Patriots @ Ravens

[Deeko]

But the thing is... so are you... you're the most obnoxious football fan on this site. How many shouting matches have you gotten in with other people on this site? I mean arguments that last for pages and pages and pages long.

At least i know i'm annoying (and loving every minute of it ) and i sure as hell wouldn't call other people out on it.

Whatever Phokus, the vast majority of my arguments are contained in one thread. I talk football in other threads, but most of those threads are perfectly civil. You, meanwhile, go in and provoke everyone in every football thread. I'm not going to argue over who is more annoying, I don't really care what you think to be honest. I'm still allowed to point out that Patriots fans are obnoxious.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Oh please, every team's fans are obnoxious, particularly when their team is good. Bitterness against Patriots fans is just a product of time of dominance. No team has been this good for this long and nobody outside of Boston likes it.

If the Bengals, Colts, Dolphins, whoever had won as much as the Pats have, their fans would be seen as equally obnoxious.

No, Boston sports fans are especially obnoxious. Just as Eagles and Raiders fans are known to be cruel and outright dangerous to opposing fans (the day I wear a Dallas T.O. jersey to The Linc is literally the day I die...or at least go home covered in beer and piss), Boston fans are known for being loud, obnoxious, and annoying.

The statement "no team has been this good for this long" is blatently false though. Perhaps you've forgotten the dynasties of the 49ers, Steelers, and Packers.

What I meant was no team has been this good for this long in the free agency era.

edit: blatantly false? The Pats won 3 SBs in 4 years, only the Cowboys have managed that. So we're looking at one of the greatest stretches in football history.

Well, if you want to compare the Superbowl years, the Cowboys went to the NFC Championship game in their "off year", whereas the Patriots didn't make the playoffs. I was commenting on the length part - the patriots "dynasty" has gone from 2001-2007 so far, whereas the Packers won 5 championships in the 60's, the Steelers won 4 in 6 or 7 years, the 49ers 5 in 13 years.

You're correct though, no one has done this well in the free agency era.

Look at that!! Agreement! Huzzah!

Free agency makes it tough to compare teams today to teams 20 years ago. I think it's harder to win when you can't be sure that certain guys will be coming back.

If the Pats manage to win out this year, where do you think that ranks them in the pantheon of football greats?

 

[Deeko]

Yes, its impressive that they manage the cap the way they do, and that they have superstars that take less money than they're worth (Brady). The Eagles are similar, a step behind, but they do a very good job. The Colts aren't as good with the cap...and their players tend to leave...but Polian is masterful with the draft. I would say those three teams have done the best job in the front office during the free agency era.

If the Pats win this year, that's what...4 Superbowls in 7 years? Definitely puts them in the top 5 of all-time dynasties, ahead of the 90's Cowboys. Its tough to compare from decade to decade though, the league changes so much. They're right up there with them, though.

 

[Reckoner]

The dynasty is back in full swing gents!

 

[IAteYourMother]

I hope the pats go 16-0 only to lose in the playoffs

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
I hope the pats go 18-0 only to lose in the super bowl to the cowboys

Fixed

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
I hope the pats go 18-0 only to lose in the super bowl to the Seachickens

Fixed

:thumbsup:

 

[imported_Lothar]

Good teams win close games.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: Lothar
Good teams win close games.

cough Seahawks the last two weeks cough

 

[EagleKeeper]

And the chickens can get past Dallas?

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: digiram

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: JRich

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Oh please, every team's fans are obnoxious, particularly when their team is good. Bitterness against Patriots fans is just a product of time of dominance. No team has been this good for this long and nobody outside of Boston likes it.

If the Bengals, Colts, Dolphins, whoever had won as much as the Pats have, their fans would be seen as equally obnoxious.

No, Boston sports fans are especially obnoxious. Just as Eagles and Raiders fans are known to be cruel and outright dangerous to opposing fans (the day I wear a Dallas T.O. jersey to The Linc is literally the day I die...or at least go home covered in beer and piss), Boston fans are known for being loud, obnoxious, and annoying.

The statement "no team has been this good for this long" is blatently false though. Perhaps you've forgotten the dynasties of the 49ers, Steelers, and Packers.

I concur about the fans bit, some teams are worse (much worse in some cases) than others.
Every Raiders game I see here in Seattle has atleast one Raiders fan tossed out. However, teams like the Packers,Vikings,Rams,49ers,etc have respectable fans when they are here in Seattle. Shitsburgh have the second worse fans IMO, and I am talking before they beat us* in the Super Bowl.

Still crying about the Super Bowl I see. Why don't you let it go? The only thing I hate as much as obnoxious fans is the whiny ones. I swear, every football thread I see you have something negative to say about Pittsburgh.

I have hated the shitsburgh fans since I went to school in Cincinnati before the super bowl. They are trash for the most part. The only good thing out of shitsburgh these past 10 years was your old coach. Much respect for that guy, but no respect for most of their "fans".

I'm no Seahawks fan, but they definitely were robbed in that Superbowl againsts the Steelers.

Bad calls went against both teams in that SB, the better team still won.

Browns of the 50's are the greatest dynasty ever, bar none. In the free agency era the Pats have stood out, but I don't think even the best of their teams (this year) would hold up against any of the modern era dynasties.

It takes an offensive line time to gel, that applies to all positions on both sides of the ball. The great teams of the past had the luxury of keeping their pro bowl and HOF players together their entire careers. You will never see teams that have that chance to gel and stay together for years, which is sad. The parity is great, I enjoy that every team has the chance to rapidly improve and be competitive, but it still came at a cost of lowered quality play IMHO.



Buck, I politely asked you not to send me any more harassing PMs, yet you persist. I have not taken the route you did, crying to a mod, but I would not push your luck.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: SSSnail
You are who I thought you were...

That's the problem, what you think of others and reality don't concur. A normal person would accept their assumptive mistake and move on, instead, you cling to yours. Meds won't help btw, you will need analysis to correct your personality disorder. I wish you the best of luck in finding that help, the sooner the better.

Still trolling Alistar7? Maybe you should just take your trash talking to PM? Everywhere I turn you are crapping in threads.




That being said, what a sad game. Much respect for the Ravens defense (penalties aside), I don't look forward to them coming to Seattle.
However, the bit where he threw the flag in the stands was awesome.

Not hardly, SSSnail started the incident, again. He is uniformed and likes to make assumptions. I have given him direct links and quotes but every week he starts with the same incorrect BS. You are the troll btw, or do you not recall your thread crapping in the Browns thread? I also see I am not the only one who has noticed your penchant to crap in any steelers thread every chance you get.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me..._key=y&keyword1=browns


Sorry for making you cringe with the use of that word Squisher :beer:

 

[OdiN]

Patriots are freaking cheaters! EVERYTHING SUCKS!


You should lock yourselves in a closet for a while so we don't have to see your posts.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
And the chickens can get past Dallas?

A guy can have big hopes cant he?
We got lucky last year, maybe it might happen again.

Buck, I politely asked you not to send me any more harassing PMs, yet you persist. I have not taken the route you did, crying to a mod, but I would not push your luck.

Learn how to block PM's, I did. Also, please stop trolling people, I see you doing it to alot of people and its getting tiresome.

 

[brikis98]

Originally posted by: bigdog1218

You have to be an absolute mental midget to talk shit after beating a 4-7 team, especially knowing you won the game because of a defensive timeout and a phantom holding call.

was reading through this thread and had to shake my head at this post. some people just shouldn't bother posting.

having said that, the patriots have looked horrendous in the last 2 games. miraculously, they pulled off wins because:

1. both teams (Eagles & Ravens) gave up on the strategies that were allowing them to win. that is, the eagles stopped doing inside passes and the ravens stopped pressuring brady.
2. both of the opposing teams are pretty crappy, so they didn't take advantage of the lackluster new england performance as much as they should have
3. the pats, when it counted, came up clutch
4. dumb luck

the steelers and (to a slightly lesser extent) the giants are teams of a totally different caliber than the eagles/ravens. if the pats come out playing the same way in the next few weeks, they will get demolished. however, expect belichick to spend every minute of the next few weeks screaming his head off - the pats may have won, but he is NOT happy.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: OdiN
Patriots are freaking cheaters! EVERYTHING SUCKS!


You should lock yourselves in a closet for a while so we don't have to see your posts.

Pfft, everyone tapes and looks for every advantage possible, IMHO short of snagging an opposing teams' playbook none of it helps nearly as much as watching game film. JJ stopped taping while in Dallas because he found it offered so little assistance it was not even worthwhile. Execution beats knowledge. When the Ravens were running effectively last night NE knew it was coming, but could not stop it from happening.

Starting to see some of what I mentioned earlier in the season about their defensive shortcomings. I questioned the speed of the linebacking corps, and their ability to maintain over the long season due to their age. NE had to play a lot of 4-3 last night due to the problems the are having at LB. They did sign Chad Brown recently, and I would expect him to be suited up next week and contribute down the stretch.

Next week should be a good game, next to the Colts this should be the most balanced team NE has faced when considering both sides of the ball. More physical, better run game, and greater overall defensive speed in the back 8. Pitt will of course use a 3-4 alignment, which the Beagles and Ravens were able to utilize in generating pressure and disrupting the passing game. At times you will see them use a 2-4-5. At the beginning of the season there was talk of a "new wrinkle" in their zone blitz scheme, it has not been used yet AFAIK. If they have been saving anything, it should come out in this game.

NE should be able to exploit Pitts injuries in the secondary, special teams coverage, and shaky pass protection. They did a good job protecting Ben against Cinci this week, but I will not believe they have fixed this two year problem in one game.

This will be the only game I will actively root against NE this season, and only because they are playing my beloved Steelers. If NE wins I would like to see NE run the table for the "perfect" season. I think it would be great for the NFL for any team to go undefeated, and unlike most here (it seems) I have no problems with the Pats being that team.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/intel?gameId=271209017

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: SSSnail
You are who I thought you were...

That's the problem, what you think of others and reality don't concur. A normal person would accept their assumptive mistake and move on, instead, you cling to yours. Meds won't help btw, you will need analysis to correct your personality disorder. I wish you the best of luck in finding that help, the sooner the better.

Still trolling Alistar7? Maybe you should just take your trash talking to PM? Everywhere I turn you are crapping in threads.

I cannot help that every week SSSnail accuses me of being a NE basher, even though I continue to prove him wrong with links and direct quotes. Some people are too self absorbed to see the truth, hint hint.

You see me trolling many people lol, I've only had issues recently with 3 out of the 160,000 AT members. Besides SSSNail that leaves you and thepedo, all of yuz guyz started with me and like to follow me from thread to thread and continue your e-peen drama. Would you like the links to the original threads where you 3 got your panties in a bunch, or just the ones that show you cannot let it go?

I do not troll Buck, that Browns thread I linked shows I was discussing the OP in a polite, civilized manner. I do not run around crapping on another team every chance I get like yourself, as others have noticed. Unlike yourself I do not talk shit to other teams fans, taunt them, or call them trash. I also do not harass members through PM, and run crying to the mods.

Your actions and comments are the only troll like ones I see, and you are right, it is getting tiresome. Look above on this page, you came into this thread and started your shit again with me, then immediately sent me another harassing PM. Your agenda is clear, your tactics are deplorable.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Someone needs to pull a Joe Paterno on Belichick and take out his legs during a game, I may actually be able to stomach the Gaytriots going 16-0 if Bill has to coach from the press box. Most arrogant, dishonest, disrespectful, condescending, misleading, over-secretive coach EVAR!

 

[RapidSnail]

Originally posted by: brikis98

Originally posted by: bigdog1218

You have to be an absolute mental midget to talk shit after beating a 4-7 team, especially knowing you won the game because of a defensive timeout and a phantom holding call.

was reading through this thread and had to shake my head at this post. some people just shouldn't bother posting.

having said that, the patriots have looked horrendous in the last 2 games. miraculously, they pulled off wins because:

1. both teams (Eagles & Ravens) gave up on the strategies that were allowing them to win. that is, the eagles stopped doing inside passes and the ravens stopped pressuring brady.
2. both of the opposing teams are pretty crappy, so they didn't take advantage of the lackluster new england performance as much as they should have
3. the pats, when it counted, came up clutch
4. dumb luck

the steelers and (to a slightly lesser extent) the giants are teams of a totally different caliber than the eagles/ravens. if the pats come out playing the same way in the next few weeks, they will get demolished. however, expect belichick to spend every minute of the next few weeks screaming his head off - the pats may have won, but he is NOT happy.

I will call a 14-2 record, based off of the Patriots' performance in the last two weeks.

I don't think that New England can manage the Pittsburgh team this Sunday. Last time I checked the Steelers had the #2 defense in the league, as well as a very good ground attack. Roethlisberger is a much better quarterback then both Feeley and Boller, so their attack isn't one sided. New England, on the other hand, has relied greatly on the success of their passing game, which has been supressed by the pressure strategies we have seen from the Colts, Eagles, and Ravens. Their running game is also far from ideal and the defense has dwindled lately.

24-28 Pittsburgh

I also think that the Giants will pull off an upset win in the last week. I suppose if the Patriots can secure homefield and the first round bye, their intensity will dwindle. The Giants will capitalize on this especially since they need to win to make the wild card. The only thing that I can see turning against the Giants is Eli Manning. Eli is still a bit young, so I wouldn't be surprised if Belichick decides to throw some crafty scheme at him which could throw him off. Still I think Rubin Droughns is a strong back that could pose a threat to New England's abysmal defense thereby freeing stress from Manning.

21-24 Giants


So there are my predictions, but I don't know enough about football to know how accurate they are. I also truly don't think that either the Jets of Dolphins will offer a serious threat to New England. However, given the track record of some of the better teams of recent times, I wouldn't call it an impossiblilty, but an improbability.

 

[rsd]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Someone needs to pull a Joe Paterno on Belichick and take out his legs during a game, I may actually be able to stomach the Gaytriots going 16-0 if Bill has to coach from the press box. Most arrogant, dishonest, disrespectful, condescending, misleading, over-secretive coach EVAR!

Keep the HATE coming, I LOVE it.

"Classy" comments like this shows how skewed the fan/media perception is.

I LOVE IT.:lips:

 

[rsd]

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: brikis98

Originally posted by: bigdog1218

You have to be an absolute mental midget to talk shit after beating a 4-7 team, especially knowing you won the game because of a defensive timeout and a phantom holding call.

was reading through this thread and had to shake my head at this post. some people just shouldn't bother posting.

having said that, the patriots have looked horrendous in the last 2 games. miraculously, they pulled off wins because:

1. both teams (Eagles & Ravens) gave up on the strategies that were allowing them to win. that is, the eagles stopped doing inside passes and the ravens stopped pressuring brady.
2. both of the opposing teams are pretty crappy, so they didn't take advantage of the lackluster new england performance as much as they should have
3. the pats, when it counted, came up clutch
4. dumb luck

the steelers and (to a slightly lesser extent) the giants are teams of a totally different caliber than the eagles/ravens. if the pats come out playing the same way in the next few weeks, they will get demolished. however, expect belichick to spend every minute of the next few weeks screaming his head off - the pats may have won, but he is NOT happy.

I will call a 14-2 record, based off of the Patriots' performance in the last two weeks.

I don't think that New England can manage the Pittsburgh team this Sunday. Last time I checked the Steelers had the #2 defense in the league, as well as a very good ground attack. Roethlisberger is a much better quarterback then both Feeley and Boller, so their attack isn't one sided. New England, on the other hand, has relied greatly on the success of their passing game, which has been supressed by the pressure strategies we have seen from the Colts, Eagles, and Ravens. Their running game is also far from ideal and the defense has dwindled lately.

24-28 Pittsburgh

I also think that the Giants will pull off an upset win in the last week. I suppose if the Patriots can secure homefield and the first round bye, their intensity will dwindle. The Giants will capitalize on this especially since they need to win to make the wild card. The only thing that I can see turning against the Giants is Eli Manning. Eli is still a bit young, so I wouldn't be surprised if Belichick decides to throw some crafty scheme at him which could throw him off. Still I think Rubin Droughns is a strong back that could pose a threat to New England's abysmal defense thereby freeing stress from Manning.

21-24 Giants


So there are my predictions, but I don't know enough about football to know how accurate they are. I also truly don't think that either the Jets of Dolphins will offer a serious threat to New England. However, given the track record of some of the better teams of recent times, I wouldn't call it an impossiblilty, but an improbability.

As much as I will agree the Patriots have not been dominant these last two weeks, I'm confused as to why many, many people seem to be picking the Steelers. They are a good team but no lock to win either. They are not good on the road, and lost to some really BAD teams (Jets, Cardinals, etc). I don't know what the outcome will be but I wouldn't be quick to pick Pitt based on the last two games either.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: SSSnail
You are who I thought you were...

That's the problem, what you think of others and reality don't concur. A normal person would accept their assumptive mistake and move on, instead, you cling to yours. Meds won't help btw, you will need analysis to correct your personality disorder. I wish you the best of luck in finding that help, the sooner the better.

Still trolling Alistar7? Maybe you should just take your trash talking to PM? Everywhere I turn you are crapping in threads.

I cannot help that every week SSSnail accuses me of being a NE basher, even though I continue to prove him wrong with links and direct quotes. Some people are too self absorbed to see the truth, hint hint.

I do not troll Buck, that Browns thread I linked shows I was discussing the OP in a polite, civilized manner. I do not run around crapping on another team every chance I get like yourself, as others have noticed. Unlike yourself I do not talk shit to other teams fans, taunt them, or call them trash. I also do not harass members through PM, and run crying to the mods.

Your actions and comments are the only troll like ones I see, and you are right, it is getting tiresome. Look above on this page, you came into this thread and started your shit again with me, but only after sending me yet another harassing PM.

Thats why i sent you a PM instead of posting it. You shit on me in the browns thread, I edited my post just for you and still that wasnt good enough. You have to carry this bickering on, posting that browns thread is multiple threads where it didnt belong. How many people have to tell you to cut it out Ken?

Your agenda is clear, your tactics are deplorable.

Ya well, the truth is a bitch isnt it?

 

[RapidSnail]

Originally posted by: rsd

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: brikis98

Originally posted by: bigdog1218

You have to be an absolute mental midget to talk shit after beating a 4-7 team, especially knowing you won the game because of a defensive timeout and a phantom holding call.

was reading through this thread and had to shake my head at this post. some people just shouldn't bother posting.

having said that, the patriots have looked horrendous in the last 2 games. miraculously, they pulled off wins because:

1. both teams (Eagles & Ravens) gave up on the strategies that were allowing them to win. that is, the eagles stopped doing inside passes and the ravens stopped pressuring brady.
2. both of the opposing teams are pretty crappy, so they didn't take advantage of the lackluster new england performance as much as they should have
3. the pats, when it counted, came up clutch
4. dumb luck

the steelers and (to a slightly lesser extent) the giants are teams of a totally different caliber than the eagles/ravens. if the pats come out playing the same way in the next few weeks, they will get demolished. however, expect belichick to spend every minute of the next few weeks screaming his head off - the pats may have won, but he is NOT happy.

I will call a 14-2 record, based off of the Patriots' performance in the last two weeks.

I don't think that New England can manage the Pittsburgh team this Sunday. Last time I checked the Steelers had the #2 defense in the league, as well as a very good ground attack. Roethlisberger is a much better quarterback then both Feeley and Boller, so their attack isn't one sided. New England, on the other hand, has relied greatly on the success of their passing game, which has been supressed by the pressure strategies we have seen from the Colts, Eagles, and Ravens. Their running game is also far from ideal and the defense has dwindled lately.

24-28 Pittsburgh

I also think that the Giants will pull off an upset win in the last week. I suppose if the Patriots can secure homefield and the first round bye, their intensity will dwindle. The Giants will capitalize on this especially since they need to win to make the wild card. The only thing that I can see turning against the Giants is Eli Manning. Eli is still a bit young, so I wouldn't be surprised if Belichick decides to throw some crafty scheme at him which could throw him off. Still I think Rubin Droughns is a strong back that could pose a threat to New England's abysmal defense thereby freeing stress from Manning.

21-24 Giants


So there are my predictions, but I don't know enough about football to know how accurate they are. I also truly don't think that either the Jets of Dolphins will offer a serious threat to New England. However, given the track record of some of the better teams of recent times, I wouldn't call it an impossiblilty, but an improbability.

As much as I will agree the Patriots have not been dominant these last two weeks, I'm confused as to why many, many people seem to be picking the Steelers. They are a good team but no lock to win either. They are not good on the road, and lost to some really BAD teams (Jets, Cardinals, etc). I don't know what the outcome will be but I wouldn't be quick to pick Pitt based on the last two games either.

True, you usually cannot apply "logic" to sports. But knowing that New England has been very weak against the run and certain passing patterns (inside slants) and that the three games that the nearly lost have been caused by excessive defensive pressure, I would not put it past the Steelers to come away with a win. Pittsburgh has a great defense and very good running/passing combo, so I see problems for the Patriots, unfortunately.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: SSSnail
You are who I thought you were...

That's the problem, what you think of others and reality don't concur. A normal person would accept their assumptive mistake and move on, instead, you cling to yours. Meds won't help btw, you will need analysis to correct your personality disorder. I wish you the best of luck in finding that help, the sooner the better.

Still trolling Alistar7? Maybe you should just take your trash talking to PM? Everywhere I turn you are crapping in threads.

I cannot help that every week SSSnail accuses me of being a NE basher, even though I continue to prove him wrong with links and direct quotes. Some people are too self absorbed to see the truth, hint hint.

I do not troll Buck, that Browns thread I linked shows I was discussing the OP in a polite, civilized manner. I do not run around crapping on another team every chance I get like yourself, as others have noticed. Unlike yourself I do not talk shit to other teams fans, taunt them, or call them trash. I also do not harass members through PM, and run crying to the mods.

Your actions and comments are the only troll like ones I see, and you are right, it is getting tiresome. Look above on this page, you came into this thread and started your shit again with me, but only after sending me yet another harassing PM.

Thats why i sent you a PM instead of posting it. You shit on me in the browns thread, I edited my post just for you and still that wasnt good enough. You have to carry this bickering on, posting that browns thread is multiple threads where it didnt belong. How many people have to tell you to cut it out Ken?

I did not shit on you in the Browns thread, perhaps you need to read it again. Blacktiger also caught and pointed out the minor mistake you made, but by then you were locked into blasting me. If you took it the wrong way I apologize, although your comments were far more disrespectful than anything I said.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me..._key=y&keyword1=browns

The next thing I know I am getting harassing PMs from you, and a mod asking me WTF you are babbling about. Instead of letting it go you came here and started it again, and then ran right away to immediately send me another inflammatory PM even though I previously asked you politely to stop.

 

[Alistar7]

I still think the Pats will win this game against Pitt. Hoping it is close and they can sneak out of there with a tough road win, but I have my doubts.