[PCGamer, Gamepur] Batman Arkham Knight System Requirements, May Receive DX12 Patch

[skipsneeky2]

It's still UE3-based.

Is it sort of like COD games where those games use what is essentially the same engine for years but the system requirements keep on climbing while it looks just about the same?

Arkham Origins recommends a 8800gts which is about right,great card back in the day when i was running Bioshock and UT3 which where some of the first UE3 games but suddenly a gtx660 is bare minimal for the same engine?Textures must be beyond amazing.

I ran Arkham Origins on a 1gb gtx650,had to lower some settings but it played amazing.Arkham Origins recommended is lower then this games minimum.

 

[Techhog]

Is it sort of like COD games where those games use what is essentially the same engine for years but the system requirements keep on climbing while it looks just about the same?

Arkham Origins recommends a 8800gts which is about right,great card back in the day when i was running Bioshock and UT3 which where some of the first UE3 games but suddenly a gtx660 is bare minimal for the same engine?Textures must be beyond amazing.

I ran Arkham Origins on a 1gb gtx650,had to lower some settings but it played amazing.Arkham Origins recommended is lower then this games minimum.

To be fair, this game does look significantly better than Origins, ad it's the first (and I guess only) game in the series to take full advantage of DX11. Also keep in mind that Origins has a different developer and was basically a poorly done copy-paste of City working DX11 and broken everything else.

 

[krumme]

First they'll optimize for both consoles because 80% of unit sales will be on the consoles. Then they'll sign a marketing agreement with NV to promote GW, take $$$ for that, and accept closed-sourced proprietary GW's code that NV alters as it sees best to fit its agenda to get gamers to upgrade their GPUs from older GTX200, Fermi and Kepler series. As a result, the developer wins no matter what. Since NV provides and has full ownership of the entire GW's code, the developer can't do anything at all to ensure the game can run maxed out on a GTX680 instead of on a 980. NV has full control over the all the optimizations. Naturally AMD doesn't have access to any of the code related to the facial shader (Facial Works) or lighting effects (Volumetric Lights) and environmental effects (Rain Effects) in the game since the source code for all of these is made and provided by NV.

For the last Batman game, NV threw everything and the kitchen sink under GW's banner: tessellation, PhysX, HBAO+, PCSS+, NVDOF (that's right Nvidia "Depth of Field" ), TXAA, etc.

As far as I am concerned, Batman AK series games might as well be called Nvidia's Batman AK series. From day 1 the developer ONLY works with NV.

I remember for one of the AK games, HD7000 performance increased more than 50% with new drivers months after release.

Does that cape look like it's made of millions of triangles? But it is!

Luckily for us, the Batman AK series has not been demanding on GPUs and has generally ran really well on all hardware since the graphics in those games are usually average, which meant that a mid-range GPU could handle those games easily.

Batman series shows the worst side of nv. While amd invents hsa and dx12/mantle nv uses their competence to create concrete walls with gazilions of triangles and entire hidden worlds. Nothing visible to the gamer except owerblown sytem demands vs benefit, hindering competition and taking money from gamers. What a sad waste of talent and a damn shame for all of us.
Imagine what would happen if nv used their competence for the benefit of gamers instead of the oposite.

 

[ocre]

It's still UE3-based.



This is a console port. I have no doubt that all of these requirements have a 30FPS target. Thus, I'll have to choose between PhysX + High-to-Ultra settings + 30FPS, PhysX + medium settings + 60FPS, or PhysX off + 60FPS. Really making me question my choices and if I should have just bought a PS4 instead. Better than the mid-low settings my 7950 would have had to deal with due to GameWorks I guess. (No idea why anyone thinks that the tiny effects in GameWorks justify how anti-competitive it is.)

What games have you tried physX on so far?
I was able to play Batman-Origins and Batman AC with physx on with single upper mid GPUs. I remember struggling the most on Batman AA.

Let me think back, after selling my entire PC with the 5850 i have only had nvidia cards in my main gaming rig. So i think i was trying to run batman AA with a gtx 260 216 or maybe it was the gtx 460?

Anyway, it was very hard on my GPU. PhysX on high was just too demanding for most of the game.

I think i had the gtx 560ti 448core for AC. I know i ran that card overclocked (880mhz ???). PhysX high was playable but not at a steady 60fps. This wasnt a game that needed 60fps to be smooth anyway. there were a few scenes that where really demanding and would need medium but for the most part it was a major major improvement.

Lastly, batman origins. i played it with the gtx 760. I played it with physX on high and it worked fine. I also was able to play Borderlands 2 with physx on high as well.

Throughout the years physx has become easier to run. I have been able to run physX with overclocked upper mid ranged GPUs. The last few titles havent been too crippling, the situation has improved a lot.

So i guess I was asking, what physX games have you tried with your 970 so far?
I would imagine that most of the games released so far should work really well with physx on a 970.
As for games yet to be released, well that remains to be seen

Troughout the

 

[Deders]

Let me think back, after selling my entire PC with the 5850 i have only had nvidia cards in my main gaming rig. So i think i was trying to run batman AA with a gtx 260 216 or maybe it was the gtx 460?

Anyway, it was very hard on my GPU. PhysX on high was just too demanding for most of the game.

It would have been the 260. Before Fermi it took 5 times as long to switch between GPU commands and PhysX commands which is why the best setup for the time would have been dual GPU with SLI disabled. The 460 would have smashed it.

 

[Red Hawk]

Obviously this game isn't using UE3.I haven't kept up much with this title but what engine is this thing using anyways?UE4?

Hoping we get pass UE3 now,damn engine is nearly 8 years old.

Reportedly Arkham Knight is still running on UE3, which is pretty lame. Though I do wonder just how different UE4 and the latest version of UE3 really are.

 

[el etro]

I do my part as a radeon user and don't buy their games.

Me too. Don't even want to play it.

 

[NTMBK]

Reportedly Arkham Knight is still running on UE3, which is pretty lame. Though I do wonder just how different UE4 and the latest version of UE3 really are.

That's probably true in the sense that Half Life 2 still had some Quake 1 engine code in there somewhere... They have full source access, and have probably torn apart and rebuilt big chunks of the engine by this point.

 

[Makaveli]

It's a given that this will be the next 900-series gift.

Looks like another game I can't max out. Remind me why I shouldn't upgrade to an i7 again? I bought this 970 so I could play this game with PhysX, but it looks like I'll have to keep it off anyway. I regret my purchase now. I really should have waited. Oh well.

seriously 980 as the ultra requirement? i just bought a 970....

Isn't he 980 only like 15% faster than the 970 just overclock your cards...

 

[Techhog]

Isn't he 980 only like 15% faster than the 970 just overclock your cards...

That works... unless VRAM usage goes above 3.5GB and the target for the requirements is 30FPS.

 

[BHZ-GTR]

Guys , Why This is Game (Batman Arkham Knight) Need To 8 GB Memory System .

 

[Makaveli]

How long did it take before we could have 60 fps with everything maxed out in Crysis 3? It just happened last month with a $1000 GPU!

The funny thing about that its still only at 1080p.

Me too. Don't even want to play it.

You are both missing out on solid games.

I went Hybrid AMd/Nv so I could use Physx in batman and borderlands was worth it to me.

 

[Deders]

Guys , Why This is Game (Batman Arkham Knight) Need To 8 GB Memory System .

Since the latest generation of consoles came out with 8GB shared ram, it has meant that cross platform games no longer need to be designed with the old ram limitations.

Having 64bit helps too as with 32bit games needed to fit in to the 2GB app address space.

 

[xthetenth]

You are both missing our on solid games.

I went Hybrid AMd/Nv so I could use Physx in batman and borderlands was worth it to me.

There isn't really a short supply of solid games. I can easily do without a game involving practices I'm not comfortable with (and I'm running an nv card).

 

[BlockheadBrown]

I wonder how an i5 Alienware Alpha would handle this. Any thoughts?

 

[Makaveli]

There isn't really a short supply of solid games. I can easily do without a game involving practices I'm not comfortable with (and I'm running an nv card).

That is true but this thread is about Batman not other games.

 

[xthetenth]

That is true but this thread is about Batman not other games.

So's that post. GW is scummy and underhanded, Batman's tied at the hip to it, and it's pretty easy not to reward that behavior with money.

 

[Deders]

So's that post. GW is scummy and underhanded, Batman's tied at the hip to it, and it's pretty easy not to reward that behavior with money.

Neither Arkham Asylum or City were gameworks.

 

[xthetenth]

Neither Arkham Asylum or City were gameworks.

And I own those. Knight on the other hand is likely to have things like that magical cloak of polygon saturation.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Well, in theory, I suppose boycotting those games is the moral high ground. Personally I dont claim to know enough about what goes on behind the scenes to make that decision. In the end it may be counterproductive anyway, because if PC sales of AAA games decrease, it will give devs even less motivation to make good PC ports. Boycotting gameworks games may not lead to more games made by "ethical" devs, but simply less games made at all.

 

[xthetenth]

Well, in theory, I suppose boycotting those games is the moral high ground. Personally I dont claim to know enough about what goes on behind the scenes to make that decision. In the end it may be counterproductive anyway, because if PC sales of AAA games decrease, it will give devs even less motivation to make good PC ports. Boycotting gameworks games may not lead to more games made by "ethical" devs, but simply less games made at all.

I'd be choosing the batman games over something else, I just buy those instead. I shudder at the cost of buying every single good game out there.

 

[Makaveli]

So's that post. GW is scummy and underhanded, Batman's tied at the hip to it, and it's pretty easy not to reward that behavior with money.

So's what post?

And if you don't like the Batman games why are you even posting in this thread??

Back on topic I wonder what kinda gains we may see out of this with a Dx12 patch.

I haven't played the origins yet but in the other two games I found performance was good. I however only played the GOTY editions so most things were patched and drivers updated by the time I got to them.

 

[ocre]

That works... unless VRAM usage goes above 3.5GB and the target for the requirements is 30FPS.

Techhog, I dont want to bring this thread down the wrong road but it seems you are just trying to find things to complain about.

I went from a gtx760 to a 970 last year. I decided to build my son a PC and gave him the 760. Watchdogs was out then and i wanted a 4gb card. The 970 was one, I thought.

Anyway, after the huge blow up on the forums, I was sure that the segmented ram was causing me issues. See, i fell in love with DSR but was having trouble with high DSR. I could slowly raise it and all of a sudden, stutters. I used to think that was because the resolution was too demanding but after the 970 ram conspiracy, i thought it actually could have been the ram at play. Well at least, i was sure it had to be contributing.

So i take my card back for a refund and best buy tells me my only option is an in store exchange (it had been months since my original purchase). I told them i just wanted the 4gb i paid for. I went to 3 best buys and the only option was a gtx 980. Not only that, but it was a pricey gtx 980. As for AMD cards, none of the stores carried anything higher than a amd 270. Not even 280s. Only one store had a 270, most of them had 260s and 4770/5770s, etc. Junk cards in my option.

I just wanted to play dragon age inquisition, AC Unity, etc. I reluctantly ended up buying the 980. Took the refund, applied my rewards i had built up and bought the 980 with its full 4gb ram.

So long story short, I tried the same settings on the 980 that would stutter on my 970, guess what? Stutters were not gone. Those settings were just too high, too demanding.
I couldnt get away with higher DSR, actually the settings that made my 970 tank were completely unpleasant on the 980 as well.

So in the end, I was surprised by how fast my overclocked 970 was. that 10-15% faster a 980 is on the charts.....it is so much smaller in the real world. You cannot tell the difference without a benchmark score or a fps counter. And my 1500mhz 970 performance and experience is almost identical to the 980. I now overclock my 980 to 1450mhz just so i can tell myself it was an upgrade.

When reviewers are saying this issue isnt really an issue, they arent lying. The settings that kill a 970, they arent enjoyable on a 980 either. I am telling you, i had both cards. I had the 970 for months and have a massive game library. I loved DSR and used the highest settings. I have first hand experience. I can tell you, if you force settings that bring the 980 to a crawl, the 970 will probably struggle worse. But, if i secretly replaced someones 980 with an overclocked 970, they wouldnt be able to tell the difference.

This really isnt the thread to be bringing all this up in. I am just saying, i really dont think you have a lot of reason to complain about not being able to use physX and 970 ram issues in a game that hasnt even launched yet.

 

[Makaveli]

So in the end, I was surprised by how fast my overclocked 970 was. that 10-15% faster a 980 is on the charts.....it is so much smaller in the real world. You cannot tell the difference without a benchmark score or a fps counter. And my 1500mhz 970 performance and experience is almost identical to the 980. I now overclock my 980 to 1450mhz just so i can tell myself it was an upgrade.

Great post and just wanted to highlight this part.

Far too many people on these forums and the internet get way to obsessed with these percentages. In the real world you are talking about 3,5,7 or 10fps in alot of games. And the playable experience matters more than some numbers on the benchmark charts.

 

[xthetenth]

So's what post?

And if you don't like the Batman games why are you even posting in this thread??

The previous post I made on the subject of Gameworks and batman. And I do like the Batman games I've played. I'm posting in the thread because of that and because the subject of Gameworks came up, and it's a shame that it's on games I would otherwise play and enjoy.