Patriots @ Ravens

[buck]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: SSSnail
You are who I thought you were...

That's the problem, what you think of others and reality don't concur. A normal person would accept their assumptive mistake and move on, instead, you cling to yours. Meds won't help btw, you will need analysis to correct your personality disorder. I wish you the best of luck in finding that help, the sooner the better.

Still trolling Alistar7? Maybe you should just take your trash talking to PM? Everywhere I turn you are crapping in threads.

I cannot help that every week SSSnail accuses me of being a NE basher, even though I continue to prove him wrong with links and direct quotes. Some people are too self absorbed to see the truth, hint hint.

I do not troll Buck, that Browns thread I linked shows I was discussing the OP in a polite, civilized manner. I do not run around crapping on another team every chance I get like yourself, as others have noticed. Unlike yourself I do not talk shit to other teams fans, taunt them, or call them trash. I also do not harass members through PM, and run crying to the mods.

Your actions and comments are the only troll like ones I see, and you are right, it is getting tiresome. Look above on this page, you came into this thread and started your shit again with me, but only after sending me yet another harassing PM.

Thats why i sent you a PM instead of posting it. You shit on me in the browns thread, I edited my post just for you and still that wasnt good enough. You have to carry this bickering on, posting that browns thread is multiple threads where it didnt belong. How many people have to tell you to cut it out Ken?

I did not shit on you in the Browns thread, perhaps you need to read it again. Blacktiger also caught and pointed out the minor mistake you made, but by then you were locked into blasting me. If you took it the wrong way I apologize, although your comments were far more disrespectful than anything I said.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me..._key=y&keyword1=browns

The next thing I know I am getting harassing PMs from you, and a mod asking me WTF you are babbling about. Instead of letting it go you came here and started it again, and then ran right away to immediately send me another inflammatory PM even though I previously asked you politely to stop.

Are you done?

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: SSSnail
You are who I thought you were...

That's the problem, what you think of others and reality don't concur. A normal person would accept their assumptive mistake and move on, instead, you cling to yours. Meds won't help btw, you will need analysis to correct your personality disorder. I wish you the best of luck in finding that help, the sooner the better.

Still trolling Alistar7? Maybe you should just take your trash talking to PM? Everywhere I turn you are crapping in threads.

I cannot help that every week SSSnail accuses me of being a NE basher, even though I continue to prove him wrong with links and direct quotes. Some people are too self absorbed to see the truth, hint hint.

I do not troll Buck, that Browns thread I linked shows I was discussing the OP in a polite, civilized manner. I do not run around crapping on another team every chance I get like yourself, as others have noticed. Unlike yourself I do not talk shit to other teams fans, taunt them, or call them trash. I also do not harass members through PM, and run crying to the mods.

Your actions and comments are the only troll like ones I see, and you are right, it is getting tiresome. Look above on this page, you came into this thread and started your shit again with me, but only after sending me yet another harassing PM.

Thats why i sent you a PM instead of posting it. You shit on me in the browns thread, I edited my post just for you and still that wasnt good enough. You have to carry this bickering on, posting that browns thread is multiple threads where it didnt belong. How many people have to tell you to cut it out Ken?

I did not shit on you in the Browns thread, perhaps you need to read it again. Blacktiger also caught and pointed out the minor mistake you made, but by then you were locked into blasting me. If you took it the wrong way I apologize, although your comments were far more disrespectful than anything I said.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me..._key=y&keyword1=browns

The next thing I know I am getting harassing PMs from you, and a mod asking me WTF you are babbling about. Instead of letting it go you came here and started it again, and then ran right away to immediately send me another inflammatory PM even though I previously asked you politely to stop.

Are you done?

I thought it was done, until you continued it in this thread and by sending me another harassing PM today. I should have known by your trollish comments and actions in that Browns thread you would not let it go, now I do.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: SSSnail
You are who I thought you were...

That's the problem, what you think of others and reality don't concur. A normal person would accept their assumptive mistake and move on, instead, you cling to yours. Meds won't help btw, you will need analysis to correct your personality disorder. I wish you the best of luck in finding that help, the sooner the better.

Still trolling Alistar7? Maybe you should just take your trash talking to PM? Everywhere I turn you are crapping in threads.

I cannot help that every week SSSnail accuses me of being a NE basher, even though I continue to prove him wrong with links and direct quotes. Some people are too self absorbed to see the truth, hint hint.

I do not troll Buck, that Browns thread I linked shows I was discussing the OP in a polite, civilized manner. I do not run around crapping on another team every chance I get like yourself, as others have noticed. Unlike yourself I do not talk shit to other teams fans, taunt them, or call them trash. I also do not harass members through PM, and run crying to the mods.

Your actions and comments are the only troll like ones I see, and you are right, it is getting tiresome. Look above on this page, you came into this thread and started your shit again with me, but only after sending me yet another harassing PM.

Thats why i sent you a PM instead of posting it. You shit on me in the browns thread, I edited my post just for you and still that wasnt good enough. You have to carry this bickering on, posting that browns thread is multiple threads where it didnt belong. How many people have to tell you to cut it out Ken?

I did not shit on you in the Browns thread, perhaps you need to read it again. Blacktiger also caught and pointed out the minor mistake you made, but by then you were locked into blasting me. If you took it the wrong way I apologize, although your comments were far more disrespectful than anything I said.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me..._key=y&keyword1=browns

The next thing I know I am getting harassing PMs from you, and a mod asking me WTF you are babbling about. Instead of letting it go you came here and started it again, and then ran right away to immediately send me another inflammatory PM even though I previously asked you politely to stop.

Are you done?

I thought it was done, until you continued it in this thread and by sending me another harassing PM today. I should have known by your trollish comments and actions in that Browns thread you would not let it go, now I do.

Are you done now?

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: OdiN
Patriots are freaking cheaters! EVERYTHING SUCKS!


You should lock yourselves in a closet for a while so we don't have to see your posts.

Pfft, everyone tapes and looks for every advantage possible, IMHO short of snagging an opposing teams' playbook none of it helps nearly as much as watching game film. JJ stopped taping while in Dallas because he found it offered so little assistance it was not even worthwhile. Execution beats knowledge. When the Ravens were running effectively last night NE knew it was coming, but could not stop it from happening.

Starting to see some of what I mentioned earlier in the season about their defensive shortcomings. I questioned the speed of the linebacking corps, and their ability to maintain over the long season due to their age. NE had to play a lot of 4-3 last night due to the problems the are having at LB. They did sign Chad Brown recently, and I would expect him to be suited up next week and contribute down the stretch.

Next week should be a good game, next to the Colts this should be the most balanced team NE has faced when considering both sides of the ball. More physical, better run game, and greater overall defensive speed in the back 8. Pitt will of course use a 3-4 alignment, which the Beagles and Ravens were able to utilize in generating pressure and disrupting the passing game. At times you will see them use a 2-4-5. At the beginning of the season there was talk of a "new wrinkle" in their zone blitz scheme, it has not been used yet AFAIK. If they have been saving anything, it should come out in this game.

NE should be able to exploit Pitts injuries in the secondary, special teams coverage, and shaky pass protection. They did a good job protecting Ben against Cinci this week, but I will not believe they have fixed this two year problem in one game.

This will be the only game I will actively root against NE this season, and only because they are playing my beloved Steelers. If NE wins I would like to see NE run the table for the "perfect" season. I think it would be great for the NFL for any team to go undefeated, and unlike most here (it seems) I have no problems with the Pats being that team.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/intel?gameId=271209017

I can't believe you wrote all of that in response to a bunch of BS that I wrote.

What a tool.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: OdiN
Patriots are freaking cheaters! EVERYTHING SUCKS!


You should lock yourselves in a closet for a while so we don't have to see your posts.

Pfft, everyone tapes and looks for every advantage possible, IMHO short of snagging an opposing teams' playbook none of it helps nearly as much as watching game film. JJ stopped taping while in Dallas because he found it offered so little assistance it was not even worthwhile. Execution beats knowledge. When the Ravens were running effectively last night NE knew it was coming, but could not stop it from happening.

You gotta love Patriot fans using the same, tired reason for trying to justify their team cheating. I've said this over and over and over again on here yet no one seems to listen. The "advantage" they may or may have not gotten from looking at video tapes is not the issue here. The fact that many other teams and coaching staffs "most likely" employed some kind of unethical/illegal measures to get ahead of the competition as well is not the issue either. Lastly, the contents of the video(s) is also of no consequence either, what you and me may see as nothing special could very well be crucial information for trying to come up with what a defense/offense is going to do next.

So all that being said, what's the issue here? INTENT! I don't care WHAT was recorded, HOW many times it was recorded, WHO did the recording, WHEN the recording was done, WHY the recording was beneficial to the team, or WHERE it was recorded. The Patriots made a conscious effort to "externally" cheat (I say externally because many players cheat or try to get away with things during games all the time, which is obviously different then this) and they were CAUGHT. Not only that, they were caught doing the same thing twice!

Now, was it the most sinister thing ever done involving professional sports cheating? Probably not even close. Should games/records/awards be confiscated because of the infraction? Unless more information about it comes out (tapes are burned *rolls eyes* so I doubt it).. no, I don't think so. Does it cast doubt on the previous games and Super Bowls the Patriots won? To me, yes doubt is cast on them, but you can't say for sure cheating look place without evidence. Remember, it's only cheating if you get caught.

Why is it like that? Because you can't call someone a cheater without proof, that's just juvenile to do so otherwise. The Patriots may not have been able to even sniff that video they recorded against the Jets, but what about against Green Bay the year before? Doing it once gives you credence to say it was an isolated thing against one team the coach probably still holds a grudge over, but doing it twice brings up the question of if this was a routine thing that was done against other teams in the past. And that's what irks me the most, it's been proven these guys cheated more than once yet people still try to make light of the incident. The intent is there, it was there against the Packers, the Jets, and lord knows who else now..

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: OdiN
Patriots are freaking cheaters! EVERYTHING SUCKS!


You should lock yourselves in a closet for a while so we don't have to see your posts.

Pfft, everyone tapes and looks for every advantage possible, IMHO short of snagging an opposing teams' playbook none of it helps nearly as much as watching game film. JJ stopped taping while in Dallas because he found it offered so little assistance it was not even worthwhile. Execution beats knowledge. When the Ravens were running effectively last night NE knew it was coming, but could not stop it from happening.

Starting to see some of what I mentioned earlier in the season about their defensive shortcomings. I questioned the speed of the linebacking corps, and their ability to maintain over the long season due to their age. NE had to play a lot of 4-3 last night due to the problems the are having at LB. They did sign Chad Brown recently, and I would expect him to be suited up next week and contribute down the stretch.

Next week should be a good game, next to the Colts this should be the most balanced team NE has faced when considering both sides of the ball. More physical, better run game, and greater overall defensive speed in the back 8. Pitt will of course use a 3-4 alignment, which the Beagles and Ravens were able to utilize in generating pressure and disrupting the passing game. At times you will see them use a 2-4-5. At the beginning of the season there was talk of a "new wrinkle" in their zone blitz scheme, it has not been used yet AFAIK. If they have been saving anything, it should come out in this game.

NE should be able to exploit Pitts injuries in the secondary, special teams coverage, and shaky pass protection. They did a good job protecting Ben against Cinci this week, but I will not believe they have fixed this two year problem in one game.

This will be the only game I will actively root against NE this season, and only because they are playing my beloved Steelers. If NE wins I would like to see NE run the table for the "perfect" season. I think it would be great for the NFL for any team to go undefeated, and unlike most here (it seems) I have no problems with the Pats being that team.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/intel?gameId=271209017

I can't believe you wrote all of that in response to a bunch of BS that I wrote.

What a tool.

I'm done with you buck but I will ask you politely one more time to please stop trolling/harassing me, thanks.

What is in bold was the response to what you wrote Odin, not the entire post. The rest was just my take on the upcoming game and it seemed to make more sense to include it rather than making an additional post. Sorry for adding a (non NE fan) opinion that echoed your sarcastic comment about the cheating being blown out of proportion. Thanks for the compliment though, classy.

Next time read the whole post BrokenVisage, if you had you would have realized I am not a Pats fan. Pretty clear I am a Pitt fan, you don't have to be a NE fan to disagree with all the whining about their "cheating". I still think the biggest advantage is gained by studying game film, and any other little BS most/all teams do is insignificant by comparision. Execution and talent still trump anything IMHO, and that can't be cheated.

Jimmy Johnson flat out admitted he did it in Dallas, yet I don't hear anyone suggesting they strip those teams of their titles or place an asterik on their record. It's petty, commonplace, and the only reason it has maintained these legs is those looking for any reason to bash on NE.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: OdiN
Patriots are freaking cheaters! EVERYTHING SUCKS!


You should lock yourselves in a closet for a while so we don't have to see your posts.

Pfft, everyone tapes and looks for every advantage possible, IMHO short of snagging an opposing teams' playbook none of it helps nearly as much as watching game film. JJ stopped taping while in Dallas because he found it offered so little assistance it was not even worthwhile. Execution beats knowledge. When the Ravens were running effectively last night NE knew it was coming, but could not stop it from happening.

Starting to see some of what I mentioned earlier in the season about their defensive shortcomings. I questioned the speed of the linebacking corps, and their ability to maintain over the long season due to their age. NE had to play a lot of 4-3 last night due to the problems the are having at LB. They did sign Chad Brown recently, and I would expect him to be suited up next week and contribute down the stretch.

Next week should be a good game, next to the Colts this should be the most balanced team NE has faced when considering both sides of the ball. More physical, better run game, and greater overall defensive speed in the back 8. Pitt will of course use a 3-4 alignment, which the Beagles and Ravens were able to utilize in generating pressure and disrupting the passing game. At times you will see them use a 2-4-5. At the beginning of the season there was talk of a "new wrinkle" in their zone blitz scheme, it has not been used yet AFAIK. If they have been saving anything, it should come out in this game.

NE should be able to exploit Pitts injuries in the secondary, special teams coverage, and shaky pass protection. They did a good job protecting Ben against Cinci this week, but I will not believe they have fixed this two year problem in one game.

This will be the only game I will actively root against NE this season, and only because they are playing my beloved Steelers. If NE wins I would like to see NE run the table for the "perfect" season. I think it would be great for the NFL for any team to go undefeated, and unlike most here (it seems) I have no problems with the Pats being that team.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/intel?gameId=271209017

I can't believe you wrote all of that in response to a bunch of BS that I wrote.

What a tool.

I'm done with you buck but I will ask you politely one more time to please stop trolling/harassing me, thanks.

What is in bold was the response to what you wrote Odin, not the entire post. The rest was just my take on the upcoming game and it seemed to make more sense to include it rather than making an additional post. Sorry for adding a (non NE fan) opinion that echoed your sarcastic comment about the cheating being blown out of proportion. Thanks for the compliment though, classy.

Next time read the whole post BrokenVisage, if you had you would have realized I am not a Pats fan. Pretty clear I am a Pitt fan, you don't have to be a NE fan to disagree with all the whining about their "cheating". I still think the biggest advantage is gained by studying game film, and any other little BS most/all teams do is insignificant by comparision. Execution and talent still trump anything IMHO, and that can't be cheated.

Jimmy Johnson flat out admitted he did it in Dallas, yet I don't hear anyone suggesting they strip those teams of their titles or place an asterik on their record. It's petty, commonplace, and the only reason it has maintained these legs is those looking for any reason to bash on NE.

Stop posting.

 

[Alistar7]

I didn't realize I needed your permission to address others who comment on my posts.
What a joke....

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
I didn't realize I needed your permission to address others who comment on my posts.
What a joke....

Ok, we get it, are you done now?

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Alistar7
I didn't realize I needed your permission to address others who comment on my posts.
What a joke....

Ok, we get it, are you done now?

Are you done with just trying to provoke me, I guess not.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Alistar7
I didn't realize I needed your permission to address others who comment on my posts.
What a joke....

Ok, we get it, are you done now?

Are you done with just trying to provoke me, I guess not.

Do you always have to have the last word? Yes. Learn to zip it.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Alistar7
I didn't realize I needed your permission to address others who comment on my posts.
What a joke....

Ok, we get it, are you done now?

Are you done with just trying to provoke me, I guess not.

Last word.

*edit* Capt got the joke.

Alright, lets move on.

 

[videogames101]

flame on...

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: videogames101
flame on...

I feel like Ray Lewis in a room full of Refs.:evil:

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Alistar7
I didn't realize I needed your permission to address others who comment on my posts.
What a joke....

Ok, we get it, are you done now?

Are you done with just trying to provoke me, I guess not.

Last word.

*edit* Capt got the joke.

Alright, lets move on.

The only joke is you calling someone else a troll when all you are doing is acting like one, harassing another member, and telling them to "stop posting" when they are responding to comments directed at them by others.

You think you have a legitimate complaint or the right to tell me not to post go cry to a mod, again.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: videogames101
flame on...

I feel like Ray Lewis in a room full of Refs.:evil:

or Cops.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: rsd

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Someone needs to pull a Joe Paterno on Belichick and take out his legs during a game, I may actually be able to stomach the Gaytriots going 16-0 if Bill has to coach from the press box. Most arrogant, dishonest, disrespectful, condescending, misleading, over-secretive coach EVAR!

Keep the HATE coming, I LOVE it.

"Classy" comments like this shows how skewed the fan/media perception is.

I LOVE IT.:lips:

And I'm sure your feelings/thoughts about the guy are just as even and unbiased as mine. You must have him all figured out living in the Patriot province.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: videogames101
flame on...

I feel like Ray Lewis in a room full of Refs.:evil:

or Cops.

ZING!

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Alistar7
I didn't realize I needed your permission to address others who comment on my posts.
What a joke....

Ok, we get it, are you done now?

Are you done with just trying to provoke me, I guess not.

Last word.

*edit* Capt got the joke.

Alright, lets move on.

The only joke is you calling someone else a troll when all you are doing is acting like one, harassing another member, and telling them to "stop posting" when they are responding to comments directed at them by others.

You think you have a legitimate complaint or the right to tell me not to post go cry to a mod, again.

Maybe now?

 

[akshatp]

This thread delivers.

 

[shocksyde]

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Alistar7
I didn't realize I needed your permission to address others who comment on my posts.
What a joke....

Ok, we get it, are you done now?

When do you turn 5, little boy?

Oh, you're not turning 5? You sure act like it.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Alistar7
I didn't realize I needed your permission to address others who comment on my posts.
What a joke....

Ok, we get it, are you done now?

When do you turn 5, little boy?

Oh, you're not turning 5? You sure act like it.

I didnt start this mess.

 

[Deeko]

I feel....left out?

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: Deeko
I feel....left out?

Dallas sucks







/runs

 

[akshatp]

Originally posted by: Deeko
I feel....left out?

Dont worry. Our time will come when the Boys defeat the Pats in February.