Paul Walker's daughter sues Porsche

Newell Steamer

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Attractive young girl grieving over her dead father - the Internet is going to have a field day with this.
 

Jodell88

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Porche will settle, and she'll get the money she wants.

I don't see how she'll win the argument in court though.
 

Lean L

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A Honda Civic is dangerous when being driven by an idiot.

Except that everything we know about what happened invalidates whatever point you're trying to make.

General consensus says that the car is insanely difficult to drive, the driver was very experienced, they were not racing.

What's really going to hurt her case is the fact that they found out the tires on the car was most likely the cause of the loss of control. They were something like 8 years old but passed visual inspection due to low miles.

This is a good PSA for replacing old tires.
 

z0mb13

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A Honda Civic is dangerous when being driven by an idiot.

Of course the biggest mistake lies in the driver..

But this is an exotic car capable of 200+ mph and its street legal to boot.. Porsche should know rich people would flog it on the street and why they didnt put traction control after so many cases also has merit IMHO
 

GagHalfrunt

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Except that everything we know about what happened invalidates whatever point you're trying to make.

General consensus says that the car is insanely difficult to drive, the driver was very experienced, they were not racing.

What's really going to hurt her case is the fact that they found out the tires on the car was most likely the cause of the loss of control. They were something like 8 years old but passed visual inspection due to low miles.

This is a good PSA for replacing old tires.

No, every consensus says that nobody crashes exotic cars unless traveling too fast for their skill level. The driver might have been experienced, but he was not skilled. A skilled driver does not plow a car into a pole on a clear dry road with no traffic or mechanical failure as a contributing factor. The driver was an idiot with more ego than skill. Every consensus says that you don't floor the throttle in a car without knowing how it will react. Every consensus says that when learning a new car you approach the limits slowly and intelligently so that you learn where they are without exceeding them. Every consensus says that you don't drive 90mph+ on a city street where the speed limit is 35mph. Every consensus says that no car is idiot proof and any car can be fatally crashed when an idiot is at the wheel.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Of course the biggest mistake lies in the driver..

But this is an exotic car capable of 200+ mph and its street legal to boot.. Porsche should know rich people would flog it on the street and why they didnt put traction control after so many cases also has merit IMHO

So are you saying that Paul Walker and the idiot driver were unaware the car didn't have training wheels? Are you saying that Porsche hid that fact? Are you saying that Porsche has a responsibility to babysit every driver in the world and to force every customer to buy cars that are 100% crashproof no matter how foolishly they're driven?

Could it be that the lack of traction control is a selling point and that some drivers will insist upon a car with no traction control or to buy one where the traction control can be switched off? If Porsche had traction control that could be switched off, like most can, and Walker switched it off, would Porsche then still be liable? What's the difference between a car without traction control and one with traction control that's disabled at the drivers choosing? If Walker wanted TC and planned to use TC didn't he have a wide selection of vehicles that have TC and doesn't the fact that he bought the Porsche instead of a different car demonstrate that he didn't want TC or plan to use TC?
 
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z0mb13

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So are you saying that Paul Walker and the idiot driver were unaware the car didn't have training wheels? Are you saying that Porsche hid that fact? Are you saying that Porsche has a responsibility to babysit every driver in the world and to force every customer to buy cars that are 100% crashproof no matter how foolishly they're driven?

Could it be that the lack of traction control is a selling point and that some drivers will insist upon a car with no traction control or to buy one where the traction control can be switched off? If Porsche had traction control that could be switched off, like most can, and Walker switched it off, would Porsche then still be liable? What's the difference between a car without traction control and one with traction control that's disabled at the drivers choosing? If Walker wanted TC and planned to use TC didn't he have a wide selection of vehicles that have TC and doesn't the fact that he bought the Porsche instead of a different car demonstrate that he didn't want TC or plan to use TC?

I don't disagree that the driver is most at fault, but making a car that is too dangerous to drive is also a problem. Should an auto maker make a car that 100% focus on a performance but not on safety and market it as street legal? With the type of clientelle of people that buy these cars thats not a wise choice imo.
 

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If you're going to have TC why even have an engine this powerful? On dry pavement would the TC even have turned on in that short a time?
 

SPBHM

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carrera gt was known and desired for being difficult to drive, they knew well what they were getting into... I don't see the point... if they wanted a slow car, a safer car or a easier car there are plenty of other options....
 

norseamd

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She has a case.. the carrera GT is a dangerous car...

Except that everything we know about what happened invalidates whatever point you're trying to make.

General consensus says that the car is insanely difficult to drive, the driver was very experienced, they were not racing.

What's really going to hurt her case is the fact that they found out the tires on the car was most likely the cause of the loss of control. They were something like 8 years old but passed visual inspection due to low miles.

This is a good PSA for replacing old tires.

Of course the biggest mistake lies in the driver..

But this is an exotic car capable of 200+ mph and its street legal to boot.. Porsche should know rich people would flog it on the street and why they didnt put traction control after so many cases also has merit IMHO

I don't disagree that the driver is most at fault, but making a car that is too dangerous to drive is also a problem. Should an auto maker make a car that 100% focus on a performance but not on safety and market it as street legal? With the type of clientelle of people that buy these cars thats not a wise choice imo.

Mount Everest is tall, and Mount Everest ought to know that rich shitsnobs would flock to climb it, and thus we ought to sue Mount Everest for being so dangerous when it knows that rich shitsnobs would flock to it for climbing.
 
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cubby1223

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Mount Everest is tall, and Mount Everest ought to know that rich shitsnobs would flock to climb it, and thus we ought to sue Mount Everest for being so dangerous when it knows that rich shitsnobs would flick to it for climbing.

We need to put up guard rails and prohibit access to the mountain.

Personal responsibility is an outdated concept of former times best forgotten.
 

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Waiting this long for a lawsuit like this is kinda suspicious. There should be a law that throws out a lawsuit like this based on this. She probably ran into some financial issues and decided to try to find something she can sue for.

Though there should also be a law to stop stupid lawsuits in first place. An easy fix would be to make it work like a casino game, if you lose, YOU have to pay what you "betted" (sued for). It would discourage stupid lawsuits and also discourage asking for ridiculous sums of money.
 

cubby1223

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Better yet lets sue the city for putting that lamp post there

Let's sue Graham Rahal for selling his deathtrap to Roger Rodas If the transaction didn't take place, Walker would be alive. Therefore Rahal is partially financially responsible for the death.
 

cubby1223

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Hard to say how this will play out, and I think there's a decent chance that both her and Porsche could end up looking bad.

Yes its a difficult car to drive, and I don't really think Porsche is at fault just for that (at what point are we going to make drivers responsible for themselves?), and I don't really see her case (if anything I'd think she'd place blame on the driver as this was quite clearly caused by excessive speed and loss of control on public road), but then maybe there is one to be made about the placement of the fuel tank which elevated the likelihood of a serious fire, or something else (i.e. improper safety equipment that contributed to him being trapped/knocked unconscious).

Maybe Porsche even knew of this likelihood and covered it up internally? Frankly I'd guess that they didn't even do proper full due dilliegence on the safety of it as its a very low volume car, its production was even a bit wonky (it basically came into existence because Porsche decided to scrap a return to Le Mans, and so they decided to put some of the development from that to use on a road car).

As a car person, I do hope this doesn't bear fruit as it would likely lead to more stringent regulation and some interesting cars might not get made.

Waiting this long for a lawsuit like this is kinda suspicious. There should be a law that throws out a lawsuit like this based on this. She probably ran into some financial issues and decided to try to find something she can sue for.

Though there should also be a law to stop stupid lawsuits in first place. An easy fix would be to make it work like a casino game, if you lose, YOU have to pay what you "betted" (sued for). It would discourage stupid lawsuits and also discourage asking for ridiculous sums of money.

I don't think it is suspicious, it very possibly took that long for them to get comprehensive information and find a lawyer they felt was competent to try and bring this case. It is also possible that they waited deliberately to try and keep from being accused of it being a knee-jerk reaction to his recent death. Hell, they might have even not felt like suing over and just wanting to move on, but now feel like there is enough to warrant it (possibly via getting information).

You really need to stop talking out of your ass so much, or better yet, learn something.

You can absolutely get damages for frivolous lawsuits and/or counter sue. Hell they even made it so that patent trolls that lose have to pay the costs of the defendent.

You also want to try and limit financial roadblocks as it then makes it so that people without money would be unable to defend themselves or bring proper lawsuits.
 

XavierMace

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Am I missing something that indicates how they determined he wasn't killed on impact? I mean looking at the wreckage, it's hard to imagine surviving that.
 

Zim Hosein

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Am I missing something that indicates how they determined he wasn't killed on impact? I mean looking at the wreckage, it's hard to imagine surviving that.

IIRC, when the accident first happened, eyewitness accounts mentioned seeing movement inside while the car was burning, I don't personally know for sure, but I'd hate to think they were burned alive!
 
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