Patriots TE Hernandez in big trouble

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iamwiz82

Lifer
Jan 10, 2001
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Yeah, if you are going to pop somebody minutes away from your home, you *probably* don't want to go immediately back home *AND* be brandishing a firearm in plain sight while walking inside.

Nor leave a shell casing in the rental car that was in your name. Or break your cell phone and hand it to police.

The whole thing looks more like a slapstick comedy than a real murder. What was he thinking?:|
 

gorcorps

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Jul 18, 2004
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Here it comes... this will be the case that legally ties the physical abuse players take to the brain to severe psychosis. The lawyer will present the evidence of previous suicides of players, and Hernandez won't be found guilty because of his mental state. He will serve a relatively small amount of time and spend a short time in a fancy rehab facility. He'll never return to the game again, but that's okay for him because he's not in jail.

In response the NFL is pressured to eliminate the possibility of anything like this happening again. In no more than five years they will be reduced to the NFFL: National Flag Footbal League
 

BUTCH1

Lifer
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WTF did he destroy when they reported he destroyed his surveillance system? He didn't destroy the tape/disc??? That was what made him look guilty in the first place...but if he just broke a monitor or recorder and not the actual incriminating evidence...must be one dumb mofo. His lawyer should use mental retardation as his defense.

He deleted 6 hours of time from the hard drive, supposedly. I would have just deleted everything on it, hook up the 12V connector to 120v ac then reinstall it, now you could say a "power surge" hit it.. How he didn't know about cloud storage is beyond me, maybe he never switched phones or had one lost/broken/stolen. all this because the friend "hung out" with a couple of people H didn't trust, maybe the dude knew details or was involved with the double homicide cops are now suggesting H was involved in last year. Just boggles the mind, 50mil contract, playing for a contender every year, lived in a mini mansion, hottie fiancee and a one yr old kid, the excitement of playing in the NFL in one of the top offenses in the league, now possibly looking at getting out of jail when he over 60, I would kill myself in that situation if the opportunity presented itself, a lifetime in a 6X10 foot cell eating prison food for the next 40-50 years?, fuck that, let me die now.
 

dud

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Pats sure did the right thing by cutting bait right away.



Does anyone know what, if any, part of the $40M contract that the Pats have to pay Hernandez? I would assume that each team has an standard "escape" clause in each of their contracts just to cover messes like this.


Just curious.
 
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Here it comes... this will be the case that legally ties the physical abuse players take to the brain to severe psychosis. The lawyer will present the evidence of previous suicides of players, and Hernandez won't be found guilty because of his mental state. He will serve a relatively small amount of time and spend a short time in a fancy rehab facility. He'll never return to the game again, but that's okay for him because he's not in jail.

In response the NFL is pressured to eliminate the possibility of anything like this happening again. In no more than five years they will be reduced to the NFFL: National Flag Footbal League

i've said for a while the nfl is on borrowed time, although your point would be more convincing if he didn't have a history of being a thug.
 

vi edit

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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...being-investigated-2012-double-165259897.html

"
Abreu, Furtado and three others left the club, and were stopped at a light when a "silver or gray SUV with Rhode Island license plates" pulled alongside them, according to the Globe. Abreu and Furtado were shot and killed but the other three men survived."

Eventually teams are going to enact the Dez Bryant policy on their key players and put a babysitter on them and prohibit them from being anywhere close to a "club" in the wee hours of the night.
 

SpunkyJones

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Does anyone know what, if any, part of the $40M contract that the Pats have to pay Hernandez? I would assume that each team has an standard "escape" clause in each of their contracts just to cover messes like this.


Just curious.

Generally football contacts are not are not guaranteed, but he already got 12.5 of it in a signing bonus, which the pats can kiss goodbye.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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He's guilty as hell for this murder. Open and shut. B-bye.

I'm curious about what evidence they have linking him to the 2012 double murder, the cover-up of which is the supposed motive for the current murder.

He has friends he can call who will come help him kill someone? I wonder how many other murders/crimes these guys have committed together, and how far back it goes.
 

Nintendesert

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I was thinking, for all the hysteria Boston went through for those pressure cooker-terrorists, Aaron Hernandez might have killed just as many!
 

Anubis

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Aug 31, 2001
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He's guilty as hell for this murder. Open and shut. B-bye.

I'm curious about what evidence they have linking him to the 2012 double murder, the cover-up of which is the supposed motive for the current murder.

He has friends he can call who will come help him kill someone? I wonder how many other murders/crimes these guys have committed together, and how far back it goes.


i have friends who would help me kill someone and dispose of a body
doesnt everyone?
 

KeithTalent

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Generally football contacts are not are not guaranteed, but he already got 12.5 of it in a signing bonus, which the pats can kiss goodbye.

Yeah my guess is the bonus is all he gets, the rest goes bye-bye.

KT
 

techs

Lifer
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All the Hernandez haters gonna be embarrassed when it turns out it was a frame job by Ed the Fireman.
 

mugs

Lifer
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Generally football contacts are not are not guaranteed, but he already got 12.5 of it in a signing bonus, which the pats can kiss goodbye.

Didn't Atlanta successfully sue Michael Vick to get back guaranteed money?

Does the $12.5 million count against the cap this year?
 

KeithTalent

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Financially, the ramifications of the move are even murkier. In the short term, the Patriots will have just more than $10 million in dead money hit their cap as a result of cutting Hernandez. Because they released him a mere season after signing him to an extension, $10 million of his $12.5 million signing bonus, which was spread over the seven years in his extension, accelerates into the present. Since Hernandez was released after June 1, the cap hit is spread over two seasons, but combined with guaranteed base salaries for 2013 and 2014, the financial impact is noticeable. The Patriots will have $4.1 million in dead money for Hernandez on their cap this season, with a more painful $8.6 million coming next year.

The Patriots can try to recoup some of the money owed to Hernandez, but it's unlikely to prevent the deal from hitting their salary cap. NFL Network's Ian Rapoport noted that Hernandez's contract does not contain any "failure to perform" clauses that would allow the Patriots to skip out on paying him the remaining $3.25 million due from his signing bonus or his guaranteed base salaries in 2013 ($1.32 million) and 2014 ($1.14 million). According to Rapoport, most Patriots contracts contain such a clause, but Hernandez's deal only holds that to be the case in terms of his workout bonuses, which should save the Patriots a mere $82,000 in 2013 and $500,000 in 2014. The only way the Patriots could save more money would be if another team signed Hernandez, with their payments offsetting some or all of the money the Patriots were otherwise due to pay him.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-t...s-of-the-patriots-releasing-aaron-hernandez-2

KT
 

jlarsson

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A bit more information on this:

As to the signing bonus, the team’s decision to cut Hernandez makes it much more difficult to block the final payment or to recover any of the $8.75 million already issued to Hernandez. As to the guaranteed salaries, multiple sources have indicated that Hernandez likely will not be entitled to any further payment.

Despite the absence of forfeiture language for the guaranteed salaries, the guarantee applies only to terminations made due to injury, skill (i.e., perceived lack of it), and the salary cap. Because the Patriots cut Hernandez pursuant to paragraph 11 of the standard player contract, which permits termination of employment when the player “has engaged in personal conduct reasonably judged by Club to adversely affect or reflect on Club,” the guarantee evaporates.

As we understand it, that’s not merely the team’s position. The NFLPA, we’re told, agrees with the interpretation.

While this doesn’t prevent Hernandez from filing a grievance aimed at getting the money, it’s a steep uphill climb and, frankly, the least of his concerns.

The more intriguing fight will arise in connection with the unpaid $3.25 million installment of the signing bonus. That money already has been earned by Hernandez. But cutting him, the Patriots apparently surrendered any ability to recover the money that has been paid or to keep the portion that hasn’t been paid.

Still, it currently appears that the Patriots will at a minimum force Hernandez to sue for the rest — and at most try to recover as much of the previously-paid signing bonus as they can.

Source
 

AMDZen

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All of this was from his arraignment yesterday.

The charges:

Murder
Carrying a firearm without a license
Possession of a large capacity firearm x2
Possession of a firearm without and FID card x2

The evidence:

- Victim found 1/2 mile from Hernandez's home w/ numerous gunshot wounds
- 5 .45 caliber shells found at the scene, fired from a semi-auto weapon, based on the locations and distance between them.
- Victim was not robbed, had wallet, keys and phone.
- Keys were to a rental car, registered to Hernandez.
- Phone contained text messages between the victim and Hernandez, within hours of the murder.
- Victim's sister said her brother left at 2:30 AM in a silver Nissan Altima with three people inside
- Hernandez had been renting a Silver Nissan Altima
- Hernandez had known the victim for about a year, The victims girlfriend is the sister of Hernadez's Fiance
- The police went to question Hernandez, Who didn't answer the door. a squad car was placed outside. Eventually Hernandez came out, and told the cops he knew they were they and that he had been watching them on his surveillance system
- A warrant was issued to seize surveillance footage from Hernandez's home.
hernandez had recently installed a 14 camera system with cameras inside and out.
- Upon reviewing the footage, they noticed that the first 6-8 hours of footage after the time of the murder was missing.
at 9:02 PM Hernandez texted a friend from out of state "please make it back"
- 9:05 he texted the victim, indicating he wanted to come by and get together with him
- 9:35 he texted the same out of state friend "get your ass up here" then at 10:23 "hurry your ass up"
- The man he was texting and one other showed up at hernandez's home, seen on surveillance footage
- Shortly after they arrive, Hernandez is seen with a firearm in his home on the surveillance system says "he is upset that he can't trust anyone anymore"
- the three left Hernandez's home at 1:12 AM in the silver Nissan Altima, captured on survelliance, phone records and cell tower
- the went from Hernadez's home to route 95, headed south towards (? couldn't understand) they turned around and went north. the cell phone tower tracked their movement to a gas station off route 128
- at 2:10AM Hernandez bought Gas, Bubbalicious blue cotton candy gum, and black and milds which are used for smoking mariujana (the prosecutor seems to be mistaken about common blunt cigars but oh well)
- Next they went to the victims home, at 2:32 am Hernandez sent a text "we're here" to the victim, this is when the victims sister saw him leave with them, Hernandez was driving
- They drove back to North Attleboro, this is corroborated by some random surveillance cameras and route was determined by time and distance traveled.
during the ride, Hernandez had a conversation with the victim indicating he was upset with him. The two had gone to a club together friday night.
he said some things happened that night and he wasn't sure if he could trust the victim, one of them was that the victim had spoken to some people He had troubles with, and he was mad about it.
- At 3:07 AM the victim sent a text to his sister "did you see who I am with" no response he texted again at 3:11 AM "Hello?"
- at 3:19 am his sister replied "who?" at 3:22 the victim texted back "NFL" then 1 minute later "Just so you know"
- at the time of these texts, the car is seen on surveillance cameras in the area of the murder site/Hernandez's home
- Surveillance cameras show the vehicle driving down the road to the murder site at 3:23 AM
- between 3:23 and 3:27 am workers nearby hear multiple gunshots
- cameras pick up the vehicle along the route between the murder site and Hernandez's home at 3:27 and 3:28 AM.
- Hernandez's own Surveillance picks sees him arriving back home at 3:29 AM
- Police confirm it is only a 2 minute drive.
- autopsy found that all evidence was consistent with the victim being murdered where he was found. In other words, he wasn't dumped. Also consistent Time of death to the time the car was there.
- two through and through wounds to the victim's chest. Police returned to the scene and dug where the victim was, they found the bullets, indicating the victim was on the ground when he was shot. Both bullets were .45 caliber, consistent with the casings found. All fired from the same unknown gun
- at 3:30 AM Hernandez is seen with his companions in his driveway, one of whom has a gun.
- they go inside. Surveillance shows Hernandez walking around with a gun in his hand.
- all three go to the basement. Surveillance cameras shut off
- later that day, 5:30 PM Hernandez and his companions return the Nissan Altima to the rental agency, Hernandez offers the attendant Blue Bubbalicious.
- one of the side mirrors is broken on the car, footage of the vehicle earlier in the night suggest it wasn't broken when he left Boston, he tells the rental agency he didn't even notice it. The evidence being that it was broken sometime between leaving Boston and arriving back at home.
- He rents another car and returns home, companions leave.
- At the rental agency, a piece of bubbalicious and a shell casing were found, attendant threw them away. When questioned, she told investigators about it, they found it in the dumpster, Shell casing matched to the casings found at the scene.
- Tire impressions at the murder scene right next to the body were consistent with a front wheel drive vehicle (altima is FWD)
- Investigators checked out the rental car. Tire treads matched those at the crime scene. Dirt found on the car also matched the crime scene
- They found a .22 nearby in a search of everywhere between Hernandez's home and the murder site. Hernandez a month prior had been involved an altercation in providence Rhode island. He had someone with him who was seen to place a gun under a car. This man matches the description of one of his companions on the night of the murder.
- The gun under the car in Providence was traced to a florida gunstore. The 22 found between Hernandez's home and the murder site was from the same store.
- further search warrant of Hernandez's home ordered. They found 22 ammo, but no 22 gun. They also found a large capacity 7.62 hungarian semi auto rifle, and a fully loaded 32 round magazine . Hernandez's prints on it, he doesn't have the correct paperwork to own it.
- Not recovered was the Black semi auto handgun seen in Hernandez's hand before and after the murder. the second individuals gun not found either.
- Hernandez's girlfriend was spoken to by police, she was cooperating until a call from hernandez telling her not to. She then stopped talking.
- the victim had defensive wounds and seemed to attempt to stop the bullets with his arms.

there also seems to be a sealed affadavit, so it looks like someone talked (especially since they know the convo with the victim in the car)

Another Man seems to have been arrested in connection with this case. Carlos Ortiz

EDIT: Hernandez reportedly being looked into in a double homicide from last year No clue about the validity, it's an unnamed source on a fox news affiliate so take it with a grain of salt.

EDIT2: Full video of the arraignment

EDIT 3: Boston Globe reports victim may have been killed because he knew details of the double shooting Hernandez is being looked into for.

EDIT4: Bail appeal hearing going on right now. Live video on NFL Network and ESPN

EDIT 5: apparently yesterday a warrant was issued for a condo in Hernandez's name. 3 boxes of .45 caliber ammo. Hummer registered to Hernandez outside the condo contained a magazine for a .45 handgun. Both the gun in the video seen in Hernandez's hand and the murder weapon were Glocks.

Prosecutor: doesn't want to disclose motive that hasn't already been made public, but there is more than he is saying now. Repeats motive from yesterdays arraignment. victim and defendant had an argument last friday.

again references conversation in the car with the victim on the night of the murder. Hernandez indicates he is angry with the victim for talking to people Hernandez doesn't like at the club. Doesn't think he can trust him. "Hernandez had the motive and he was the one in control"

Sites this image (I assume it's this image) as an example of what the murder weapon would look like, and as proof he had one.

Judge: evidence circumstantial for sure, but VERY VERY strong.

BAIL DENIED
 

Pocatello

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What kind of society we live in which a simple murder is being tracked by everything? The uses of our phones turn against us, that is just not right.
 
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