PGHW now with 19gpus. Oh god look at classic titan. you really want to argue nvidia is not gimping their kepler cards? they dont give a damn about their "last gen" anymore...and people praise them for their "long driver support"
GTX960 faster than GTX780
LOL
280, 280X is also being beaten by 285 and down with the 770. Not surprising when games get more advanced and the old uarchs tanks in their shortcomings. GCN 1.0 is just as poor as Kepler.
No, the 780 tank is worse. When the 285 launched it was competitive with the 280 and 280X, sometimes besting them in a couple of scenarios. The 780 just gets destroyed now.
You obviously forget the GTX770 as well. And that the GTX780 non TI never was a fast card.
PGHW now with 19gpus. Oh god look at classic titan. you really want to argue nvidia is not gimping their kepler cards? they dont give a damn about their "last gen" anymore...and people praise them for their "long driver support"
Its not the only weak point.
Any idea what AA they used in the benchmark? Don't say it is Ubersampling.
Judging by that. GTX780 should still be faster than the 960 and a 280X. How does Tahiti that was launched three and a half years ago, is as fast as nvidia's flagship from 18months later?
Kepler is being badly neglected and even 1st gen GCN is slowly pulling away from Kepler cards in newer games.
It's pretty ridiculous. The lifespan of Nvidia cards is shocking.
Indeed, that is terrible for Titan.
Not just neglect, this is neutering. Titan & 780Ti (with a strong OC) is simply a lot faster than 960 in every other non-NV sponsored game. This kind of stunt only happens when NV get their hands onto the developers and inject their GameWorks blackbox into the game's code.
It's weird, 770 -> 780 performance difference is so small while 780 -> 780Ti is really big difference. 780 -> 780Ti ain't even have that much difference in CUDA core count (25% more than 780) vs 770 -> 780 (50% more than 770)
in GTA5 GTX970 was way faster than 780TI
AMD also don't focus on the old VLIW design. They are both focusing on the newest base GPU-arch ... Maxwell and GCN.It can't be a simple case of resource management, because NV isn't lacking in $.. its something people would expect from AMD, but to abandon Kepler so soon.
Well AMD provides some useful data for Kepler optimization. If you want to know what optimization solutions are fits for Kepler, just ask AMD. They not advertising it, but they will help. In this case the devs can make some optimization decisions not just for Maxwell and GCN, but for Kepler also. Nvidia now don't really care about Kepler. There is Maxwell and it's time to buy a new card.The strange thing is this kind of result ONLY happen in NV GameWorks sponsored games. In neutral games, the 780Ti still reign at the top, as fast or faster than 970 and way faster than the 960.
So why are these the recommendations for the game then?
Minimum System Requirements
CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz or AMD Phenom II X4 940
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660
RAM: 6GB
OS: 64-bit Windows 7 or 64-bit Windows 8 (8.1)
HDD Space: 40 GB
DirectX 11
Recommended System Requirements
CPU: Intel Core i7 3770 3.4 GHz or AMD AMD FX-8350 4.0 GHz
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770
RAM: 8GB
OS: 64-bit Windows 7 or 64-bit Windows 8 (8.1)
HDD Space: 40 GB
DirectX 11
http://www.geforce.com/games-applications/pc-games/the-witcher-3-wild-hunt/system-requirements
I never even considered a GTX 970 because if I remember correctly around launch it wasn't THAT much faster than a GTX 780. Look at that chart now the GTX 970 is almost doubling the average FPS of a GTX 780.How do you actually believe NVIDIA would convince anyone with GTX780/Ti to upgrade to GTX970/980 ???
Except of the lower power usage, actual average performance would be 5-10% if games/drivers wouldnt be neutered, hardly acceptable for anyone to upgrade.
AMD also don't focus on the old VLIW design. They are both focusing on the newest base GPU-arch ... Maxwell and GCN.
Well AMD provides some useful data for Kepler optimization. If you want to know what optimization solutions are fits for Kepler, just ask AMD. They not advertising it, but they will help. In this case the devs can make some optimization decisions not just for Maxwell and GCN, but for Kepler also. Nvidia now don't really care about Kepler. There is Maxwell and it's time to buy a new card.
This is important because Maxwell and GCN are not radically different, but Kepler is. It need some special care because it don't have enough registers to feed all CUDA cores, and also one SMX has four schedulers and each sheduler can handle 32 threads. From this you can get only 128 threads in an SMX, so only 128 CUDA core can be used. It will need some optimization to find some independent instructions in order to utilize all the 192 CUDA cores. So in the end Kepler need some special optimization and the driver have to use a very good register allocation strategy to utilize all CUDA cores. Nvidia don't care now, and this is why Kepler is bad in some TWIMTBP title.
I never even considered a GTX 970 because if I remember correctly around launch it wasn't THAT much faster than a GTX 780. Look at that chart now the GTX 970 is almost doubling the average FPS of a GTX 780.
I actually went back to around the launch review from TPU and got their performance summary chart.Its just a matter of games and/or settings.
I actually went back to around the launch review from TPU and got their performance summary chart.
On average the gap was not that large.