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SKORPI0

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Coroner: Paul Walker car going 100-plus mph

Link to 15 page report (pdf file) --> http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/assets/paulwalker.pdf

Los Angeles (CNN) -- The Porsche carrying "Fast & Furious" star Paul Walker was speeding at more than 100 miles per hour when it crashed in November, killing the actor and a friend, according to the final coroner's report on the deaths.
The 15-page report released Friday by the Los Angeles County coroner's office answered several questions that had been the subject of speculation about how Walker and racing team partner Roger Rodas.
The two men apparently did not live long after the high-performance 2005 Porsche Carrera GT, which was traveling at "approximately 100+ mph," slammed into a light post and tree and burst into flames, the report said.

"For unknown reasons, the driver lost control of the vehicle, and the vehicle partially spun around, and began to travel in a southeast direction," the coroner's report said. " The vehicle then struck a sidewalk and the driver's side of the vehicle struck a tree and then a light post. The force of those collisions caused the vehicle to spin 180 degrees, and it continued to travel in an easterly direction. The passenger side of the vehicle then struck a tree and the vehicle burst into flames."
 
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purbeast0

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He died in a car going Fast and Furious.

i think you are the first person in the world to say this. ever.

stupid that they were going so fast. it didn't look like that street was a place that was really designed to be going close to those speeds like a major highway or something. sad they died but so incredibly stupid.
 

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I think this conclusion was obvious from the moment the video was released showing the car taking out a tree and then the pole. Some of his fans, probably for emotional reasons, wanted to believe that an act of God occurred. It's not news that young males (mostly) will pull shit like this when they can get away with it. They think they're invincible. It's not good when celebrities feed those impulses by acting recklessly. At those speeds Rodas could have done such a huge amount of damage to others or their property. I'm very glad that for the most part that didn't happen.
 

Brian Stirling

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Well they still haven't released all the information and I'd like to see a more complete detailing of the speed, not only at the moment of first impact, but in the seconds before that. However, the statement that they were going more than 100mph is completely consistent with the observed damage, no matter what Alkymest says...

My brother owned a car shop in an industrial park and we both got into it leaving there one day. We were in 4-bangers, his was a Turbo MR2 and mine was a Nissan 240SX. We hit about 85mph as we entered an S-turn and wouldn't you know a cop was sitting just off the road as we passed by. In 30 seconds there were 4 cop cars around us and we both got ticketed -- duh...

People do stupid stuff and most of us manage to escape uninjured -- but not all...


Brian
 

smackababy

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i think you are the first person in the world to say this. ever.

stupid that they were going so fast. it didn't look like that street was a place that was really designed to be going close to those speeds like a major highway or something. sad they died but so incredibly stupid.

I tried to make a website dedicated to Paul Walker, but it kept crashing. >_<

It sucks he died though. From what has come out, he seems like a really good guy.
 

Attic

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At least we can put to bed all the stupid notions that the car wasn't speeding in a reckless manner.

Don't drive 100mph on these streets if you don't want to end up dead. The deniers of the fact that the crash was 99% speed related were doing disservice to anyone who might take a lesson from reckless driving. When you die you don't get to blame BS car mechanics to save face, you die cause you were speeding like an idiot.

Paul Walker was a stud, there's no need to conflate the issue of who is was and how he died. Two separate issues that were causing a lot of folks to act very stupid.
 

smackababy

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At least we can put to bed all the stupid notions that the car wasn't speeding in a reckless manner.

Don't drive 100mph on these streets if you don't want to end up dead. The deniers of the fact that the crash was 99% speed related were doing disservice to anyone who might take a lesson from reckless driving. When you die you don't get to blame BS car mechanics to save face, you die cause you were speeding like an idiot.

Paul Walker was a stud, there's no need to conflate the issue of who is was and how he died. Two separate issues that were causing a lot of folks to act very stupid.

Walker wasn't the one driving, and remembering his legacy has little to do with a decision the driver of the car made.
 

lupi

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Assuming this was in like a 35mph area which puts it into yolo territoy.
 

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Assuming this was in like a 35mph area which puts it into yolo territoy.

The mental logic behind yolo evades me. You only live once... so throw it away foolishly? Maybe if we had nine lives, then when some asshole wanted to hang by his fingers from a crane, or base jump off a bridge, or ride a wheely down a highway his friends could all shrug and say "yhnl."
 

WaTaGuMp

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Anyone who thought the car was doing the speed limit must be delusional at best.
 

phucheneh

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If he had lost it while actually in that curve, I would suspect he would've ended up going off the other side of the road. Even though it's oversteer rather than understeer, the back end flying out is going to result in the car going off the outside of the turn because of inertia...he'd need traction to actually complete the turn.

Which I think the driver had/did...but after going through the curve, he dropped the hammer, the back end of the car came around violently, and he went into a spin. Once that happens, there's nothing that can be done. Hold on and wait for the world to stop spinning.
 

Brian Stirling

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Thanks to the map of the scene in the LA Times article I pulled that address up in Google maps and using street view it appears the trees were NOT the main thing that did damage to the car -- the light pole looks to me to be the most substantial thing they would have hit.

Copy this hercules st,valencia ca into Google maps then goto street view to see what I mean.

The imagery appears to be from 2011 so there's not much chance the trees got a lot more substantial since then.


Brian
 

manimal

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If he had lost it while actually in that curve, I would suspect he would've ended up going off the other side of the road. Even though it's oversteer rather than understeer, the back end flying out is going to result in the car going off the outside of the turn because of inertia...he'd need traction to actually complete the turn.

Which I think the driver had/did...but after going through the curve, he dropped the hammer, the back end of the car came around violently, and he went into a spin. Once that happens, there's nothing that can be done. Hold on and wait for the world to stop spinning.

exactly what I thought earlier. No PSM on those to bail him out either.
 

Brian Stirling

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If he had lost it while actually in that curve, I would suspect he would've ended up going off the other side of the road. Even though it's oversteer rather than understeer, the back end flying out is going to result in the car going off the outside of the turn because of inertia...he'd need traction to actually complete the turn.

Which I think the driver had/did...but after going through the curve, he dropped the hammer, the back end of the car came around violently, and he went into a spin. Once that happens, there's nothing that can be done. Hold on and wait for the world to stop spinning.

It actually pretty common for a car that loses it in a right hand turn to crash on the right side. The back end breaks free and the car, pointing to the right goes right. It's likely the car hit the light pole after the car had spun about 90 degrees or so. After knocking the pole down it continued until it hit the trees and it continued the spin until it would up hitting on the passenger side.

If you watch racing you'll notice that if a car has a mechanical failure, like a tire or if the car loses control via under-steer, it will tend to hit the outside. But, if the car loses it by the back end breaking away it's more likely it will crash in the inside. I'd bet my next paycheck that's what happened.


Brian
 

LTC8K6

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Thanks to the map of the scene in the LA Times article I pulled that address up in Google maps and using street view it appears the trees were NOT the main thing that did damage to the car -- the light pole looks to me to be the most substantial thing they would have hit.

Copy this hercules st,valencia ca into Google maps then goto street view to see what I mean.

The imagery appears to be from 2011 so there's not much chance the trees got a lot more substantial since then.


Brian

The light pole was probably a "breakaway" type and should be much safer in an impact than a tree.
 

phucheneh

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exactly what I thought earlier. No PSM on those to bail him out either.

Didn't even see that, but yeah, I'm guessing we've both experienced how scary-as-fuck a car with gobs of power can really be.

It's not all fun Jeremy Clarkson-esque POWEERRSLLLIIIDDEEE! Hell, even on TG, he's driven some cars where breaking the back end loose results in an immediate spin...this car was surely worse than any of those. The application of gobs of power, for that brief moment before the tires lose all traction, acts like a rocket shoved up the car's ass. You can't even start to react to it before said traction is then gone and the back of the car is flying one way and pushing the front towards the other...hello automotive pirouettes.

Here we go...I found a scientific recreation of this incident on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Pa3_X8UuYew#t=45
 
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Brian Stirling

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The light pole was probably a "breakaway" type and should be much safer in an impact than a tree.

There are pictures of it and it appears to have been a steel reinforced concrete pole and not likely the break-away kind...

As I said, the trees don't look all that impressive.


Brian
 

LTC8K6

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There are pictures of it and it appears to have been a steel reinforced concrete pole and not likely the break-away kind...

As I said, the trees don't look all that impressive.


Brian

Yeah, the hollow concrete poles are pretty common.

The breakaway part would be the base mount. I think they are required to be mounted that way.
 

SKORPI0

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Thanks to the map of the scene in the LA Times article I pulled that address up in Google maps and using street view it appears the trees were NOT the main thing that did damage to the car -- the light pole looks to me to be the most substantial thing they would have hit.

Copy this hercules st,valencia ca into Google maps then go to street view to see what I mean.

The imagery appears to be from 2011 so there's not much chance the trees got a lot more substantial since then.


Brian

Pics/streetview already posted here...Dec 1, 2013.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35797339&postcount=107
 

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If he had lost it while actually in that curve, I would suspect he would've ended up going off the other side of the road. Even though it's oversteer rather than understeer, the back end flying out is going to result in the car going off the outside of the turn because of inertia...he'd need traction to actually complete the turn.

Which I think the driver had/did...but after going through the curve, he dropped the hammer, the back end of the car came around violently, and he went into a spin. Once that happens, there's nothing that can be done. Hold on and wait for the world to stop spinning.

Dude, physics. This is a technical forum, we have standards . The car is going 100+ mph, around a curve. A spinning car has no traction. When a car spins it travels in a straight line from the point where the spin began until it stops or hits something that changes its course. The _only_ thing that can cause that car to follow a tighter curve into the inside wall (or whatever is there) is oversteer. In that particular car it was almost certainly caused by losing the back end. The fact that the driver's side impacted first seals the deal on that. End of story.
 
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