Paul Walker dead

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http://www.gtspirit.com/2009/08/12/burned-down-porsche-carrera-gt/

I doubt the gas tank on this one ruptured and it went up in flames pretty good too, so it'll be interesting if they can say where it actually started.

A lot of race cars use foam inside the tanks so the liquid doesn't splash out as badly if the tank ruptures. That crash looks bad enough to cause catastrophic damage no matter what though.

Sorry to see Paul go, FnF was a memorable movie of my youth.

That's sometimes all it takes though.

Could have been an oil fire as well? Oil tank/pan rupture.

Not sure, it uses a dry sump system and not sure where the reservoir is or how big it is.

Fuel cells can burst, too.

There are accidents that exceed the design specification of anything out there.

One could design a perfectly safe fuel tank, but then it would weigh 10,000 pounds and hold an ounce of gas.

They can but they greatly reduce the risk. In this instance the aluminum tank was housed in probably the strongest structural part of the car, although it looks like that whole section went up in flames. I wonder what the flammability properties of carbon composite is? It might be less the carbon fiber and more the resin used to seal the layers together. Several Ferrari fires I believe it was the glue used around the engine bay that caught fire.
 
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I wonder if any businesses had cameras running and had a view of what happened.

The car was pretty much destroyed before the fire, imo. It's nearly completely wrapped around that tree on the passenger side. Quite an impact. Walker didn't survive that impact, imo.

http://mynews13.com/content/dam/news/images/2013/11/Paul-Walker-wreck-120113.jpg

http://entertainment.inquirer.net/files/2013/12/paul-walker-accident.jpg

I doubt he did as well (or rather hope so) although the rear frame actually looks intact by the firewall, it looks like its the middle section that houses the fuel tank that was the source of the burn. I think you might even be able to see part of the fuel tank in the pics.

I thought it looked more together in the Facebook video when it was on fire, so I wondered if the fire department didn't pull it apart.

I don't even see a mark on the curb.

It supposedly hit a light pole just down the sidewalk there (right near the drive entrance to whatever business is there, you can see it with the 45MPH sign on it in one of the Google Map images).
 

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Street tires have grooves to give water a place to go which means there is less rubber gripping the road.
 

LTC8K6

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I read that it is 14.5L of oil on the first fill up, and 10L for an oil change.
 

Dari

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"[The Carrera GT is] the first car in my life that I drive and I feel scared." - Former world rally champion and Porsche test driver Walter Rohrl

The release of Porsche's Carrera GT, which will challenge the Ferrari Enzo for the title of the world's fastest car, has been delayed because one of its most experienced test drivers says it is too powerful for mere mortals.

Former world rally champion and Porsche test driver Walter Rohrl told Drive the new Porsche supercar is "the first car in my life that I drive and I feel scared".

Just three Australians have ordered one, but they have told Porsche their cars will be garaged in Europe because the Carrera GT cannot be registered here.

Rohrl, who has been testing the Carrera GT in prototype form for the past three years, said it is so powerful that it spins the rear wheels in each gear up to fifth in its six-ratio box.

Power and acceleration figures are yet to be announced but Rohrl gave a clue to the engine's awesome performance, saying that the 5.5-litre V10 produces 450Nm of torque from as little as 2000rpm.

Overseas reports claim that the engine has a maximum of 450kW and 600Nm and that the engine revs to 9000rpm.

Earlier this year, Rohrl said, the engineering team was about to cancel a day's testing at the famous Nurburgring circuit because of wet weather. But, Rohrl said, when he insisted the car had to be tested in slippery conditions, he discovered the car's daunting performance.

"I came back into the pits and I was white," Rohrl said. "I immediately said to the engineers that we need one button for the wet and one button for the dry", referring to the need for a traction control switch.

Originally, he said, there were no plans to fit electronic traction control to the Carrera GT but his insistence has forced Porsche to develop a system at late notice.

Porsche is also trying to refine the gearbox -- but getting so many heavy-duty parts to move smoothly and quickly has proved challenging for engineers.

Rohrl says the car will not be released "until it is perfect" and that the maker is under no time pressure to deliver the Carrera GT.

"That is one of the good things about projects like this," he says. "Everyone wants the best and we will do what it takes, as long as it takes, to build the best.

"The car will sell whenever we bring it out."

Since its unveiling in concept car form at the 2000 Paris motor show, the Carrera GT has been on the road frequently as part of Porsche's rigorous testing program and accordingly has often been caught wearing little disguise (above).

The Carrera GT was at the Estoril F1 race track in Portugal last week for dry-weather testing. Rohrl, who was attending a media release for the new Porsche Cayenne 4WD at the time, was on the phone each night to check on the progress of his "baby".

At the Nurburgring, Rohrl tested the car with several tyre combinations and found that the 20-inch Michelin tyres, while excellent in the dry, were more of a handful in the wet than the equivalent Pirellis, on which he was 20 seconds a lap quicker around the 22km circuit.

Porsche has yet to make top speed claims about the Carrera GT but it has been reported that its tyres will be rated to 400kmh because the car is likely to exceed 350kmh.

The current benchmark is the three-seater McLaren F1 road car which recorded a top speed of 386.7kmh set in 1999. But this model has not been in production for four years, leaving the fight open for Porsche and Ferrari.

On paper, an acceleration time of 3.7 seconds for the 0-100kmh sprint is likely for the Carerra GT. Rohrl would not give an estimate.

"We develop the car to be the best we can possibly build and then put a stop watch on it," he said. "We don't come up with a time and say 'this is what we must achieve' because then you have a limit." Porsche plans to build no more than 1000 Carerra GTs (Ferrari is building 399 Enzos) over three years starting from mid-2003, assembling them by hand at the company's Leipzig plant alongside the Cayenne 4WD.
 

Saint Nick

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Were the bodies removed before the photos were taken? Or were they taken afterwards? I don't see them anywhere.
 

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Some of you people need to stop talking out of your asses so much. They've said they rushed to the car with fire extinguishers but that obviously didn't do anything. Like someone said, if you'd ever actually been near a car fire you'd STFU about people helping. There's no way they could have gotten them out. If they were lucky they died quickly from impact and not from the fire.


But they didn't, the video shows someone moving in the car...whilst it is burning up.
 

SKORPI0

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Were the bodies removed before the photos were taken? Or were they taken afterwards? I don't see them anywhere.
That would be horrible if there were photos of them dead and burned in their seats. P.Walker probably died on impact, driver could have survived but was trapped and couldn't move at all to get out.
People with their fire extinguishers trying to help were too late. :\
 
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CNN is saying cause of death seems to be from drag racing with another car. Skid marks on the asphalt near the crash site may indicate a car was doing doughnut spins.
 

Tweak155

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Dang that really sucks. Say what you want but I like the F&F franchise and this guy was a staple in them. RIP!
 

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CNN is saying cause of death seems to be from drag racing with another car. Skid marks on the asphalt near the crash site may indicate a car was doing doughnut spins.

They were taking joy rides for charity. The donuts may be from previous trips in the GT.
 

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Dang that really sucks. Say what you want but I like the F&F franchise and this guy was a staple in them. RIP!

Agree with this.

I only know him from FF, which has proven to be a great franchise.

He will be missed.
 

JM Aggie08

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Came to this thread to see people crying 'hoax' and playing the 'errr Paul who? lol, I dun know who he is' card.

Did not leave disappointed.
 

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Came to this thread to see people crying 'hoax' and playing the 'errr Paul who? lol, I dun know who he is' card.

Did not leave disappointed.

I guess there was a death hoax the day before, then he actually died the next day, so there was some confusion initially.

I hope they write him out in a blaze of glory in F&F #7.
 

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There's obviously no point to discussing anything with you (durr, really I thought the wing meant this thing could fly), and I don't want to derail the thread to make it all about you. Just wanted to say, you've talked out of your ass this whole thread and you're wrong on this.

Hey what's this, the fuel tank for the Carrera GT, and its located behind the passenger compartment between it and the engine?

Actually this looks somewhat bad for Porsche as the tank rupturing and being placed right next to the engine might have been the reason it went up like it did with the gasoline spilling onto the hot engine compartment. Although I'm guessing they found the carbon fiber surrounding it would be strong enough that it would take a wreck of significant enough force to rupture the tank in that spot, a wreck that likely would be capable of killing the occupants on its own.

Thought they carried over the location from the 99X series which is in the front bulk head. The 99X series is well known in Germany for fires...

Way to over-react though.
 
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