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Originally posted by: smaky
Everyone has problems with pc. Its the nature of the beast. Between driver problems, windows problems (authentication stuffs too), steam, DRMs, internet connection and viruses ect.... there are tons of problems to be had with pcs.
DRM is just another one of many.
Its becoming unrealistic to expect non-enthusiast to bother with it all. Even if they go and buy a $5000 computer (like my brother did) its no picknick. He definately doesn't know much about computers. few months after me trying to help him out with all the problems he was having he stoped asking me for help and he gave up. Its sitting in his basement doing nothing.
He does have an xbox and playstion now to play games.
Originally posted by: TehMac
Originally posted by: smaky
Everyone has problems with pc. Its the nature of the beast. Between driver problems, windows problems (authentication stuffs too), steam, DRMs, internet connection and viruses ect.... there are tons of problems to be had with pcs.
DRM is just another one of many.
Its becoming unrealistic to expect non-enthusiast to bother with it all. Even if they go and buy a $5000 computer (like my brother did) its no picknick. He definately doesn't know much about computers. few months after me trying to help him out with all the problems he was having he stoped asking me for help and he gave up. Its sitting in his basement doing nothing.
He does have an xbox and playstion now to play games.
Your brother is a total retard.
Originally posted by: apoppin
what i don't understand
you guys cry and whine about lack of originality yet *none* of you support the indie games
Originally posted by: smaky
Everyone has problems with pc. Its the nature of the beast. Between driver problems, windows problems (authentication stuffs too), steam, DRMs, internet connection and viruses ect.... there are tons of problems to be had with pcs.
DRM is just another one of many.
Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: Oyeve
If PC games are dying ( IMO I dont think they are) its not due to piracy, drm or anything like that. Its because, IMO, consoles have gotten to a point where the graphics and horsepower are pretty damn good. I have been and will always be a PC gamer first and foremost, but I do own nextgen consoles also. Game developers will make console games first as that is where 85% of the $$$ is, then, if they choose to, make a port to the PC. Years ago PCs were king of the cpu/gpu and games hit the PC LONG before any console got it. Now its the other way around. PCs get (if we are lucky) the ports. I didnt mind ports when PS2 and Xbox were the latest and greatest consoles because ports to the PC looked and played much better. GTA:San Andreas, IMO, is a good example of a PC port that greatly benefitted on the PC. WS, higher res and all that jazz. But I bet we wont be seeing GTA4 anytime soon on the PC if at all. There are always the Indie companies that keep the PC king.
This is just wrong. Every platform is unique and there are 3 of them. Why does one compare all three to the PC? If you look at sales independent of this unfair grouping PC sales are better--across the board.
I disagree with the OP though, DRM is killing PC gaming. There isnt a single form of DRM that has not been cracked. However, there are many, many instances of DRM really messing with machines (mine recently died, starting with the optical drive that was running Witcher--*when* it would run). OP you think all these complaints are coming from a couple people? Honestly, if everyone that had a problem with some form of DRM refused to buy another game from the same publisher, those publishers would figure out how to fix this problem--quick.
Originally posted by: smaky
Now to the real reason pc games suck:
When Duke Nukem, Doom, Quake, Halflife, Operation Flashpoint and many other games first came out, they were revolutionary. New, ground breaking and exciting stuff!!!!!!!
Nowday all we get is OVERHYPED REDUX of old games. Those games I just mentioned I completely finished and played many times over. I have never finished Doom3, Halflife2 even tho they were great looking games with awsome controls. Did not finish or play more than 5 months of ArmA even tho I played operation flashpoint for 3 years.
i didn't mean - *you* ... i meant "you guys" - in generalOriginally posted by: skace
Originally posted by: apoppin
what i don't understand
you guys cry and whine about lack of originality yet *none* of you support the indie games
Hey, Hey. I talk about Dwarf Fortress, Mount and Blade, and all sorts of indie games that most here don't even want to touch. I have a character in the top 500 for nethack.
I bought Eschalon Book 1, Fate, Most of the Steam indie catalogue, a licensed copy of zMud, etc.
Originally posted by: apoppin
what i don't understand
you guys cry and whine about lack of originality yet *none* of you support the indie games
many great imaginative games still being produced ... but the graphics are still '99
[for the most part]
Play *them* ... support the great indie [and often free] games and we will have a PC gaming renaissance
Originally posted by: smaky
I wanted to reply to the other thread but was afraid I would only get flamed.
Here is my take on it:
I have played games with all the different securities. Fade, Securom, Starforce.
None have given me any problems at all. 12/2006 I have even gone and ordered several copies of ArmA from the Czech republic, knowing it came with Starforce, just so I can have it 6 months sooner. I have also bought an Atari (english) release of ArmA. (yeah I am a Flashpoint fanboy)
When I buy a game I dont' look at what security features it has. Yeah at first I was on the boycot bandwagon, but lately I could care less as long as I can play.
Now to the real reason pc games suck:
When Duke Nukem, Doom, Quake, Halflife, Operation Flashpoint and many other games first came out, they were revolutionary. New, ground breaking and exciting stuff!!!!!!!
Nowday all we get is OVERHYPED REDUX of old games. Those games I just mentioned I completely finished and played many times over. I have never finished Doom3, Halflife2 even tho they were great looking games with awsome controls. Did not finish or play more than 5 months of ArmA even tho I played operation flashpoint for 3 years.
Because there was none of the " oh wow I can pick up a piece of pipe and smash ....." or after playing a multiplayer mission in Flashpoint for the 1000th time I finaly get the rpg to hit the dam chopper, which was coming at us, and blows up on top of us killing us all. We all were just laughing non-stop. To this day we talk about it. Those kind of OH SIT moments dont' happen any more.
Why has this happened? Consumer is to blame! We buy into the marketing schemes of these big companies. They stick with what works. We should be going out there and looking for games that look interesting, new and exciting. Ones that may not get the massive advertising dollars but are willing to take a chance on a new idea for a game.
Call of Duty4!?!!?! what the blank?!?!?!
Its the same game just updated graphics. Its overhyped on all the markets out there. Thats why we buy it. Don't get me wrong, I am looking forward to buying CoD4 for pc but I don't expect anything new at all.
Anyone remember the game Mafia? It didnt' get much press. Not as much as "Godfather" which because of marketing was a great success. I played both and they are pretty much the same game Mafia maybe a little better.
Than came WoW. I played for 2 and half years. It was new and exciting to me. My first MMO. Got bored and looked for another MMO, but they are all similar. No completely new stuff. (currently I am playing Tabula Rasa, MMO with FPS pretty fun).
Piracy: It has always been there, always will be on the pc platform. Companies that make great games will get their money.
To summarize my random bables:
The DRM issue is not. Gamers need to look beyond the huge ads. Developers need to invent new stuff for the game market. Piracy is a non issue.
Spore is something I will definately try. I may not like it but its new stuff. Developer is realy pushing the boundaries on this one. They are taking a risk and I will reward them by taking a risk and buying their game.
Darkfall is another one that is ambitious. Will definately try it.
Whats another $50 to try and find the excitement I use to have when playing a game.