Paul Walker dead

[alkemyst]

I assume that's an idiom in your native language. It doesn't translate.

I thought English was your native tongue....looking in a mirror is a popular expression in my English language and also many others.

Sure, whatever. I don't discuss my finances here.

We don't need to hear how you live that way.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Steinbeck#Disputed

Nice you set it up!

Only to you. The rest of us are talking about what the driver did.

BOOM there is is and yes many are angry about this shiny person in a nice car.

Find any video of an Joe Sixpack driving dangerously resulting in an accident and post a thread here, you'll see the same negative responses as in this thread. Here you go: http://www.reddit.com/r/roadcam

You win the internet! Now try to win a life!

The only difference when Paul Walker is involved is that the discussion lasts longer because it has been in the news repeatedly and people have been waiting for details from the police.

Like you not sleeping until Paul Walker goes down. You do realize he was not the driver, I hope!

The police can, and they have.

But was speed the MAIN factor. Again, you are too angry to focus. I hope you didn't kick someone with your steeltoes tonight.

Driving on those roads at the speeds that have been reported is quite reckless.

That road is a center for racers. You are like our politicians only about 1/8 as smart.

Arguably, Paul Walker was endangered.

Paul Walker died. At least, qualify your argument properly.

 

[MagickMan]

Right, Right.

Find a single review of the car that mentions understeer or a single video of the car leaving the track nose first. There are hundreds of reviews and dozens of crash videos and they all mention oversteer at all points, not a single word about understeer from anyone. But hey, you're driving expertise trumps that of all automotive journalists and test drivers combined.

Sorry, no offense. I don't want to argue here, it ain't the right place for it, but I guess the oversteer they talked about is the "snap" variety that all of them encountered with that car. I can't even imagine how they claim it won't understeer. As I said, it's counterintuitive but like an F1 car, they (Carrera GTs) need copious amounts more speed to get them to act like what you'd expect from more tame vehicles, even those with prancing ponies on the hood.

Listening to the Porsche guys before we drove the GT was like hearing Mr Miyagi in Karate Kid. "Either you race car do 'yes' or race car do 'no'. You race car do 'guess so', *squish* just like grape."

This is not really the thread for his brags how he is a top rated boxer and now a top rated driver.

Reported. Stop trying to derail this thread (and others) with your incessant trolling. That has nothing to do with the subject.

 

[Kaido]

But was speed the MAIN factor.

I think that arguing about the primary issue being something other than driving 90mph+ into a tree is like focusing on whole milk making you fat after downing an entire box of Oreos

 

[Kaido]

I can only imagine. I've been in situations driving where I wasn't in control and I can't even describe the fear that hit me. I can only imagine how it would feel with a machine that powerful but so light. Man...

I hit black ice at the bottom of a bridge on the way to work one morning. Slid about 100 feet. That feeling of floating in a 3,000-pound car with zero control is horrifying :thumbsdown:

 

[OBLAMA2009]

some dudes got bustid for taking car parts as souvenirs:

http://www.tmz.com/2013/12/05/paul-walker-death-porsche-wreckage-parts-stolen-arrest/

imma still tryin ta find out, who da hell was paul walker???

 

[ViviTheMage]

I thought this little reddit story was very interesting... RIP Paul.

http://xz.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1rxie5/i_met_paul_walker_a_few_months_ago_ive_seen_a_lot/

 

[Printer Bandit]

http://imgur.com/a/HlE0h

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6okridFiBM

 

[brainhulk]

Im wondering if a brake line busted and sparks caused it to ignite. Ive seen it before watching races on t.v. someone correct me if im wrong in that it can ignite

With regards to the understeer/oversteer debate. Even though ive never driven the car, i find it hard to believe that there is a car that does not understeer ever. the transition between the two is fluid and much of it is driver induced. The driver was an experienced road course driver and should have been proficient enough not too induce severe extremes of each willingly. Now if he lost the brakes he wouldnt be able to balance the car correctly into the corner...yikes

 

[mugs]

I thought English was your native tongue....looking in a mirror is a popular expression in my English language and also many others.




We don't need to hear how you live that way.



Nice you set it up!




BOOM there is is and yes many are angry about this shiny person in a nice car.




You win the internet! Now try to win a life!



Like you not sleeping until Paul Walker goes down. You do realize he was not the driver, I hope!



But was speed the MAIN factor. Again, you are too angry to focus. I hope you didn't kick someone with your steeltoes tonight.



That road is a center for racers. You are like our politicians only about 1/8 as smart.





Paul Walker died. At least, qualify your argument properly.

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be mad about here? Or what makes you think I'm angry at all?

Yes I realize Paul Walker was not the driver, that was really clear from my comments. I'm not sure why you think this was not reckless because the road was a "center for racers." Because racing on public roads is not reckless? An industrial park on a weekend is probably as safe as a public road gets with regard to possibly injuring non-participants, but it's still reckless.

 

[TechBoyJK]

the bickering is polluting this thread

 

[purbeast0]

the bickering is polluting this thread

you mean like every other thread alkymest comes into?

that reddit story is pretty cool. all around paul walker just seemed like a really down to earth cool dude.

 

[Brian Stirling]

You know, most of us that have ever driven a sports car, or any car for that matter, have from time-to-time gone over the speed limit. In fact, on most any freeway the average driver is speeding by 5mph-10mph over the limit and in many places more than half the drivers are going 10mph-20mph over the limit.

In my youth I had a Yamaha RD-350 two-stroke motorcycle that outran more police than I care to admit, thankfully that's more than 30 years ago and I never had an accident because of it. I've driven an Acura Integra GSR at 142mph on public roads (interstate was empty) and an VFR-800 at 153mph (on an empty back road) and if I'd hit a decent sized tree either time at those speeds I'd have been put into plastic bags, many plastic bags.

Point is, we can argue about whether Paul Walker or his driver were speeding but in truth, most of us have done similar things and been lucky that nothing bad came of it. Sometimes, however, your number is up...

I'll put aside the speculation for now as I think we'll soon know what the police know about the accident itself.


Brian

 

[EagleKeeper]

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be mad about here? Or what makes you think I'm angry at all?

Yes I realize Paul Walker was not the driver, that was really clear from my comments. I'm not sure why you think this was not reckless because the road was a "center for racers." Because racing on public roads is not reckless? An industrial park on a weekend is probably as safe as a public road gets with regard to possibly injuring non-participants, but it's still reckless.

A curvy road with a 45mph speed limit is not considered to be safe for racing unless you are using pedal cars or go-karts

Backing you up mugs :thumbsup:

 

[Tweak155]

You know, most of us that have ever driven a sports car, or any car for that matter, have from time-to-time gone over the speed limit. In fact, on most any freeway the average driver is speeding by 5mph-10mph over the limit and in many places more than half the drivers are going 10mph-20mph over the limit.

In my youth I had a Yamaha RD-350 two-stroke motorcycle that outran more police than I care to admit, thankfully that's more than 30 years ago and I never had an accident because of it. I've driven an Acura Integra GSR at 142mph on public roads (interstate was empty) and an VFR-800 at 153mph (on an empty back road) and if I'd hit a decent sized tree either time at those speeds I'd have been put into plastic bags, many plastic bags.

Point is, we can argue about whether Paul Walker or his driver were speeding but in truth, most of us have done similar things and been lucky that nothing bad came of it. Sometimes, however, your number is up...

I'll put aside the speculation for now as I think we'll soon know what the police know about the accident itself.


Brian

No, most people don't go that fast on the road, ever.

 

[EagleKeeper]

You know, most of us that have ever driven a sports car, or any car for that matter, have from time-to-time gone over the speed limit. In fact, on most any freeway the average driver is speeding by 5mph-10mph over the limit and in many places more than half the drivers are going 10mph-20mph over the limit.

Brian

I have a fair amount of inter interstate driving under my belt. I can agree that there will be a few that will do 20mph over the speed limit.

However, If I am going 70-75, very few times have I ever seen people blow by me at 90.

The few that I have; majority I have see pulled over to the side with a blue light behind them a few miles down the road.

There is a large difference between going 70 on a road zoned for 50 (which is unsafe) and going 90 on a 70 road (which may be safer due to the road; but less reaction time).

 

[rudeguy]

I have a fair amount of inter interstate driving under my belt. I can agree that there will be a few that will do 20mph over the speed limit.

However, If I am going 70-75, very few times have I ever seen people blow by me at 90.

The few that I have; majority I have see pulled over to the side with a blue light behind them a few miles down the road.

There is a large difference between going 70 on a road zoned for 50 (which is unsafe) and going 90 on a 70 road (which may be safer due to the road; but less reaction time).

You never drove in Detroit?

59 is a great example. The posted limit is 55 but if you do less than 85 you will mess up traffic for everyone. 75 on the weekends might as well be the Autobahn.

 

[leeland]

You never drove in Detroit?

59 is a great example. The posted limit is 55 but if you do less than 85 you will mess up traffic for everyone. 75 on the weekends might as well be the Autobahn.

Same as in Chicago...HATE driving down there...55 mph speed limit and cars are passing me when I am going 75 like I am standing still!

 

[EagleKeeper]

You never drove in Detroit?

59 is a great example. The posted limit is 55 but if you do less than 85 you will mess up traffic for everyone. 75 on the weekends might as well be the Autobahn.

You think I am crazy

When working in Ann Arbor; I would get to the airport and visit Dearborn with a co-worker from Jordan - never turn down free food. That was as far as I went.

30 years ago, I used the Windsor Bridge - not a problem

 

[Brian Stirling]

Same as in Chicago...HATE driving down there...55 mph speed limit and cars are passing me when I am going 75 like I am standing still!

Yeah, a lot of places like that, particularly near big cities. I remember driving on one of the roads around Boston years ago that had a posted speed limit of 55mph, but the average was easily 85mph with some going noticeably faster than that.

Well, my crazy driving days are mostly over and I now find myself being the one being passed instead of doing the passing. Got a 2012 Ford Focus that I've put 27,500 miles on and my average over that interval is 38.5mpg -- that won't happen if you're playing Speed Racer.

Still, my point was most of us exceed the limit now and again and many do so daily so although it looks like Paul and friend were being stupid the fact is most of us have been stupid and some still are...


Brian

 

[7window]

You never drove in Detroit?

59 is a great example. The posted limit is 55 but if you do less than 85 you will mess up traffic for everyone. 75 on the weekends might as well be the Autobahn.

I remember driving in the autobahn at 80-90 and this guy in a small car flashing his high beams at me signaling me to move to the right. LOL

 

[alkemyst]

I remember driving in the autobahn at 80-90 and this guy in a small car flashing his high beams at me signaling me to move to the right. LOL

It's clear you have no comprehension of the rules of the road.

 

[TechBoyJK]

People need to realize that even if they were doing 30mph in a 45, simply gunning it to drift around the corner could have launched it into 100Mph+ territory uncontrollably.

 

[alkemyst]

I think that arguing about the primary issue being something other than driving 90mph+ into a tree is like focusing on whole milk making you fat after downing an entire box of Oreos

Athletes do this all the time...they but up big risks in a controlled environment.

I recently got to listen to John Foley of the Blue Angels talk about how they fly 18" from each other and close on each other at a combined speed of over 700MPH.

What happened with this Porsche is like when a Blue Angel has a malfunction and dies.

#GladToBeHere

 

[alkemyst]

A curvy road with a 45mph speed limit is not considered to be safe for racing unless you are using pedal cars or go-karts

Backing you up mugs :thumbsup:

Unless a speed trap. Our Southern Blvd here is a 8 lane east to west highway with overpasses instead of red lights. The limit goes down to like 40mph in sections.

Speed doesn't kill absolutely, recklessness doesn't either. I covered 597 miles in 6 hours once with two fuel stops. No one was in danger. I had to slow down many times during that run.

 

[leeland]

It's clear you have no comprehension of the rules of the road.

I don't get the hate in this reply...

I also had a chance to drive on the autobahn many years ago as the result of weird circumstances...it was an opal station wagon that was a 5 speed that topped out at 125 mph down a hill...

I had to drive from Slovenia to Berlin in one day...the amount of smart cars that were blowing past me was amazing lol.