Paul Walker dead

[mugs]

Me?

I am not angry. I am just pointing out that speed high speed was the main factor in the total destruction of the car. Many people in this thread have been trying to claim that the results of the crash happened at relatively legal speeds, or that the car was not built well enough to protect the occupants at relatively legal speeds. This is simply not true.

There is no "blame" or "danger to society" to be assessed here. It was a lapse in judgement that resulted in the tragic death of two men with families. Nothing more.

I was quoting this maroon: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35806626&postcount=306

 

[DougK62]

I initially thought they may have been driving at a more civil speed until I saw the video. It's clear that they were moving at a good clip. Still, they must've hit a pothole, wave in the road, animal in the road, etc. that made him lose it. The driver played a game of chance and was just unlucky - it doesn't take much at those speeds. RIP.

 

[alkemyst]

I was quoting this maroon: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35806626&postcount=306

It's impossible to judge speed from a CCTV camera that has also been filmed. One does not know the FPS or actually measured distances crossed.

I was not debating speed was a factor either...it's just that it's entirely possible that no matter what speed they were going this accident would happen.

Also at 45MPH into objects like this a car like this one gets EXTREMELY mangled.

Most of you have clear agendas here and in other posts against those with money and popularity.

 

[alkemyst]

Me?

I am not angry. I am just pointing out that speed high speed was the main factor in the total destruction of the car. Many people in this thread have been trying to claim that the results of the crash happened at relatively legal speeds, or that the car was not built well enough to protect the occupants at relatively legal speeds. This is simply not true.

There is no "blame" or "danger to society" to be assessed here. It was a lapse in judgement that resulted in the tragic death of two men with families. Nothing more.

Even investigators are not claiming speed was the main factor yet.

Actually they are playing a bit of a game insisting they need the 'black box' first prior to making a full statement.

 

[alkemyst]

I am not an expert. Just common sense and if this is not a warning then go ahead and try it.

A warning?!? I am assuming your '7window' handle refers to VW buses. Are you a tree hugger that wants to see these 'rich folk' driving their gas guzzler punished?

Even the police haven't officially made a claim to anything yet.

We all know they were speeding. However; no one can say it was reckless or not yet...nor if it was actually the speed that was the MAIN factor.

 

[darkswordsman17]

It's impossible to judge speed from a CCTV camera that has also been filmed. One does not know the FPS or actually measured distances crossed.

I was not debating speed was a factor either...it's just that it's entirely possible that no matter what speed they were going this accident would happen.

Also at 45MPH into objects like this a car like this one gets EXTREMELY mangled.

Most of you have clear agendas here and in other posts against those with money and popularity.

In other words you were talking out of your ass and were wrong.

 

[Markbnj]

I initially thought they may have been driving at a more civil speed until I saw the video. It's clear that they were moving at a good clip. Still, they must've hit a pothole, wave in the road, animal in the road, etc. that made him lose it.

You can find lots of videos of people losing control of powerful cars. Sometimes all it takes is a little unexpected wheel slip on one side.

 

[7window]

A warning?!? I am assuming your '7window' handle refers to VW buses. Are you a tree hugger that wants to see these 'rich folk' driving their gas guzzler punished?

Even the police haven't officially made a claim to anything yet.

We all know they were speeding. However; no one can say it was reckless or not yet...nor if it was actually the speed that was the MAIN factor.

Hmm a tree hugger? Don't really care if these guys are rich or have nice cars. I actually like to hang out at cars and coffee. I just know, being around cars, that if its a super cars you need to treat it with caution or it will kill you.

 

[DrPizza]

It's impossible to judge speed from a CCTV camera that has also been filmed. One does not know the FPS or actually measured distances crossed.

I was not debating speed was a factor either...it's just that it's entirely possible that no matter what speed they were going this accident would happen.

Also at 45MPH into objects like this a car like this one gets EXTREMELY mangled.

Most of you have clear agendas here and in other posts against those with money and popularity.

That wouldn't matter if it was filmed by a CCTV and later filmed, provided the CCTV was played back at actual speed (not fast forward, or slow) and the film was played back at normal speed as well. Calculating the speed within about 6% error would be fairly trivial for a high school physics student. (Meaning, an error of +- 3mph for every 50mph.) Distance doesn't have to be measured directly - all you would need to know are the dimensions of the vehicle.

Further, if you know the frame rate of the film taken of the CCTV, I haven't completely thought this through, but I'm pretty sure you can calculate the frame rate of the CCTV; perhaps not exactly calculate the frame rate, but determine that the frame rate is either, say, 30fps, or 60fps, but not 24 fps. Assuming there are standard rates, by elimination, you'd know which was the actual frame rate.

<--- does video analysis to determine speeds fairly frequently, since it makes for a practical physics lab project.

 

[Brian Stirling]

See post #327

That video only shows the tree and light pole going down and doesn't show the car at all. I understand there is video that does show the car as it was moving and that's what I'm interested in.

I also understand that the speed being quoted (People?) is like 90mph which is in line with my expectations given the damage...


Brian

 

[TechBoyJK]

That video only shows the tree and light pole going down and doesn't show the car at all. I understand there is video that does show the car as it was moving and that's what I'm interested in.

I also understand that the speed being quoted (People?) is like 90mph which is in line with my expectations given the damage...


Brian

It's possible they were barely speeding, but tried to accelerate around the turn to get some g forces. Instead they launched the car off the road as the car accelerated.

In a Top Gear video, they said you can be doing 145mph in that car and still spin the tires when you floor it.

 

[Remobz]

RIP Brother

http://www.hypeseek.com/10-movies-that-made-us-love-paul-walker/

 

[Childs]

RIP Brother

http://www.hypeseek.com/10-movies-that-made-us-love-paul-walker/

Maybe he was somewhat one dimensional as an actor, but he was in a lot of watchable movies. I liked the F&F franchise even though it became kinda outrageous. It was cool how Tokyo Drift ended up being the linchpin on the series, and wasnt even considered a real F&F movie because non of the regulars were in it. Was really looking forward to 7 after the ending of 6. And Joy Ride was great. Kinda hard to believe he was 40. At least he had a pretty good life.

 

[leeland]

That video only shows the tree and light pole going down and doesn't show the car at all. I understand there is video that does show the car as it was moving and that's what I'm interested in.

I also understand that the speed being quoted (People?) is like 90mph which is in line with my expectations given the damage...


Brian

Is that video that shows the car viewable online? Didn't know there was video actually showing the car.

 

[Brian Stirling]

It's possible they were barely speeding, but tried to accelerate around the turn to get some g forces. Instead they launched the car off the road as the car accelerated.

In a Top Gear video, they said you can be doing 145mph in that car and still spin the tires when you floor it.

Actually, that doesn't make a lot of sense and heres why...

If they were at lowish speed and they gassed it they could loose control but the car would tend to spin like a donut and not fly off the road.

But, apart from that, the amount of damage isn't consistent with a low to moderate speed shunt. The car was practically folded in half and that just isn't going to happen with any car certified for the road.

Again, there is a report that quotes the speed at about 90mph and that IS consistent with the amount of damage.


Brian

 

[Remobz]

Maybe he was somewhat one dimensional as an actor, but he was in a lot of watchable movies. I liked the F&F franchise even though it became kinda outrageous. It was cool how Tokyo Drift ended up being the linchpin on the series, and wasnt even considered a real F&F movie because non of the regulars were in it. Was really looking forward to 7 after the ending of 6. And Joy Ride was great. Kinda hard to believe he was 40. At least he had a pretty good life.

Wasn't that Japanese guy Sung Kang a regular?

 

[mugs]

Most of you have clear agendas here and in other posts against those with money and popularity.

Man, you are the worst kind of poor person. You not only see yourself as a temporarily embarrassed millionaire, but you're a white knight hanger-on who feels obligated to come to the aid of any wealthy or famous person whose honor is besmirched. This isn't about Paul Walker's money or fame, you're the one whose making it about that. You'd see the same responses if Joe Sixpack crashed his Nissan Maxima into a tree at 90 mph.

 

[Childs]

Wasn't that Japanese guy Sung Kang a regular?

He started in Tokyo Drift, and was every movie after, but not the first two.

 

[smackababy]

He started in Tokyo Drift, and was every movie after, but not the first two.

The director of Tokyo Drift brought the character from another movie he previously made that Sung Kang was in.


And even without the original cast, it was a ton better than the 2nd F&F movie, which nearly killed the series. Justin Lin (the director) directed all the movies afterwards and made them back into good movies.


What I am wondering is if F&F7 will be any good (not being directed by Justin Lin) and what they will do about Paul Walker's death, as they were reportedly about half way finished filming.

 

[Childs]

The director of Tokyo Drift brought the character from another movie he previously made that Sung Kang was in.


And even without the original cast, it was a ton better than the 2nd F&F movie, which nearly killed the series. Justin Lin (the director) directed all the movies afterwards and made them back into good movies.


What I am wondering is if F&F7 will be any good (not being directed by Justin Lin) and what they will do about Paul Walker's death, as they were reportedly about half way finished filming.

Apparently the movie was Better Luck Tomorrow, which I've seen, but dont really remember it or Han. Yeah, I thought Tokyo Drift was fine on its own, and people will probably appreciate it better now that what happened in that movie matters.

F&F7 will probably still be good. You still have The Rock, Jason Statham and Vin Diesel. Since they brought back Lucas Black from Tokyo Drift, maybe they will have him "replace" Walker's character. Just make it so that O'Connor and his girlfriend didn't join because of their kid or something. If they didnt have Statham show up in number 6, I would think it would have been better to not do another movie, cause you cant end the series on that tease. They can't really use most of the footage they already shot, then suddenly kill off Walker's character in a car crash. They should rewrite and reshoot.

 

[smackababy]

Apparently the movie was Better Luck Tomorrow, which I've seen, but dont really remember it or Han. Yeah, I thought Tokyo Drift was fine on its own, and people will probably appreciate it better now that it turns out that what happened in that movie matters.

F&F7 will probably still be good. You still have The Rock, Jason Statham and Vin Diesel. Since they brought back the Lucas Black from Tokyo Drift, maybe they will have him "replace" Walker's character. Just make it so that Walker and his girlfriend didn't join because of their kid or something. If they didnt have Statham show up in number 6, I would think it would have been better to not do another movie, but you cant end the series on that tease. They can't really use most of the footage they already shot, then suddenly kill off Walker's character in a car crash. They should rewrite and reshoot.

I wonder how Lucas Black will portray a high schooler now. He 32...

I've seen Better Luck Tomorrow, and it wasn't very good. I remember Han not being anywhere near as cool as he was in F&F, in fact, quite the opposite.

 

[Kaido]

Not sure if it's been brought up, but the cause appears to be a power steering fluid leak:

http://www.dnaindia.com/entertainme...o-porsche-s-power-steering-fluid-leak-1928731

The most current theory I heard was that they were traveling 40 to 45 MPH in a 45 MPH zone, the power steering fluid leaked, they crashed, and the fluid exploded, causing the fire. The accident sure looks like they were going faster to me, but I guess we'll wait to hear the official story

 

[alkemyst]

Not sure if it's been brought up, but the cause appears to be a power steering fluid leak:

http://www.dnaindia.com/entertainme...o-porsche-s-power-steering-fluid-leak-1928731

The most current theory I heard was that they were traveling 40 to 45 MPH in a 45 MPH zone, the power steering fluid leaked, they crashed, and the fluid exploded, causing the fire. The accident sure looks like they were going faster to me, but I guess we'll wait to hear the official story

Kaido it's not your fault, I don't think you are a troller here.

I know some of the people involved in this.

No one can really say if they were speeding. They may have been, it's really about RECKLESS DRIVING like that asshat on the interstate weaving in and out of near accidents and leaving behind bad ones. I don't think there is many on this forum that never went 20+ mph over a limit at times.

There really was no explosion at first. They heard a crash and another crash...didn't know it was in their fold and then saw the fire/smoke in the sky.

There was no RECKLESS DRIVING. No one was endangered.

They are really making this out to power steering, but now I am thinking it may have been brake fluid.

There is a lot of leqal issues at this level that the powers that be and the family are going to hash out.

Porsches go up in smoke a lot...it's rare you have a beloved celebrity (except on AT where Paul Walker that wasn't even driving is fucking playing F&F in real life).

It's sad.

 

[Printer Bandit]

everything after Tokyo Drift were prequels. Since Sung Kang died in Part 3, but appeared in parts 4, 5, 6.

 

[alkemyst]

Man, you are the worst kind of poor person. You not only see yourself as a temporarily embarrassed millionaire, but you're a white knight hanger-on who feels obligated to come to the aid of any wealthy or famous person whose honor is besmirched. This isn't about Paul Walker's money or fame, you're the one whose making it about that. You'd see the same responses if Joe Sixpack crashed his Nissan Maxima into a tree at 90 mph.

Mugs. That's a mirror you will need to cross.

It's very clear you are poor.

I "ain't" no millionaire.

I am not a white knight.

In my life I call myself gray.

This is indeed about Paul Walker's Money and Fame.

Joe Sixpack crashes daily. He doesn't become Paul Walker doing that. Nor does the world talk about Joe Sixpack doing it, except for his 4 facebook friends.