PC gaming is going down the tubes

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx

I have so many damn console games that I just don't have the time to play them all. I still play the shit out of madden 07 (best football game to date, even on PC) and NBA 2K9. Shooters are vastly superior on PC as well as racing games (Dirt and Dirt 2).

Fixed. Just because you can play them on your PC doesn't mean they are PC games.

Also guys, we can't go talking about old games as a means of revitilizing PC gaming. The decline of PC gaming is all in the new games. Walk into a Gamestop and head to the PC section, if your gamestop still has one. 90% of the games on the shelf aren't worth looking at, you've probably never even heard of them. There are a few big hits every year, and that's it. Most of the time the games people are talking about are MMO's, and they are a dime a dozen.

 

[Regs]

What tubes? I don't see any tubes.

 

[wanderer27]

Here's a list of 40+ games coming out by the end of November:

http://pc.gamespy.com/index/re...se_date&sort.order=asc


Granted, most of them are crap or extremely niche type games, but that's still a load of games for just over a month - and this doesn't even include Indie games.

I'd like to agree with you, because quite honestly I feel the same way, but the numbers say otherwise.

Maybe it's just that there's a lack of innovative or original games (too may rehashes), or they're just not the type of niche game you (or I) like.

For that matter, it might be because most of the good game companies got swallowed up by EA, Take Two, etc., and the likes.
I've lost count of how many good game developers have been bought up by these behemoths and have then effectively disappeared.

I think the real problem is that most of these giant developers are just too bloated and have too much overhead to maintain the small developers they acquire. Basically they've become your typical Corporation out to make a quick buck and don't really care about the product - kill (consume) the competition and maintain the status quo.

It doesn't help that they choose to churn out trash either (EA).

 

[wanderer27]

Originally posted by: photi
actually, likely the reverse is true. console gaming is doomed.

cloud computing is where the industry is heading. at some point, bandwidth will be a non-issue, and once all the logistics of cloud computing are worked out, whichever gaming interface we decide to use will be nothing more than a portal into an already up-and-running and spectacular gaming environment.

at that point, why would anyone want to buy a gaming console? a console has quite limited uses, whereas a PC has practically an unlimited number of uses. clearly the PC (or its successor) is how we will access those monster computers in the sky.

imagine Valve's biggest supercomputer driving the graphics behind the fully immersive 3-d world of HL5. that's gonna be sweet.

?

The most current Consoles already have Internet (and Wireless as well) connectivity.

Not everyone (myself in particular) cares to play online, so what's the draw here?
I see this as a huge opportunity of "phone home" type consumer spying as well as a load of possible security risks, but then that's just me.

Right now, Bandwidth is really starting to become an issue.
There a still a lot of places that don't really have adequate (high speed) Bandwidth.

To make matters worse, many major Internet providers (AT&T, Time Warner, etc.) are currently looking to do away with unlimited Internet and go to a usage level pricing model.
All this is due to the increased and projected usage of new services (VOIP, Video on demand, Steam and D2D to a smaller degree, etc.) - and this is without everyone even having high Bandwidth yet.

I don't see how this is going to work.

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: photi
actually, likely the reverse is true. console gaming is doomed.

cloud computing is where the industry is heading. at some point, bandwidth will be a non-issue, and once all the logistics of cloud computing are worked out, whichever gaming interface we decide to use will be nothing more than a portal into an already up-and-running and spectacular gaming environment.

at that point, why would anyone want to buy a gaming console? a console has quite limited uses, whereas a PC has practically an unlimited number of uses. clearly the PC (or its successor) is how we will access those monster computers in the sky.

imagine Valve's biggest supercomputer driving the graphics behind the fully immersive 3-d world of HL5. that's gonna be sweet.

Pipedream. Sounds awesome, but so did VR back in the 80's and look how that turned out, these things rarely pan out as theyre supposed to.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx

Originally posted by: Nebor

Are you kidding? I have so many great games piled up on Steam that I literally don't have time to play them. They just keep putting them on sale so I have to buy them! Good new PC games are coming out all the time. Just because they aren't sequels to big names doesn't mean that PC gaming is dying.

This

I have so many damn PC games (especially from steam) that I just don't have the time to play them all. I still play the shit out of madden 07 (best football game to date, even on PC)

I think you mean "ONLY on the PC and maybe PS2 " as Madden 07 was absolutely horrific on Xbox 360.

PC gaming is still alive and well. If I need to play on my TV, i'll bust out my HTPC to play old gamepad games or hook up my PS2 or GameCube.

I don't want to hash/rehash the PC vs. console argument, but I do tend to agree that PC gaming is dying or maybe more precisely, being pushed into niche markets such as MMOs. You can't even buy an NFL game for the PC now and you haven't been able to since Madden 08.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: photi
at that point, why would anyone want to buy a gaming console? a console has quite limited uses, whereas a PC has practically an unlimited number of uses. clearly the PC (or its successor) is how we will access those monster computers in the sky.

A PC has practically unlimited uses now vs. consoles, and yet people are buying consoles for gaming.

 

[Darklife]

Originally posted by: photi
actually, likely the reverse is true. console gaming is doomed.

cloud computing is where the industry is heading. at some point, bandwidth will be a non-issue, and once all the logistics of cloud computing are worked out, whichever gaming interface we decide to use will be nothing more than a portal into an already up-and-running and spectacular gaming environment.

at that point, why would anyone want to buy a gaming console? a console has quite limited uses, whereas a PC has practically an unlimited number of uses. clearly the PC (or its successor) is how we will access those monster computers in the sky.

imagine Valve's biggest supercomputer driving the graphics behind the fully immersive 3-d world of HL5. that's gonna be sweet.

And I'm guessing latency would also be a non-issue what with the instantenous connections of the future and such?

 

[Azeroth101]

A gaming platform such as PC will never be "Dead" it may die down for a bit in which case you play classic games that nobody will ever stop playing in the near future such as TF2, then as they realize no pc gamers are buying games, they make better ones, it has happened more than once in pc gaming history.

 

[Mike Gayner]

Originally posted by: Maximilian
blah blah....
Whats there to look forward to? If you dont count console ports there isnt much.
...blah blah blah

OK, I want to be clear about this, because some people here still aren't getting it. CROSS PLATFORM =/= CONSOLE PORT. Just because a title is on PS3, Xbox and PC doesn't make it a port. In fact, most of the good PC games coming out lately have been cross platform, and have been palpably superior on the PC platform.

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: Mike Gayner

Originally posted by: Maximilian
blah blah....
Whats there to look forward to? If you dont count console ports there isnt much.
...blah blah blah

OK, I want to be clear about this, because some people here still aren't getting it. CROSS PLATFORM =/= CONSOLE PORT. Just because a title is on PS3, Xbox and PC doesn't make it a port. In fact, most of the good PC games coming out lately have been cross platform, and have been palpably superior on the PC platform.

Well at least the laughably naive fanboys of PC gaming are still around :laugh:

You keep telling yourself that gaynor, its not a console port its cross platform, just ignore the shitty controls and crummy performance, whatever helps you sleep at night :roll:

 

[BladeVenom]

Originally posted by: Maximilian
This whole thing dosent bother me as much as some since i have an xbox

You're part of the problem then. MS has stabbed PC gamers in the back. Supporting the Xbox is shooting PC gaming in the foot.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: Maximilian
Well at least the laughably naive fanboys of PC gaming are still around :laugh:

You keep telling yourself that gaynor, its not a console port its cross platform, just ignore the shitty controls and crummy performance, whatever helps you sleep at night :roll:

Like the shitty controls and crummy performance of Mass Effect? Oh wait... maybe you meant CoD:MW? No, that doesn't work either. You must be talking about F.E.A.R.2.... oops, nope, that game was another excellent cross-platform shooter. I suppose you meant Bioshock... nope, wrong again. GTAIV? No. Half Life 2? No. Oblivion? No. Team Fortress 2? No. Fallout 3? No. Arkham Asylum? No. GRiD? Nope. Rainbow Six Vegas? Nein. GRAW2? Nei. Far Cry 2? Nup.

But yeah, it's so tough to find good cross-platform games :roll:

PC gamers continue to lament the falling sky while we continue to receive several 90%+ titles a year. It gets boring.

 

[JoshGuru7]

Originally posted by: Maximilian
I dunno where to begin here... ME2 i assume is mass effect 2? Well thats a console port right there itll be designed with consoles in mind, same with bioshock 2, SW:ToR is an MMO, which we already have boatloads of and are pointless because none of them are half as good as WoW and usually end up only catering to some niche type of gamer.

It sounds like what you are saying is that you aren't enjoying PC gaming very much personally. You might think the games I play suck, but the fact that there are people out there like me is the counter to your argument regardless of you feel individually. I'm a PC gamer and a console gamer and I still have lots of fun with PC games.

Originally posted by: Maximilian
is this it? PC gamers are down to citing niche games, console ports...

As a gamer, I mentioned that 4 of the last 5 games I had played had been for the PC. That's irrelevant when discussing how you feel about PC games, but extremely relevant when you are talking about the state of the PC gaming industry at large.

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: Maximilian
Well at least the laughably naive fanboys of PC gaming are still around :laugh:

You keep telling yourself that gaynor, its not a console port its cross platform, just ignore the shitty controls and crummy performance, whatever helps you sleep at night :roll:

Like the shitty controls and crummy performance of Mass Effect? Oh wait... maybe you meant CoD:MW? No, that doesn't work either. You must be talking about F.E.A.R.2.... oops, nope, that game was another excellent cross-platform shooter. I suppose you meant Bioshock... nope, wrong again. GTAIV? No. Half Life 2? No. Oblivion? No. Team Fortress 2? No. Fallout 3? No. Arkham Asylum? No. GRiD? Nope. Rainbow Six Vegas? Nein. GRAW2? Nei. Far Cry 2? Nup.

But yeah, it's so tough to find good cross-platform games :roll:

PC gamers continue to lament the falling sky while we continue to receive several 90%+ titles a year. It gets boring.

Bingo.

 

[gorcorps]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: Maximilian
Well at least the laughably naive fanboys of PC gaming are still around :laugh:

You keep telling yourself that gaynor, its not a console port its cross platform, just ignore the shitty controls and crummy performance, whatever helps you sleep at night :roll:

Like the shitty controls and crummy performance of Mass Effect? Oh wait... maybe you meant CoD:MW? No, that doesn't work either. You must be talking about F.E.A.R.2.... oops, nope, that game was another excellent cross-platform shooter. I suppose you meant Bioshock... nope, wrong again. GTAIV? No. Half Life 2? No. Oblivion? No. Team Fortress 2? No. Fallout 3? No. Arkham Asylum? No. GRiD? Nope. Rainbow Six Vegas? Nein. GRAW2? Nei. Far Cry 2? Nup.

But yeah, it's so tough to find good cross-platform games :roll:

PC gamers continue to lament the falling sky while we continue to receive several 90%+ titles a year. It gets boring.

Ew... I was following until R6: Vegas. That was a really poor port IMO as it ran like shit on anything but the top of the line PCs of that time. Oblivion was pretty consolized too and took quite a bit of modding to get to where it should have been on the PC.

 

[Darklife]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: Maximilian
Well at least the laughably naive fanboys of PC gaming are still around :laugh:

You keep telling yourself that gaynor, its not a console port its cross platform, just ignore the shitty controls and crummy performance, whatever helps you sleep at night :roll:

Like the shitty controls and crummy performance of Mass Effect? Oh wait... maybe you meant CoD:MW? No, that doesn't work either. You must be talking about F.E.A.R.2.... oops, nope, that game was another excellent cross-platform shooter. I suppose you meant Bioshock... nope, wrong again. GTAIV? No. Half Life 2? No. Oblivion? No. Team Fortress 2? No. Fallout 3? No. Arkham Asylum? No. GRiD? Nope. Rainbow Six Vegas? Nein. GRAW2? Nei. Far Cry 2? Nup.

But yeah, it's so tough to find good cross-platform games :roll:

PC gamers continue to lament the falling sky while we continue to receive several 90%+ titles a year. It gets boring.

You sir are at least partially full of shit. GTA IV was famous for its shit performance, the many threads on here are a testament to that. Half Life 2 couldn't be any more out of place on that list of yours. It was released for the xbox over a year later after the PC version, so that argument doesn't stand.

Perhaps I'm spoiled but some of the AA titles you listed did everything but entertain me. Oblivion was dumbed down to infinity as was Fallout and Far Cry 2 got boring after 2 hours. The truth is that we get a lot of games, but only some are worth mentioning. The other are just average.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: Maximilian
Well at least the laughably naive fanboys of PC gaming are still around :laugh:

You keep telling yourself that gaynor, its not a console port its cross platform, just ignore the shitty controls and crummy performance, whatever helps you sleep at night :roll:

Like the shitty controls and crummy performance of Mass Effect? Oh wait... maybe you meant CoD:MW? No, that doesn't work either. You must be talking about F.E.A.R.2.... oops, nope, that game was another excellent cross-platform shooter. I suppose you meant Bioshock... nope, wrong again. GTAIV? No. Half Life 2? No. Oblivion? No. Team Fortress 2? No. Fallout 3? No. Arkham Asylum? No. GRiD? Nope. Rainbow Six Vegas? Nein. GRAW2? Nei. Far Cry 2? Nup.

But yeah, it's so tough to find good cross-platform games :roll:

PC gamers continue to lament the falling sky while we continue to receive several 90%+ titles a year. It gets boring.

That isn't really a cross platform game. The xbox port was horrible and sometimes unplayable due to the frame rate drops. Then it was ported to the Xbox 360 and PS3 but that came out years later than the original release.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: Darklife
You sir are at least partially full of shit. GTA IV was famous for its shit performance, the many threads on here are a testament to that. Half Life 2 couldn't be any more out of place on that list of yours. It was released for the xbox over a year later after the PC version, so that argument doesn't stand.

Perhaps I'm spoiled but some of the AA titles you listed did everything but entertain me. Oblivion was dumbed down to infinity as was Fallout and Far Cry 2 got boring after 2 hours. The truth is that we get a lot of games, but only some are worth mentioning. The other are just average.

Sounds to me like you'll never be please. Whatever, you go play on your kiddie box wired to the TV, I'll continue playing the PC games I love. The idea that PC gaming is dead is just plain wrong - it's not thriving like the hey days of the mid-late 90's and early 00's but it's alive and well and I'm enjoying every minute of it.

 

[Darklife]

Acually one doesn't even have to own a console( which I don't) to see a certain downwards trend. It's been some time since we've been treated to a PC only, graphically eyepopping release. Seems as if Crysis Warhead was the last call.

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: Darklife

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: Maximilian
Well at least the laughably naive fanboys of PC gaming are still around :laugh:

You keep telling yourself that gaynor, its not a console port its cross platform, just ignore the shitty controls and crummy performance, whatever helps you sleep at night :roll:

Like the shitty controls and crummy performance of Mass Effect? Oh wait... maybe you meant CoD:MW? No, that doesn't work either. You must be talking about F.E.A.R.2.... oops, nope, that game was another excellent cross-platform shooter. I suppose you meant Bioshock... nope, wrong again. GTAIV? No. Half Life 2? No. Oblivion? No. Team Fortress 2? No. Fallout 3? No. Arkham Asylum? No. GRiD? Nope. Rainbow Six Vegas? Nein. GRAW2? Nei. Far Cry 2? Nup.

But yeah, it's so tough to find good cross-platform games :roll:

PC gamers continue to lament the falling sky while we continue to receive several 90%+ titles a year. It gets boring.

You sir are at least partially full of shit. GTA IV was famous for its shit performance, the many threads on here are a testament to that. Half Life 2 couldn't be any more out of place on that list of yours. It was released for the xbox over a year later after the PC version, so that argument doesn't stand.

Perhaps I'm spoiled but some of the AA titles you listed did everything but entertain me. Oblivion was dumbed down to infinity as was Fallout and Far Cry 2 got boring after 2 hours. The truth is that we get a lot of games, but only some are worth mentioning. The other are just average.

:thumbsup:

Also if PC gaming was doing well nobody would be citing 4-5 year old games for proof.

 

[TridenT]

Great, so now that you've said this... You can stop saying it because we don't need any threads on this.

Where is Kieth and the lock hammer?

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: TridenT
Great, so now that you've said this... You can stop saying it because we don't need any threads on this.

Where is Kieth and the lock hammer?

Dont like it dont read it.

 

[Mike Gayner]

Originally posted by: Maximilian
Also if PC gaming was doing well nobody would be citing 4-5 year old games for proof.

Dude, you're obviously just a trolling console boy, so fuck off TBH. The thing about console douchenozzles is that they fail to cite any reason why a console is better than the PC. PC gamers are super pissed because MW2 broke the mold by giving us the same heaping helping of horse shit console gamers lap up in every title. PC gamers wont stand for that shit, hence the mass of cancelled pre orders.

PC gaming is not dying, and in fact I am predicting a resurgence in 2010 as the needs of developers start exceeding the hardware available on consoles.

 

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: Maximilian

Originally posted by: TridenT
Great, so now that you've said this... You can stop saying it because we don't need any threads on this.

Where is Kieth and the lock hammer?

Dont like it dont read it.

I didn't read it. I just saw it in the damn PC gaming forum and wanted to post that this thread should DIAF. OP needs to be ban hammered for trolling.