More cores is the easy way to improve performance, and Intel gives us exactly that with its 8th Generation Coffee Lake processors—50 percent more cores than the previous generation, to be precise. But it's not just about cores, because clockspeed and per-core performance still matter, especially for games. While the Core i5-8400 has a base clockspeed that's relatively low (2.8GHz), on all the Z370 boards I've tried the chip runs at 3.8GHz when fully loaded, and up to 4.0GHz on two cores. Even better, it costs less than $200 and doesn't need any exotic cooling.
In performance tests, the i5-8400 basically matches the previous generation i7-7700K (running stock) in games and applications. It's clocked a bit lower, but the extra cores make up the difference. The only reason to go beyond the i5-8400 for a gaming PC is if you're thinking of running multiple GPUs, something we don't generally recommend, or if you like overclocking. For that, the Core i7-8700K is the way to go, but at double the price it's not something generally needed (and you'll still need to bring your own cooling solution).
Of course we have to give an honorable mention to AMD's Ryzen and Threadripper processors, without which we likely wouldn't have Intel's Coffee Lake or Core i9. Intel is still the best CPU choice for gaming, but the Zen architecture is a huge leap forward in AMD processor performance. 2017 was the year of the CPU, with five new platform launches and over 40 new individual CPU models—and that's not even counting mobile and specialized chips. It's the most excitement we've seen since the heady days of the race to 1GHz in 1999.
What does 2018 hold for us? There are rumors of an improved Ryzen architecture, 8-core Intel parts for the 300-series platform, and even processors with greatly improved integrated graphics. I'm not sure it can top 2017, but next year's CPUs should continue to bring more excitement to your PC's core component.
I agree if you can find it in stock it offers a great value. It also shows that you don't need high clock speeds to have good FPS.Yeah the i5-8400 is the best budget 6 core CPU out right now, and I would build a mid-range system using it if I needed a new mid-range build.
Yes but here to hoping AMD can top that next year.I agree if you can find it in stock it offers a great value. It also shows that you don't need high clock speeds to have good FPS.
Hmm. I thought people here on the forums tested MCE, and it didn't work on the locked CFL CPUs?While the Core i5-8400 has a base clockspeed that's relatively low (2.8GHz), on all the Z370 boards I've tried the chip runs at 3.8GHz when fully loaded, and up to 4.0GHz on two cores.
Hmm. I thought people here on the forums tested MCE, and it didn't work on the locked CFL CPUs?
Here are some comparisons. Depending on title, you probably wouldn't notice too much difference in gameplay if you don't look at the FPS meter.In real world applications (games mostly) how would this compare to a 2600K @ 4.8ish? Those chips can easily be had for $100 - $120.
Hmm. I thought people here on the forums tested MCE, and it didn't work on the locked CFL CPUs?
Edit: And no honorable mention for the Ryzen 5 1600X CPU? C'mon.
Of course we have to give an honorable mention to AMD's Ryzen and Threadripper processors, without which we likely wouldn't have Intel's Coffee Lake or Core i9. Intel is still the best CPU choice for gaming, but the Zen architecture is a huge leap forward in AMD processor performance.
Hmm. I thought people here on the forums tested MCE, and it didn't work on the locked CFL CPUs?
Edit: And no honorable mention for the Ryzen 5 1600X CPU? C'mon.
I believe those are the stock turbo clocks for the 8400, and they honorably mentioned all of the Ryzen and threadripper chips. (not sure why they would mention TR, but they did)Hmm. I thought people here on the forums tested MCE, and it didn't work on the locked CFL CPUs?
Edit: And no honorable mention for the Ryzen 5 1600X CPU? C'mon.
Ok, so I'm wrong. (I didn't actually read the article, was going to save it for later.)What, that wasn't enough?
Intel no longer publishes turbo clocks because they won't guarantee those clocks for people who incorrectly use\setup their systems. They will never release an 8400 that doesn't run 3.8ghz All core and still call it an 8400.The FCT is 3.8 without MCE. In theory anyway, remember Intel no longer publishes turbo clocks so it's not guaranteed. I do wonder if post-full Coffee Lake release the clocks on the 8400 will go down on average.
Intel no longer publishes turbo clocks because they won't guarantee those clocks for people who incorrectly use\setup their systems. They will never release an 8400 that doesn't run 3.8ghz All core and still call it an 8400.
The 8400 running all cores at 3.8ghz doesn't consume or generate insane amounts of heat. My guess is they released the 8400 with a low base clock because they wanted the more expensive 8600k to look like a better deal. At the end of the day, base clocks mean absolutely nothing because a CPU can throttle itself to any frequency it needs to.
I have to say while I am an Intel fan and enjoy current generation of chips, The 8400 should not have got this award. Every coffee lake CPU has been available since a month after launch with the exception of the 8400. The 8400 has been so limited I would have never given it this award. The 8700k was one of the biggest launches Intel has ever made and the chip has insane headroom. It's clear that Intel's 14++ process is so advanced most if not all of the 6core dies are reaching 8700k speeds and intel has decided to try to keep up with the 8700k by sacrificing 8400 availability. The 8400 should and will get tons of awards and accolades next year when it finally is available along with the cheaper motherboards.
I would spend ~$100 on a board to make sure I would a decent one that will last a long time.Agreed it's a great gaming CPU, with some caveats.
Pros: Great bang for buck, no fuss, just high fps out of the box. Minimum CPU I would recommend for 144Hz gaming.
Runs well with DDR4-2666 for gaming. No need for expensive DDR4 3200 CL 14 kits just to ’keep up' in gaming (yes I'm talking about Ryzen here)
Cons: No H or B series mobos until 2018 which pushes platform costs up. Not ideal for a budget oriented CPU that can't be overclocked to only have Z370 mobos available. That said, entry level Z370 mobos are getting close to $100 now which makes it easier to stomach for budget builds. Is it worth waiting a few months just to save $30 on a mobo?
Intel no longer publishes turbo clocks because they won't guarantee those clocks for people who incorrectly use\setup their systems. They will never release an 8400 that doesn't run 3.8ghz All core and still call it an 8400.
Personally I agree, plus Z chipsets can take advantage of K chips should you wish to upgrade the 8400 down the track.I would spend ~$100 on a board to make sure I would a decent one that will last a long time.
What do you mean they don't publish turbo clocks anymore?
It's the anycore turbo that Intel is no longer publishing. The implication is that Intel is now free to bin chips much looser since the chips now only have to be able to meet the base specs, and one core at the turbo spec.
Even older chips only published max turbo for single core. 6600K:
https://ark.intel.com/products/88191/Intel-Core-i5-6600K-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_90-GHz
2500K:
https://ark.intel.com/products/52210/Intel-Core-i5-2500K-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_70-GHz
Seems like they are publishing turbo speeds as they always have.
Moving forward, Intel has decided to stop disclosing information on its Turbo Boost Technology feature beyond single-core maximum frequencies.
Looking at the newest Coffee Lake CPUs on Intel's ARK page, all Turbo frequencies have been taken down besides the single-core maximum frequency.
Here's Intel's stance as provided to ExtremeTech:
[W]e’re no longer disclosing this level of detail as its proprietary to Intel. Intel only specifies processor frequencies for base and single-core Turbo in our processor marketing and technical collateral, such as ARK, and not the multi-core Turbo frequencies. We’re aligning communications to be consistent. All Turbo frequencies are opportunistic given their dependency on system configuration and workloads.
Official response aside, there is some speculation as to what the 'true' reasoning is in not publishing information that would be helpful to know if shopping for a new CPU.
What do you mean they don't publish turbo clocks anymore?
They do for the 8400:
https://ark.intel.com/products/126687/Intel-Core-i5-8400-Processor-9M-Cache-up-to-4_00-GHz
And all the other Coffe Lake cpu's as far as I can tell. Here's the 8600K:
https://ark.intel.com/products/126685/Intel-Core-i5-8600K-Processor-9M-Cache-up-to-4_30-GHz