Paul Walker dead

[LTC8K6]

New video shows that the car was going fast, takes out the light pole, then a tree, and then hits the second tree and stops. The light pole and first tree were carried down the sidewalk by momentum to end up near the car. The car traveled quite a way on the sidewalk. It was likely a wreck before it reached the second tree and stopped.

The car apparently took about a full minute to blaze up.

New video is from the side, almost perpendicular with the vehicle's path. Haven't found a link yet. Saw it on the morning news. You can clearly see the light pole and tree fall over and the second tree rock.

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/03/showbiz/paul-walker-death/

CNN discusses the video, but only has the edited version, without the full minute delay?

 

[LTC8K6]

So, they are on the sidewalk well back from the final resting place...and the impacts occur while the car is traveling mostly on the sidewalk, it seems.

That accounts for the lack of marks on the road near the car, I guess.

 

[TechBoyJK]

http://www.wreckedexotics.com/carreragt/carreragt_20100805_1.shtml

sounds familiar...

 

[PliotronX]

sounds familiar...

Carbon fiber frame combined with over 600 ponies = wanting to leave the road. If it weren't for the downward force of F1's they'd leave the road nearly instantly. Professional racers tend to keep this characteristic fresh in their heads..

Trees are less forgiving than cliffs

 

[Markbnj]

Daily Mail today: "In a written statement on Monday the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department said they 'have received eyewitness statements that the car involved was travelling alone at a high rate of speed'. 'No eyewitness has contacted the [department] to say there was a second vehicle.'

Then later in the same article: "There has also been a suggestion that the 605 horsepower car suffered a massive fluid leak immediately before the crash, but authorities played down that theory today. Investigators have so far have found ‘no evidence’ of a fluid leak from the car at the scene, said Sheriff's Capt. Mike Parker."

Yeah, I know... the Daily Mail. Still, they're quoting someone so that does raise their credibility just slightly.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...end-got-Porsche-GT-worker-failed-park-it.html

 

[7window]

New video shows that the car was going fast, takes out the light pole, then a tree, and then hits the second tree and stops. The light pole and first tree were carried down the sidewalk by momentum to end up near the car. The car traveled quite a way on the sidewalk. It was likely a wreck before it reached the second tree and stopped.

The car apparently took about a full minute to blaze up.

New video is from the side, almost perpendicular with the vehicle's path. Haven't found a link yet. Saw it on the morning news. You can clearly see the light pole and tree fall over and the second tree rock.

50 mph will not take out 2 fix object. This just proves it

 

[rh71]

EDIT> nvm

 

[alkemyst]

50 mph will not take out 2 fix object. This just proves it

Are you an expert? Do you know what the breakaway rating of the light was? The diameter and condition of the tree?

 

[TechBoyJK]

50 mph will not take out 2 fix object. This just proves it

Smaller tree and a pole that's meant to break if hit? I might be able to kick that pole over depending on how it's assembled.

 

[7window]

Are you an expert? Do you know what the breakaway rating of the light was? The diameter and condition of the tree?

I am not an expert. Just common sense and if this is not a warning then go ahead and try it.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

I am no expert, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

 

[Brian Stirling]

And once again we can spin this like a top if we wish but I am confident the police either know already or will know shortly just how fast they were going and they'll know it from several angles.

The company the makes the light pole will be able to provide info and the force needed to shear the pole. Other experts will be able to calculate the force needed to take down the tree. They will almost certainly be able to pull data from the computer and that will tell them how fast they were going in minute detail. Also, experts will be able to calculate the speed seen in and and all video as that's a pretty trivial task for anyone with 4 years of high school math and science.

I have not seen any of the video myself -- could someone post links to the best video available. I'd like to take a stab at calculating speed from the videos...


Brian

 

[zbalat]

And once again we can spin this like a top if we wish but I am confident the police either know already or will know shortly just how fast they were going and they'll know it from several angles.

The company the makes the light pole will be able to provide info and the force needed to shear the pole. Other experts will be able to calculate the force needed to take down the tree. They will almost certainly be able to pull data from the computer and that will tell them how fast they were going in minute detail. Also, experts will be able to calculate the speed seen in and and all video as that's a pretty trivial task for anyone with 4 years of high school math and science.

I have not seen any of the video myself -- could someone post links to the best video available. I'd like to take a stab at calculating speed from the videos...


Brian

See post #327

 

[Number1]

Its certainly not a tin can like some people seem to act like it is, and I think they hit it at just the right spot to basically cause the worst that could happen.

My guess is it hit that pole at high speed right in the side which snapped a lot of the bolts connecting the front and back pieces, that exposed the fuel tank which got torn open (if you look above the tarp in the early pics you can see a sorta hollow metal piece that looks like it was cleaved open) and that threw gas out which ignited.

I do wonder if Porsche has gotten any calls concerning the 918 Spyder, it seems to share a pretty similar configuration, in fact it might be even worse. The fuel tank is right up near the top, right in front of the engine and the muffler/exhaust is at the top front of the engine (so right next to the fuel tank). Plus its sitting on top of the battery pack.

Wow the passengers are practically sitting on the gas tank. The tank location is ideal in most type of crashes but obviously would have been heavily damaged in this type of sideways impact where the car is almost ripped in 2. Not that it matter at this point for the occupants who would more than likely be dead at this point.

So it sure looks like a high speed crash where the driver lost it and went sideways into 2 trees and a light pole. Reckless driving.

 

[MiataNC]

Wow the passengers are practically sitting on the gas tank. The tank location is ideal in most type of crashes but obviously would have been heavily damaged in this type of sideways impact where the car is almost ripped in 2. Not that it matter at this point for the occupants who would more than likely be dead at this point.

So it sure looks like a high speed crash where the driver lost it and went sideways into 2 trees and a light pole. Reckless driving.

Most cars have fuel tanks directly behind or below the passengers.

The only thing "unique" about a Porsche is the mass of the engine mounted behind the passengers and fuel tank.

 

[Genx87]

Autopsy reports say the driver died on impact. Walker died of traumatic + thermal injury. Oh man I hope he was in a state of shock or passed out when being consumed by fire. That video seemed to look like a guys head was moving within the flame. But that could just be how the flame came out of the car or a shadowing effect.

 

[Number1]

Autopsy reports say the driver died on impact. Walker died of traumatic + thermal injury. Oh man I hope he was in a state of shock or passed out when being consumed by fire. That video seemed to look like a guys head was moving within the flame. But that could just be how the flame came out of the car or a shadowing effect.

It's starting to look like they hit driver side first and then sinned into the second tree where it came to a stop.

 

[Pardus]

 

[MiataNC]

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/oscars/2013/12/paul-walker-autopsy?mbid=social_facebook

Meanwhile, officials have told People that Walker and Rodas were driving over 90 m.p.h. when their Porsche GT hit a light pole, two trees, and a sign indicating the 45 m.p.h. speed limit.

 

[mugs]

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/oscars/2013/12/paul-walker-autopsy?mbid=social_facebook

Meanwhile, officials have told People that Walker and Rodas were driving over 90 m.p.h. when their Porsche GT hit a light pole, two trees, and a sign indicating the 45 m.p.h. speed limit.

Sounds like someone is just angry and wants to blame a couple of rich guys and assume they were a danger to society.

 

[LTC8K6]

It's possible that the concrete pole landed on their heads when they hit it...it may have killed one of them by hitting him in the head.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

what a stand up guy.
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/v...er-bought-soldier-wedding-ring.kcal-kcbs.html

never cared even the slightest whenever a celebrity died. not MJ, steve jobs, princess Diana, heath ledger, etc...
and although he's the least famous and a sub-par actor, i'm most saddened by his death because he is so down to earth and just an all around good guy.

 

[MiataNC]

Sounds like someone is just angry and wants to blame a couple of rich guys and assume they were a danger to society.

Me?

I am not angry. I am just pointing out that speed high speed was the main factor in the total destruction of the car. Many people in this thread have been trying to claim that the results of the crash happened at relatively legal speeds, or that the car was not built well enough to protect the occupants at relatively legal speeds. This is simply not true.

There is no "blame" or "danger to society" to be assessed here. It was a lapse in judgement that resulted in the tragic death of two men with families. Nothing more.

 

[KeithTalent]

Oh yeah, he was also decent in Running Scared. Pretty good little movie.

KT