by anyone who's used it.

Why do you need 2GB? Even the newest games will run on 256MB, with 512MB the preffered option. I've seen benchmarks that show the difference between 512MB and 1024MB, and it's never more than 5%. Im sure that the difference between 1024MB and 2048MB would be even smaller... If you really want, get it, but your probably paying for something that will have no effect on performance.

RoD

good word
 

Gerbil333

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Originally posted by: gwarbot
Im playing half life 2 max settings on 512mb ram

Just tweak the hell out of windows


www.tweakhound.com

check it out

Half the stuff windows runs is a security risk anyways

services.msc and disable the shlt you dont need

just a suggestion though.

btw the pretty blue bar at the buttom of your screen, well it's a resource hog

I would suggest learning and installing a whold new shell

My system is running optimally. I don't allow anything to run in the background (I do now that I have 2 GBs though), and I keep absolutely everything disabled in the startup items in msconfig.

My computers boot up clean, and I've read those tweak guides. Have you used 1GB? There's a large difference between 0.5GB and 1GB. Now that I've used 2GB, I can gladly say there's a very noticeable difference in HL2 between 1GB and 2GB. I can instantly alt-tab out of the game, it exits instantly, and I experienced less stuttering...there's still some there though, so it's obviously not caused by a lack of RAM.

At least get 1GB, man. It's dirt cheap and extremely beneficial for gaming. Sell your old RAM and you'll only be out ~$50.
 

Fisher999

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Originally posted by: Gerbil333
...My system is running optimally. I don't allow anything to run in the background (I do now that I have 2 GBs though), and I keep absolutely everything disabled in the startup items in msconfig.

My computers boot up clean, and I've read those tweak guides. Have you used 1GB? There's a large difference between 0.5GB and 1GB. Now that I've used 2GB, I can gladly say there's a very noticeable difference in HL2 between 1GB and 2GB. I can instantly alt-tab out of the game, it exits instantly, and I experienced less stuttering...there's still some there though, so it's obviously not caused by a lack of RAM.

At least get 1GB, man. It's dirt cheap and extremely beneficial for gaming. Sell your old RAM and you'll only be out ~$50.

You tell him Gerb..... :thumbsup:

 

hemiram

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Originally posted by: Fisher999
Originally posted by: hemiram
... I can't see paying any more for another brand..

I'm too tired to provide links but Corsair isn't all but a couple of dollars more expensive for EQUIVALENT performance level DIMMS.

I just sold my UNOPENED Patriot PDC1G3200LLK Dual Channel 1 GB ( 512 X 2 ) PC3200 and was happy to place the order for CORSAIR 1 GB CMX1024-3200 C2PT for just a few dollars more than an equivalent stick of Patriot.



Well, whatever you want to do, but I don't see why you want to pay more for equivilent performance. You're paying for a name. After all, the chips on the modules are almost for sure the same exact thing on both. If it works, it works...

 

Fisher999

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Originally posted by: hemiram
...You're paying for a name. After all, the chips on the modules are almost for sure the same exact thing on both. If it works, it works...

No, I paid for reliabilty and known compatiblilty with my motherboard as the RAM has been tested by them and I paid for Corsairs years of leadership in RAM R&D, development and technical support.

Read Anand's articles from years back (if they are still available) and see what brand of RAM he used over and over and over and over in his testbeds. Over 50% of the time or more it was CORSAIR !!!

 

The Pentium Guy

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It's nearly 50-50

Corsair 2x1024 MB TWINX2048-3200C2PT
33 votes 50.77 (%)
Patriot 2x1024 MB PC3200
32 votes 49.23 (%)
 

r0bVious

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I'm on the fence, now.

I'm really thinking http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820220045 , though. It's not like Patriot is generic pieces of crap, but I also have used a couple corsair sticks for at least 3+ years now, unfaultering.

I'm pretty sure I'll be going with the Patriot... I'm ordering tonight. Just gotta read up a little more...

The other contender is the other one you guys were talking about:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145560

Problem is, I'm looking at spending an extra $60 (2x1gb here). I'm selling my old 2x256mb Corsair PC3200 XMS to my stepfather for $40, so I was hoping to actually take a chunk out of my net spendings...
 

Fisher999

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Originally posted by: r0bVious
Went with the Patriot.

I don't think you could hardly go wrong with either of your two candidates. ENJOY the Patrriot: I'm sure it will do well by you.
 

Valkerie

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whatever is lower in price, just get it, it's not like you wanna show off with your RAM...

"hey look! my case.. I even have a clear side window on my case! Well, the memory sticks aren't slanted much, just vertical to our view.. but you can see the heatsinks at least right? do you know which brand it is? look! I've got a stick of Corsair, and the other is Patriot!! Look! Can you see it? I've got one of eAcH~ I'm special, and I want to show off my memory sticks, look! I get Corsair, 'cuz my first computer had it, then I get Patriot because it has better timings, and people say it's more relible. Hello? Can I still show off with it? Look, look. look. I've got RAM, and it matters so much to me. they're going to offer good performance? wow, I can overclock it, both of them. but wait, I wanna show off with my sticks because I got a side window. Hello? anyone there?"

someone rate my performance...

technically, both sticks will prove effective, it's just preference of timing and brand, at this point
 

djnsmith7

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Wow, this thread became interesting in a hurry.

To answer your question, I buy Corsair Value RAM because it's inexpensive & it just works every time. I too prefer the 1 GB module setup vs. 2x512. It leaves more room for future upgrades.
 

FlasHBurN

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Originally posted by: Euclid
No. I still don't have my ram back yet. I am waiting patiently, 30 days and counting (ignoring shipping times and only counting the days they have had my ram in their hands). I'm wondering if they are having business trouble or if they are discontinuing the product or something. I can't imagine what would cause such a delay.

So, did you get your ram back, yet?
 

CyBeRiANx

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This was a very interesting thread. I went through the samething for the last week. I had my mind setup on the cosair initially, but after reading some posts from others and oc'n my friends machine, I was highly impressed with Patriots memory (specifically pdc2g3200llk).

I bought the RAM today on my A64 system at 2-2-2-5 1t. You truly can't beat the price vs performance. Now, with that said....

If all your doing is poping the ram in and wanting to go, then there is no reason to buy this RAM (patriot or cosair..well any brand) with the tight timings. Value RAM will do you just fine (and it seems that is what you went with).

side note? As of bf2, i would say 2G of RAM will be the standard soon.
 

Pr0d1gy

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Originally posted by: Kensai
Do get 2GB of ram. I can't stand only having 1GB in a system.
At this point, I suggest you go for the Patriot.

Agreed, you will have to set the latency timings in BIOS but it is a small price to pay.

Pr0d1gy-proud Patriot XBL owner.
 

Euclid

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Yeah, I got my RAM back and immediately sold it in the For Sale forum.
I got tired of waiting and bought some replacement OCZ
 

Fisher999

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Originally posted by: Euclid
Yeah, I got my RAM back and immediately sold it in the For Sale forum.
I got tired of waiting and bought some replacement OCZ

Based on your problems, and because I wanted RAM on Asus's RQVL (RAM Qualified Vendor's List), I sold my Patriot PDC1G3200LLK and purchased a 1GB Corsair CMX1024-3200C2PT DIMM for my Asus A8N-SLI.

Interesting though, that the poll shows the two bact at "neck and neck" with the Corsair now only leading by one vote.



 

Squyd

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I am interested too in the patriot 2GB listed on Monarch.

Unfortunately, I'm in a situation that I'm stuck with a pair of 256MB (total 512MB) good old BH-5 sticks. I have a headache to find another pair to work with them. Ideally, another GB (pair) will get me 1.5G total in dual channel, but A64 makes sure I will take a 2T hit. (interestingly, my original Bh-5 are one-sided modules)

Curiously after so much discussion on this thread, no one has yet stepped forth and give real world experience of the Patriot 2GB. Euclid I wish you had tested the replacement first.
 

Fisher999

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There is very little that's different between the RAM in your two links except the RAM in the first link is one SINGLE 1 GB DIMM (model PEP1G3200LL) from Patriot's Extreme Performance series ( more info here at Patriot's website ) and the RAM in your second link is a dual-channel kit model PDC1G3200LLK comprised of two 512MB DIMMs for a total of 1GB. This dual channel kit is from Patriot's dual channel series. More info on this dual-channel kit can be found over here at Patriot's Website .

Both of your links point to Patriot-brand PC3200 RAM (also known as DDR400 ) . The "3200" indicates that the memory has a maximum theoretical bandwith of 3.2 GB/second. The DDR in DDR400 stands for Double Data Rate and the "400" for the memory's effective frequency of 400MHz.

You will notice that the memory timings (tCAS, tRCD, tRP, and tRAS) are the same for both of those models of RAM at 2-3-2-5.
However, if you only use ONE of the 1GB stick of RAM on a motherboard that supports "dual channel" mode you will lose about 3-5% performance over using the PCD1G3200LLK DUAL CHANNEL kit. You will note that the price for the 1G DIMM and the dual channel kit (512MB X 2) is almost the same.

If 1 GB is the amount of memory you think you will need then under most circumstances you should opt for the dual channel kit if your motherboard supports dual channel mode; otherwise the single 1GB module leaves you the most room for expansion in the future.

Another choice for Patriot dual channel is this Patriot PCD1G3200+XBLK dual channel memory kit. You will notice it is a little more expensive than the PCD1G3200LLK dual channel kit but it's tRCD rating is 2 instead of 3 which can enhance perfomance up to 4 percent, hence its more expensive price.


BTW, here are explanations of memory timings taken from Patriot's website:

tCL - CAS Latency (also labeled as CAS Latency Time, CAS Timing Delay) The number of clock cycles that pass from the column being addressed to the data arriving in the output register. The memory manufacturer lists the best possible setting as the CL rating.

tRCD - RAS to CAS Delay (also labeled as Active to CMD) Number of clock cycles that pass between the row address being determined and the column address being sent out. Setting this value to two clock cycles can enhance performance by up to four percent.

tRP - RAS Precharge Time (also labeled as RAS Precharge, Precharge to active) Number of clock cycles needed to precharge the circuits so that the row address can be determined.

tRAS - Row Active Time (also labeled as Active to Precharge Delay, Row Active Delay, Row Precharge Delay) Delay that results when two different rows in a memory chip are addressed one after another.

CMD - Command Rate (also labeled as CMD Rate) Number of clock cycles needed to address the memory module and the memory chip with the desired data zone. If your memory banks are full to capacity, you will have to raise this rate to two, resulting in a considerable drop in performance.

Memory timings are usually in the following order:

tCL - tRCD - tRP - tRAS - CMD

For example, our PDC1G3200LLK has a timing of 2-3-2-5-t1. This translates to the following:
tCL = 2 tRCD = 3 tRP = 2 tRAS = 5 CMD = 1


 
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